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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:02 PM
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East Haven Cop Shoots Dog In Front Of Children
Written by Betsy Yagla
Tuesday, 06 July 2010 12:00
Police say "it's just a dog."

It was an idyllic afternoon in this quiet East Haven neighborhood. At Michael Dadio’s house on George Street, his girlfriend’s kids played in the back yard while his dad mowed the lawn.

Then the cops showed up.

They killed the family dog, tasered Michael Dadio Sr. and then arrested him — all because he didn’t show up to court on DUI charges. (Dadio Sr. was not available for comment.)

This overreaction by two East Haven police officers — in front of children — has upset neighbors on a street where many families own dogs.

“The way this happened was totally reckless,” says Dadio Jr. He says he went to the police to complain and was told, “It’s just a dog.”

The shooting happened in May while the Department of Justice (DOJ) was investigating EHPD on complaints of racial profiling of Latinos. The DOJ’s final report is expected sometime in July.

The sergeant who killed the dog was the same one who signed off on the highly controversial arrest of a priest last year, which ignited national news coverage of complaints from area Latinos and the subsequent DOJ investigation.

http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/featured-news/east-haven-cop-shoots-dog-in-front-of-children-10

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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:06 PM
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1. I am so fucking sick of stories like this.
K & R.

I know there are good cops who give their lives. My father was an armed LEO until he retired. I also know there are cops who just really, really get off on using their guns and their tazers and getting away it. After the whole Oakland bullshit, I am really REALLY not wanting to hear excuses.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:52 AM
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45. off topic question
or maybe not
your father was LEO?
from what you write i surmise he is retired or passed
may i ask you the question i almost always ask retired police?
"did you see yourself as a peace officer keeping the peace or as a law enforcer?"
most of the police i grew up around are all retired or passed now and were a fine group of people who were dedicated to our city and its safety
when i would see these old guys and ask them that question i almost always heard peace keeper
i think too many now see themselves as "judge Dredd" and sadly they can change lives in seconds
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:12 AM
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68. He is a retired park ranger.
He's a lefty and a nature freak - and went to the wall to get park rangers included in the FOP in the late 80s because he believed that much in unions.

National Park Rangers Branch of the FOP - that whole national branch used to be just him, run out of our little house in SW VA. He was interviewed on CBS News once, about the border issues after a young ranger was killed in Organ Pipe National Monument in 2002.


He never wanted to be Judge Dredd, he just wanted it acknowleged that as a park ranger he wore Kevlar and carried a gun every day cause he had to. (He worked on the Blue Ridge Parkway and it was full of gun and drug runners.)In rural areas with no police force as such, people like him ARE the law.

He pulled a lot of what was left of local boys out of flaming wrecks on the BRP over the years, which was why he freaked out so much about me dating. In 40 years on the job in various locations, he never once shot a dog. (But he was an extra in a Lassie movie once!)



I am not a LEO myself, but I know that my dad, a pretty hardcore socialist, pretty much always saw his mission as protecting the weak (wildlife, animals, wild plants, natural beauty) from the strong (drunken rednecks who shoot deer out of season for fun,and the neighbors' pets if they can't find a wild animal).

I remember how hard he wept when one of our dogs got hit by a car when I was a child. Total accident and the driver stopped and kept apologizing and we never blamed him. It's still a long-lingering memory.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:07 PM
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2. ........




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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:12 PM
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3. You know... they'd have to shoot me too, if I witnessed that...
Because I would not be able to control myself. Those poor kids will never forget this. This kind of cruel abuse of authority has to end.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:13 PM
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4. Dangerous criminal runs from police, dangerous dog killed to protect police
He totally brought it upon himself.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:17 PM
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5. Yes, I read the whole article.
The owner of the dog was not the "criminal" in question - it was his FATHER who had the alleged DUI (I say "alleged" because he was not convicted - that's how it works, y'know).

