Utah Mother Doctored Photo to Show Girl, 13(From Daughter's school) Having Sex with Dog
A Utah woman is facing a battery of child pornography-related charges after she allegedly created a flyer depicting a 13-year-old girl engaged in bestiality and distributed photocopies of the picture around the girl's middle school.
Danette Stark, 37, a mother whose daughter attends the same Salt Lake City middle school, is accused of digitally superimposing the girl's face on a explicit image she found on the Internet depicting a naked adult woman having sex with a dog.
One of the flyers was discovered in late May by a custodian in a girl's bathroom at Northwest Middle School.
Salt Lake District Attorney Lohra Miller called the production and distribution of the flyer "heinous," but would not offer a motive for Stark's alleged crime.
"The motive is irrelevant," Miller said at a recent press conference. "In this case the heinous and despicable acts speak for themselves.
You want the court to start a guardianship action, hire an atty to be the kid's rep, file suit on behalf of her child, against the mom, and seek damages for the daughter against her own mom? Is that what you want?
The issue isn't a bad photoshop job, or even fictional images of nonexistent children in sexual situations (i.e., drawings)
The issue is defamation and sexual harassment of an ACTUAL child -- the child whose face was placed in the picture. A very real child, and someone who the perp actually knows.
This would not be OK to do to an adult woman. Would it be OK if some creep did it to a co-worker? No. It would be taken as gross sexual harassment. How much worse is it when it's a child?
66. I think there is some tolerance for mainstream movies, books, art etc..
where the intent is not to use a child in an erotic situation. Perhaps this case is different also, since the woman was not intending the photo to be used in a sexual manner. Not really sure but regardless its a nasty vicious thing to do.
This has nothing to do with a movie, where an adult woman is portrayed as being underage. The victim in the OP is a minor. It is legally child porn, along with a bunch of other stuff.
Photo-shopping a 13-yo girls face onto that body, and then distributing it to her peers at her school? I don't know if it's porn, but it's criminal in some form.
14. It freaks the shit out of me sometimes- that I still (at almost 40) don't have...
...all that much of a clue about the depth and breadth of humanity and, being honest with myself, am not so sure I have the guts to really find out. I think I'll stick to understanding the motivations of what I presume to be about 70-90+ percent of humankind and just write the rest off (like the lady in the story) as fundamentally broken in some way which should exclude them from inclusion into what I consider "humanity".
Shit just gets too nuts. I'm not sure whether it's getting nuttier now than at any time in the past but I think it could be the year 3000 and some human-ish being could be reading a news report about some other fucked-up nuttiness and will probbaly feel just as over-whelmed by the occasional insanity of it all.
I wish we all lived near each other in a more hospitable atmosphere, an oasis of sanity. I wish you were my next door neighbor instead of the teabagger I have instead.
I dunno, man, heh heh, it's hard to imagine a 13 year old who's going to...
...go through the trouble to hunt down bestiality photos, photoshop her rival's head onto the woman in the photo, print up a bunch of them and pass them around school.
Actually, I don't know any kids or adult for that matter who are likely to go through the trouble to create such a presumably-humiliating bit of character assassination.
It's...it's the kind of nasty only an adult with some serious problems would come up with- or so it would seem.
81. A kid would do the photoshops and circulate it through email, some social network, or cell phone
A mom would use here PTA-lady-kung-fu to take the photoshop, run it through the copier at work, and get them to the school. I have a hard time imagining the mom circulating them among kids, but consider it very likely that her daughter did this part and mom is trying to take the rap for her on it, as she's already in deep shit and the kid could at least be spared the criminal record.
17. I doubt batshit craziness was the exact motive
My best guess is the girl whose face appeared on this poster was more popular than her own child is, and she wanted to destroy the other girl in the eyes of her classmates. This is Mormon country, where prudishness is pretty common.
I wonder how the mom got the idea to use a dogfucker image in this. That's REALLY weird; I didn't know they had Linda Lovelace videos in Utah.
8. Very sick and twisted human being to do something so cruel to a child.
When i read this last night i was disgusted beyond words. As a similarly aged woman i cannot even fathom sitting around and investing so much energy trying to come up with ways to hurt and humiliate a little girl. Just cannot wrap my head around this type of individual.
In Utah, where the culture is constantly conformist, a trick like this is unusual. But the thinking and social dynamic behind it, the contempt and brutality, are all part of the culture there. I should know. I was one of the out group, and was constantly reminded of it. Salt Lake City will never live its culture down.
18. gawd I know this is going to get me in trouble, so prepare to pile on...
...but fer pete's sake, mutilating kittens is a "heinous and dispicable act." This is just schoolyard bullying writ large. No, I'm NOT defending the perpetrator, but what the FUCK ever happened to a rational sense of proportion?
Lately we've seen corrective surgery described as "female genital mutilation," declining honeybee populations predicted to destroy the human race, and now a nasty prank elevated to the level of genocide.
Of course it's not OK. It's sucks. It was a mean spirited thing to do. It's nasty. She should be appropriately reprimanded or punished. Nothing I said contradicts that.
But "heinous and despicable?" If that's how the prosecutor describes photoshopping a nasty and embarrassing pic, what's left for really awful crimes? Or are they more-or-less all the same?
...I am so fed up with the ridiculousness around here these days...do you mean to tell me that some woma who's 37 frigging years old puts a pic of a girl having sex with a dog all over the place, that that's a "prank"...?