The ONLY person who has said that either the suspect ran or that the dog was dangerous was Sgt Miller himself...who has a vested interest in perpetrating that version of events. Other witnesses say differently.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:37 PM
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15. Talk about vested interests "Dadio is planning on filing a lawsuit"
Did you read the whole article?
"Dadio(The Son) admits that his dad ran from the cops".

Good thing he wasn't being chased for the DUI, but for refusing to show up to court.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:49 PM
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17. I would too if it were my dog killed
and my kids who were traumatized, over someone ELSE's crime.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:12 PM
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26. Probably better to get upset with your drunk driving fugitive from justice father
Instead of the public servants doing exactly what they are supposed to do.

I guess there is no payday in that thou.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:23 PM
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30. Was he drunk driving at that moment?
No. Did he have a weapon? No. Was he an immediate physical danger to anyone? No. Lethal force was in no way called for in that moment.

I do not think "public servants" are supposed to shoot family pets in front of children, regardless of what other members of that family may or may not have done. A teacher would be rightfully fired if s/he hit a child - the lasting deep-seated trauma of what this cop did is far worse.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:34 PM
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34. Did he have warrants at the moment? Yes
None of the things you listed are required for pursuing someone who has warrants. Lethal force wasn't used on him.

Public servants are supposed to chase people with warrants. If they try to hide behind their relatives dangerous dog than they are justified shooting the dog to protect themselves.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:55 PM
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39. This is a circular argument.
The article presents no evidence whatsoever that the dog was dangerous except the officer's say-so. That's not good enough for me.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:57 AM
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48. It's a DUI not armed robbery... jeez.
If your a cop and you want to avoid getting shot while on duty here is a helpful hint don't shoot dogs in front of children.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:21 AM
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53. Drunk Drivers cause over 10,000 deaths a year
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 01:22 AM by Taitertots
Here is a helpful hint, if you don't want to die in jail, don't shoot police officers. Stopping them from shooting a dog will not be a good defense.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:25 AM
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54. Not on foot... I would have no problem having a neighbor who had been convicted of DUI...
I certainly wouldn't want a neighbor that had a criminal record like property crimes or assault.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:32 AM
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57. Your response is non sequitur and irrelevant
More than 10,000 people die every year because of drunk assholes. They are serious criminals.

Whether or not you want one as a neighbor is totally irrelevant.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:37 AM
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61. But they are only a danger when they are A. drunk and B driving.
THe perp was doing neither... and he wasn't being arrested for drunk driving he missed a court date a heinous crime even yours truly has managed.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:05 AM
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63. Which is why they didn't shoot him, they just brought him to face justice for his crimes n/t
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:41 PM
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80. Wait until you get the shakedown from one of your local police
your attitude will change quick.

the abuse is everywhere across the country, cops going nuts because they think they can get away with it and our judicial system sending them the message that they indeed can. It doesn't matter what kind of criminal activity is or is not happening at the moment, WHEN A COP ABUSES HIS POWER AND IS UNNECESSARILY VIOLENT, IT IS WRONG. I'm so sick of hearing excuses about how the person who's civil rights were trampled or who was murdered in cool blood was "just a criminal' and because of this their civil rights don't matter and the cop is given a blank check to act like a fucking monster. FUCK THAT SHIT. THE COPS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE GOOD GUYS, THEY NEED TO FUCKING ACT LIKE IT!!!!!! It is the Cops responsibility to put the safety of their community first, that means the safety of individuals in that community -EVEN THE ONES BREAKING THE LAW. IF THEY CAN'T HANDLE IT, THEY NEED TO BE FIRED -EVERY ROTTEN LAST ONE OF THEM.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #30
90. Never mind arguing with Taiter. A cop could shoot
a baby on live tv before millions, and Taiter would yammer on about how the baby must have provoked it and the cop must feel terrible and should get a medal.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:15 PM
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97. The officers could have picked a safer venue to arrest the guy
Shooting a dog was out of line. Was the dog attacking the officers?

The guy ran, why didn't they run after him? Instead they pulled their weapons and endangered everyone.

Public Servants are supposed to use common sense no one is asking them to do anymore or any less.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:23 PM
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7. Disgusting comment. You'll sing a different tune when such a thing happens to you n/t
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:27 PM
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11. It couldn't happen to me
1. I don't drive drunk
2. I don't skip court dates
3. I don't have warrants
4. I don't run from the police
5. I wouldn't try to hide behind a dangerous dog
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hoover410 Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Excellent points. Thanks for posting. NT
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. Well... aren't you special !!??
Being a Ct. resident I can tell you this for a fact, East Haven police have a notorious reputation for "getting away with murder" and are quite biased against dark complected citizens. Google them and read some of the reports over the past ten years or so. They finally have a female Democratic mayor who also found herself in deep doo doo over trumped up charges by the "good ole boys"! Thankfully she came out on top this time!
I have a very strong respect for good police work and many friends in our local Police Depts. accross the State, but there are also many "bad apples" that get onto the force without proper ethical training.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:06 PM
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24. Are you arguing that they are guilty in this case because other people may have broken other laws...
At other times?

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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:46 PM
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103. NO !
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 10:49 PM by JanusAscending
It's the same offenders from the same PD every time...so why would I give them the benefit of the doubt if they have lied in the past??? PS
one of these so called public servants shot and killed a young black man who was unarmed, and got away with murder,....and is still on the force! This was a teenage boy, not a dog...so you figure it out!
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #21
88. Another CT (New Haven) resident here.
East Haven IS notorious. I have a friend there who is great and I've known other nice 'Staven folks, but I know those who fit the profile of racist very well. And the pot boiled over when Obama was elected...
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #11
33. There's plenty of room for a cop to go after you and shoot you
Don't get too smug up there.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #11
50. Do you have an address cause cops have been known to show up at the wrong door you know.
I hope you don't have children because cops have been known to shoot those while "serving a warrant"
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:27 AM
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56. I have had police show up at my house
When I had a dog I put it in another room before answering the door.

I'm not paranoid that the police are going to show up at my house to murder me for no reason.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:32 AM
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58. Somwetimes they dont knock... I am not paranoid either but I do think that
some police need to be removed from their jobs... this sounds like one possible case.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:53 PM
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84. tell that to the little black girl who was literally set on fire in her sleep
by police grenades because they were raiding the house to find her daddies huge pot stash of one joint.

IF THAT SHIT DOESN'T PISS YOU OFF, YOU AREN'T A LIBERAL!
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 04:40 PM
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92. Authoritarians don't care about casualties.
Anything to alleviate their constant pants wetting terror of criminals and deviants is fine. They're ok with kids getting burned.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:41 AM
Response to Reply #11
67. You shoot the dog AFTER the owner refuses to restrain it.
And you know something if the cops started waving guns around in front of my nephews and nieces, and shooting their dog, I would fucking run too, and I'd be screaming every obscenity and insult I could think of at those cops, because I'd want those out of control fuckers well away from the kids.

The specific coppers involved have a long history of questionable arrests and the overenthusiastic use of force. I'll take the cop's side or at least argue for giving them a fair hearing if there is any reasonable doubt, but not here.


Down Under we deal with DUI as a completely summary offense. You blow in the little machine and it says you're BAC is 0.x, you have the choice of accepting that reading on the spot, or you may choose to accompany the cops to the station for another go on their big (and more accurate machine) and if really stupid you ask for a blood test. However it goes, if you're over, your license is done then and there and you get a little bit of paper telling you how much you owe in fines. And another more formal notification will be mailed to you.

It is entirely your choice whether or not to take it to court, where you can try to fight it (not recommended unless you're someone with very deep pockets and a damned good lawyer) or ask for a special exemption to drive to and from (and possibly for) work, which if you have no history is often granted. If you fail to show without damned good reason, the summary penalty simply stands and you get another letter reminding you that your license has been susspended/revoked and you still owe the dollars.

Same for any summary offence, it's always the alleged offender's choice whether or not to dispute it in court, and a failure to show is not usually treated as a criminal offence, judgement is simply made against you and the judge moves onto the next case.

Eventually, if you don't pay your fines the sherrif's office (different critter here in Aust) sends someone around to confiscate possessions in lieu of payment. However, it is very easy to avoid this, simply by going to the clerk of courts and arranging to make regular token payments. What I find particularly appropos about this method is that it doesn't hurt the poor offenders, it's the ones who can afford to pay up front, but fail to pay anything thinking their fine will eventually be written off, that get to watch as their car is taken away over a $200 parking fine. After it's sold they do get the difference back, but it's sold at police auctions and prices there are almost invariably well below Redbook value.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #11
73. And you don't have a shred of compassion
for the innocent family and dog here.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #11
79. Clueless. Ever heard of mistaken arrests, wrong addresses,
even people killed as a result of erroneous warrants and swat raids? Your callousness says such a lot about you and none of it at all pleasant.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #79
83. that sort of callousness towards an innocent life destroyed
by the abuse of power, sure doesn't strike me a very congruent with good, strong, Liberal family values.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #11
81. I had a highway patrolman come speeding up behind me one night
doing about 120MPH in a 50 zone without his siren or emergency lights. He was directly behind me, I thought I was going to be hit be a drunk driver. When I sped up to try to get out of his way, he pulled me over and wrote me ticket, the whole time striking an intimidating tone and accusing me of being drunk when I hadn't had a drink in months. BTW. I'm white and this happened in San Francisco.

IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #11
86. It did happen to someone who met your criteria
the kids...
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
91. You still could have the swat team
break down your door and shoot your dog, like you read about fairly often when they get a wrong address.
None of your reasons justify shooting a child's pet in front of him for this level of enforcement.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:25 PM
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8. Taitertots Police say "it's just a dog." Not "dangerous dog".
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:29 PM
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12. But you're just wrong. The police report does say the dog was dangerous. Did U read the article?
“As officers gave chase, Sgt. Miller was confronted by an aggressive dog/pit bull forcing him to discharge his weapon,” says the report.

There are two sides to this and every story, and so often, only one is presented or paid attention to - this is a perfect example.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:49 PM
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18. yes - and you failed to mention:
"The report does not say that the dog chased, lunged at, intimidated or bit either of the officers." So what - it barked at him? If that's the case, they are still in the wrong. It's normal for a dog to bark at people coming onto its property.

Oh - and if someone told me "it's just a dog", I'd tell them to go fuck themselves - police or not. My dog is part of my family.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:15 PM
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27. I have a question or two for ya.
First, you are contrasting what the police report says with what a writer says it doesn't say. Can you see the apple and orange problem with that?

Second, you have one of the family members claiming someone told him that "it was just a dog." Personally, I'd need some verification, at least some further detail and context for such a statement to determine for myself if it were indeed made, and why, don't you?

Is this a case of mean, evil cops out to shoot dogs for no reason or is there perhaps a little more to the story? Which makes more sense?
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
77. well, here you go
First off, why would I believe a police report any more than I would from what the reporter found during her interview with Dadio? Are the police to be automatically believed because they wear badges? As a matter of fact after reading the comments below the article, I found that this department has a history of problems with the community (aggressiveness)and being called out for lies.
See: http://www.newhavenregister.com/articles/2010/04/20/news/metro/doc4bcde2451b2d0771398489.txt

Secondly, see first point. Why don't I need further verification? Because the police are known to LIE! According to the story I posted, this police department is not only being investigated for cover ups but for aggressive tactics. Shooting a dog for "no reason" may not be their intent, but they sure as hell did it and not but 25 feet away from children. They didn't seem to be using any of the restraint they were taught. Why didn't they try mace first? Even a damn taser gun if the dog was so aggressive?
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. Sgt Miller said the dog was dangerous.
He's not necessarily the most reliable source, now is he?

Also, if he claimed the dog was a pit bull when it was, as the owner says, a German Shepherd, that alone makes Sgt Miller's testimony suspect. The two breeds look NOTHING alike.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. Neither source is seen as completely reliable to me. My question is, why assume guilt on behalf of
the police when there are obviously two sides to this story? Why take either side over the other, at this point, given the limited and certainly somewhat biased reporting of the incident we have before us?
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. I know there are enough stories of police brutality
against both animals and humans, that I pretty much never take a cop's word for it at face value. I demand evidence for the cop's claims. I have seen no evidence in the article that it was necessary to shoot the dog.

My father was a union rep for his chapter of FOP, by the way. He's also a dog lover who went to LOTS of calls at homes that had dogs, and never once shot one in 30 years. I grew up knowing lots of cops and rangers who had K9 partners who would probably love to have a word with this punk in private.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. Yes, the rest of the story. But outrage and cop bashing is so much more fun. nt
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:05 AM
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51. There is no rest of the story... aman shoots barking dog in front of children
If you are okay with that I guess that is your opinion personally that man should face charges and a loss of job.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:26 PM
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10. As A Matter Of Curiosity, Sir: Is This Just A Reflex, Or Is There Some Consideration Involved?
Is there something programed that compels you to believe whatever a police officer says is both an accurate assessment of a situation and a truthful statement, and to believe that whoever is the object of police attentions is a liar who deserves to be harmed and hurt?

Or do you actually make some attempt to assess the account of the incident, and reach some conclusion from the facts presented?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Not to jump in here, but why do you take one side over the other?
Why believe the guy who was in violation of a warrant and a member of his family over the police?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 06:50 AM
Response to Reply #13
70. Several Points, Sir, Emerge From the Account
First, the police department in general, and at least one of these officers in particular, are under Federal investigation for abuse of their authority, sparked by an incident in which they arrested a priest for filming their actions, and in which it is clear the arresting officer lied in his report of the incident.

Second, several witnesses have filed complaints over the police action here, so it is not just a case of someone who is charged with being drunk in an automobile and his son versus upstanding policemen.

The long and short of it is that it is an established fact the police sergeant in charge lies like the proverbial rug, and there is no reason whatever not to credit the complaints of several uninvolved witnesses.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #70
101. Assumptions are one thing. Convicting with vital facts yet unknown is another. What happened to
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 10:15 PM by Skip Intro


fair trials? What happened to needing to know the facts before forming an opinion?

Is it possible you are caught up in an involuntary knee-jerk reaction? Is it possible you have preexisting beliefs that hamper your objectivity in this case?

I'm just asking, because I love that whole, "innocent until proven guilty," thing, and in this case, that belief is a big reason I hesitate to conclude anything just yet here, and emphasize that we should all wait for the truth to be exposed rather than jump to conclusions.



edited to correct a grammatical error, because I refused to be bothered with proofreading, again...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. One Forms Opinions, Sir, On the Facts Available
Facts available in this case include demonstration that the sergeant participated in lies told to cover over an arrest which was an abuse of authority just a few months ago. This certainly allows for a disinclination to believe him, when his tale is contradicted by numerous witnesses, and has elements which strain credulity on their face.

If you want me to change my opinion, you will have to provide further facts which would require the alteration.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #102
104. Merely arguing my opinion. nt
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #13
85. SHOOTING THE DOG WAS NOT NECESSARY
I don't need to believe anything the victims family says to know this as a basic moral commandment.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #85
100. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
You weren't there and neither was I. The facts as we know them don't clarify whether that was necessary or not. If I had an angry pit bull coming at me and I had a gun, as much as I love all animals, I wouldn't hesitate to save myself. The cop says that was the situation. None of us know if that indeed is the truth or not. It's tragic either way, of course, but nobody knows what really happened at this point. I believe in fair trials. I believe in knowing the facts before forming an honest opinion. I believe in the truth. And neither you, nor I, yet know the truth here.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:42 PM
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16. That's pretty much the story all the time, isn't it?
Los Angeles County CA deputy accused of unecessarily shooting dog after witness claims dog didn't attack like he claimed
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_15105188

Louisville KY police accused of needlessly killing man's medical assistance dog while canvasing neighborhood for suspect:
http://www.whas11.com/news/local/Man-Says-Police-Wrongly-Shot-Medical-Aid-Dog-95143604.html

Houston TX police officer accused of falsely arresting teen who attends cop school then needlessly shooting his dog
http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-teen-arrest-dog-killed-story,0,6512688.story

Dougherty County GA cop accused of needlessly shooting stray dog and refusing allow witnesses to help dog afterward
http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12527342

Oklahoma City OK police officer accidentally shoots other cop in leg when shooting at dog, dog got away
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-police-officer-shot-by-another-aiming-at-charging-dog/article/3456562


I'm pretty sure that in all these cases, the pooches begged to be gunned down.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #16
23. Why don't you want to talk about this case anymore?
Lets look at those cases:
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_15105188
Dangerous dog shot after chasing people.

http://www.whas11.com/news/local/Man-Says-Police-Wrongly-Shot-Medical-Aid-Dog-95143604.html
“When I opened up my door and stepped out, they already had their guns drawn and were ready to shoot,” Birk said. “He came out aggressively towards the officers, barking and showing his teeth,” Klain said. “The officers asked the resident there to please get control of the dog and the officers began backing into the yard

http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-teen-arrest-dog-killed-story,0,6512688.story
Page not found

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12527342
"The owner says she was afraid the dog would attack her horse and her dog and it may have even killed one of her own animals"

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-police-officer-shot-by-another-aiming-at-charging-dog/article/3456562
You need to purchase a pass to The Oklahoman
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. Sure, it goes both ways
No disputing that
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exboyfil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #16
38. Another great one
was the mayor in Maryland whose wife brought a package inside the house. It turns out the package was pot sent by someone who was just using the mayor's address as a drop to pick it up later.

They SWATed into the house without clearing it with the local police. Gunned down two Labs (one of which was retreating). No one ever got punished.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #38
40. Yep, I remember that story
If the same thing had happened to a regular joe instead of that mayor, I'm quite sure that we'd never hear of that story.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #16
87. These Abuse-of-Power Apologists seem to have problems
noticing patterns.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #4
22. Holy shit, you were THERE!!!
I mean, you had to be...to come to such a conclusion right?
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:20 PM
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29. Why do you even bother to read anything?
I mean you have to be there to come to a conclusion.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:11 AM
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42. So you really don't have much of an answer
to my original response then?

Strawmen and bullshit aside, that is.

Pathetic.

Have a delightful evening.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. Answer to what? Your foolish assertion that I needed to have been there to comment on it
Or your equally foolish assertion that I endorse right wing ideology.

Obviously not being there doesn't stop both of us from believing things. Obama being born in Hawaii or Cheney being unable to walk on water.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. No, that your bullshit prejudice
clouds your thinking.

You weren't there. You bought in to a media report without knowing any better.

Or, if not prejudice thinking, then just being an idiot.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #49
52. What part of the article isn't correct?
Or do you just not believe articles that you don't want to agree with. Being an idiot would be dismissing this for absolutely no reason. I'll wait for you to produce anything that disproves what is said in the article.

Don't let your bullshit vegan prejudices cloud your thinking.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:26 AM
Response to Reply #52
55. Thanks.
My "bullshit vegan prejudices" thank you.

Fucking mark. Cheers.

Jesus Christ this was easy.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #55
59. Still waiting for your problem with the article n/t
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:46 AM
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62. Still waiting for your "I was there!" response.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #62
64. I don't need to have been there, I have an accurate account of what happened
Do you have anything to show that the article is incorrect?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #64
65. *shakes head*
Thanks in advance.

Since I probably have to on DU...*facepalm*
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. So are you going to produce anything to demonstrate that the article is incorrect
Or just make foolish assertions that people can't trust anything unless they personally saw it.

Basically all you are doing is crying that they are wrong, but you don't know why and have no evidence to support it.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #4
47. Dangerous criminal... the guy didn't show up for a DUI hearing...
The cop is lucky a good Samaritan didn't shoot him trying to protect the dog.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #47
60. Because it is not like drunk drivers cause thousands of deaths every year
Oh wait they do.

A "Good Samaritan" as you call it would be killed by the police or die in prison.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 04:14 AM
Response to Reply #60
69. Yes, they do, there is no disputing that. But so fucking what?
Mr Daido failed to do so at the time he was caught drunk driving, and he was not any sort of immediate threat to the community at the time he was spotted by the police in his son's front yard.

Yes he was stupid to run, but again so what? It's not exactly an uncommon occurence. It's called the fight or flight response, and with two guns pointed at you the hindbrain generally rules out option 1 right smartly.

And by drawing those guns, the cops set themselves up for exactly the same "instinctual" behaviour, ready to fight they are confronted by a couple of dogs vociferously objecting to an invasion of their territory and "BANG!".

The intelligent, and lawful thing for these cops to to do was stop the moment they saw those children and that the subject of their pursuit was not in sight, to reassess the situation. Instead they shot the dog that stood between them and the open door they suspected Mr Daido had entered.

American cops bring this on themselves by preemptively escalating in any situation that doesn't bring immediate compliance with their desires/orders. And if someone misinterprets their desires (as appears to be the case in a couple of the other cases MrS raised today), then it's just too fucking bad for them.

Now I have in the past raised the possibility that stress/fear from previous encounters might account for a portion of bad cop behaviour, but this does not excuse them. They ARE offered counseling, and usually, because they don't want to be seen as girly men, they refuse it.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #69
71. He had warrants for refusing to show up to court
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 08:15 AM by Taitertots
I don't buy the "instinctual" to run from the police bullshit. Seems more like an asshole who knows he has warrants trying to continue to avoid justice.

"dogs vociferously objecting"
You mean reacting in a way that any reasonable person would deem a threat. A way that any police officer in the lawful commission of their duties would have reasonable suspicion would attack them.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #71
82. No as in standing their ground and barking at intruders.
As in perhaps asking the owner, who was present, to restrain them.

The dog shot was not the one in the yard with them, it was the dog that was standing between them and where they wanted to go.

Furthermore, AFAIK, cops are not permitted to barge into random residences without a warrant UNLESS they have a reasonable belief that someone's life or well being is in immediate danger. Pursuing a bloke on an outstanding MISDEMEANOUR warrant does NOT fit this bill. No one's life or safety was in danger UNTIL those cops drew their guns and started waving them about.

You might want to look up the fight or flight response before dismissing it so cavallierly. It's real and all it takes to set it off is a sudden burst of adrenalin. Even if he was simply running away to avoid immediate arrest so fucking what? The way the cops went about pursuing him put the lives of several innocent people in danger and did cause mental trauma to children who had ABSOLUTELY no part in the matter. Unless of course you want to drag out your bible and damn them with "the sins of the father...unto the seventh generation".

And after they got their man, why did they PREVENT the family from attempting to save their dog? Did they have some stupid, sick idea of trying to hang "harbouring a fugitive" on the son? Or were they just being arseholes, high on their power? (As several other complaints involving these two and a couple more of their colleagues strongly suggest.)
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #71
96. Where, Sir, Do See A Plural For 'Warrant' In The News Account?
The only statement relating to this in the account states "Zullo knew Dadio had an arrest warrant for skipping court."

Further, you are premising your argument on the dangerousness and criminal nature of the person sought, and speaking of him as a solid criminal. Yet, again according to the account provided, this man has not been convicted of anything, not just in this D.U.I. matter, but in the course of his adult life.

One of the things you need to disabuse yourself of, Sir, is the belief that anyone who comes to the notice of a police officer is a dangerous criminal. It would be nice if that were so, but it is not.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #4
74. Is there any disgusting form of behavior that the police can engage in that you
WOULDN'T make excuses for?

Your excuse-making is pathetic and disgusting.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #74
89. When I am bothered, no one responds and it gets buried without comment n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:21 PM
Response to Original message
6. You'll obey me, or feel my wrath.
Fucking lunatics.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:49 PM
Response to Original message
19. This is horrible. They shot a dog in front of children because their
grandfather missed a court appointment. Wouldn't a letter have sufficed? Much cheaper than sending a platoon. A lot of people should be fired. This is stupid.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:48 PM
Response to Original message
37. If police come to your house, they'll kill your dog for the least reason.
This is part of the advancing police state. Police don't care because they don't have to. The right wing controlled Supreme Court and federal judiciary have seen to that.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #37
43. That's the thing that chills me.
I've seen enough accounts of it happening when it was the WRONG FUCKING HOUSE. And the people have no recourse. "It was just a dog," so the most you can sue for is the 'economic value' of the dog.

Fuck that. I would want to sue for serious punitive damages and then give it all to the Humane Society. It's not about making money for the owners -- it's about making sure that cities and municipalities know that wanton shooting of animals is NOT OK, because it will COST.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #37
93. Which is why I am no sympathizer with cops.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:33 AM
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44. Sounds like a fascist police state.
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 12:36 AM by Mimosa
Sad for everybody. Just on a DUI warrant. Overkill. :(

And they could have gotten help for the poor dog.

From the OP link:

"After the shooting and the arrest, Dadio says more cops arrived. They blocked off the street and didn’t let anyone enter the home for hours. Meanwhile, standing in the street, Dadio could hear his dog crying. He was so freaked out and upset, he says, that he left.

The dog bled to death."
------------------------------------------
We are in trouble.

I need a drink myself.:(

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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:29 AM
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72. and cowardly owner heard his dog crying...and left him to die alone
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 08:48 AM by northernlights
That poor poor doggie. His idiot owner could hear his doggie crying. He was so freaked out...he left?!?! His dog bled to death, but maybe wouldn't have if his cowardly owner had stayed with him and helped him. :cry: :cry: :cry:

The article is a mess. At the top it says the dog was a pit bull cross. At the bottom, a german shephard.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 09:18 AM
Response to Original message
75. some bullies with crap for brains become cops
soiling the reputation of all cops. Idiots like him should be booted from the police force and charged with a crime.
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:00 PM
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76. That is why we've got to stop with the hero worship in this society.
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 12:01 PM by political_Dem
Because Americans are forced to bow down and prostrate themselves before the cops, that even shooting a dog is a mark of honor. Suffice it to say, there are good police people. However, law enforcement in this country has a long history of using their badge to simply get away with murder--both people and animals. That's why we've got to stop putting them on pedistals and give a realistic look at their endeavors.

The stories of police brutality are getting tiring . :(
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:36 PM
Response to Original message
78. And the Pig-Apologists wonder why we hate The Pigs.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 07:34 PM
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94. Would such as this exhibit a brownshirt mentality rather than an SS variety?
:shrug:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 07:34 PM
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95. Would such as this exhibit a brownshirt mentality rather than an SS variety?
:shrug:
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 09:24 PM
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98. Sad. nt
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 09:46 PM
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99. Send an email to State Rep Mike Lawlor.
http://www.housedems.ct.gov/lawlor/index.asp

He has been taking corrupt Law enforcement to task.
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