I jsut erased all the sentences which I wrote about this - probably would have gotten me banned...I fucking give up.
how much suicide do you think is caused by crap like this? How much anorexia/ How much bulimia? These kids are never the same...so it may not be genocide, but it's heinous, and horrible and discgusting. And if you feel that you need to post exculpatory nonsense in order to intellectually rationalize the destruction of a 13 year old girl, then go right ahead. I will only say, as a parent, that if this had happened to my kid, the creator would be looking not for an attorney, but an orthopedist if she were lucky, that is.
But jeez. Heinous? As I've said all over this subthread, if this is "heinous," what room does that leave for crimes that kill hundreds of thousands? I mean, none of my comments are about excusing the crime itself-- I'm not even sure what the actual crime is (i.e. what specific laws were broken). I'm just tired of all the over-the-top language whipping up disproportionate outrage all the time. Maybe I just need a DU break.
And yes, I'll also cop to being more perturbed than this single instance warrants. It seems part of a general pattern though, and that's what disturbs me.
99. What then are the precise, relevant and objective...
What then are the precise, relevant and objective words you believe should be used in this particualr case? On what is that choice based on?
(Your use of the word "disturbing"... is that not hyperbole too? If not, what is the precise and relevant difference from the appropriate words you appear to take issue with?)
...and I would not have raised any objection whatsoever to calling it that, subject to the caveat that there are likely specific statutes that apply in both cases, so the allegation would need to be proved. But the act was certainly abusive and pornographic under any definition. I've never once disputed that. I agree with it wholeheartedly.
See my other comments in this sub-thread if that seems incongruous with the conclusions you jumped to. I have never condoned or approved of them, nor given any indication that they are "all right by me" or however you characterized it.
You have of course knowledge of the definitions of the words, yes? To be safe, I double checked the definitions myself and they seem to be both apt and applicable in this case.
87. OK-- if jaywalking is at one end of a continuum and killing millions at the other...
...and modifying this pic to make fun of a teenaged girl is somewhere along that same continuum-- and it's heinous and despicable-- how would you describe genocide, or jaywalking, in words that distinguished them from the totally innocuous and the totally, um, heinous? Can you see my point?
Sure, the terms fit if we isolate any single crime and disconnect it from the rest of the world and what humans do to one another.
20. How is a 13 yr old girl supposed to defend herself against this "mother"?
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 04:51 PM by FedUpWithIt All
Young teenagers kill themselves due to less humiliation from their peers. But this wasn't a peer, an adult (in age only of course) did this to this child. What recourse would this child have if not for the reaction of the community around her?
This could be devistating to a kid. Young people have been known to commit suicide over this kind of bullying. I'm glad I'm not a teen now with all the new forms of bullying including electronic harrassment.
Bad enough peers do the cruel bullying - but to have an adult pile on instead of correcting the behavior!
While we can both go to the dictionary and post definitions, I'll answer without one because my initial reaction was without one. I think "heinous" means "exceptionally cruel and terrible," with emphasis on "exceptionally." Genocide is heinous. Murder is heinous. War crimes are heinous.
It seems to me that calling this woman's actions "heinous and despicable" equates them with things like genocide, deliberate torture and murder, ethnic cleansing, etc. As I've tried to say several times in this subthread, I'm talking about proportional response, not defending ANYTHING she did.
Finally, yes-- I consider this a prank. A bad, nasty, unwarranted prank. Truly ugly. Reprehensible. But an act on the level of a prank rather than a act on the same level as something like torture and murder.
48. Thanks... I would disagree with you on it being a prank...
becuase for me, it goes way beyond having someone put saran wrap across a door before you try to walk through it... or covering all your stuff in foil... those, to me, are pranks.
As for the adjective being the right or wrong one, I hope you can see how not everyone would have the same reservations about these words being used for what this woman did.
49. you realize that you have just equated genocide and mutilating kittens?
In your first post on this subject, you characterized mutilating kittens as a heinous act. You now say that other examples of heinous acts are gennocide. Or just plain old murder. SO that's a pretty wide range: genocide. murder. mutilating kittens. Yet not wide enough to capture the deliberate action of an adult to psychologically "torture" a child.
30. I think "heinous and dispicable" pretty much covers what this woman did, quite well. It's not like
there's a finite amount of outrage in this world and we might forget to condemn kitten-mutilators and genocide-committers if we express our disgust and horror at what this woman did.
107. I think it would be a sad world if we didn't think what this woman did to a child was heinous and
despicable. I do not want to live in a society where it's seen as anything but that. I feel so sorry for the 13-year-old, and anyone who saw it. It's hard to forget an image like that.
I mean, if photoshopping a nasty pic is "heinous," what are rape, murder, and genocide? Triple-mega-walloping heinous? Please recall that my comments were NOT about what the woman did-- I agree that it was wrong. Rather, I'm dismayed that there seems so little sense of proportional response.
of not just photoshopping this photo but also of distributing it around middle school where the girl was studying. I fail to see what your problem is with calling this alleged act "heinous."
The terms heinous and despicable can apply to a wide range of actions. They are not reserved for only the most evil actions. If that was the case, then after the Holocaust, the term "heinous" would simply have to be retired for any event that fell short of killing millions (unless the Holocaust was a "triple-mega-walloping heinous" event while other events are just "heinous").
86. English adjectives include the implication of degrees relative to the appropriate context
You do realize that most English adjectives include the implication of degrees relative to the appropriate context, yes?
One may "hate" both the hard-ass boss and the Pol Pot's of the world, that the word is valid in both cases, that the speaker is truthful in both cases.
But my point was that the language we use often determines the emotional context we create. Just look at the responses in a typical DU thread about crimes. If the OP describes something in hyperbolic terms, it almost always skews readers' responses toward equally hyperbolic outrage. That's just not necessary, nor is it helpful. It creates a mob mentality.
It depicted what appeared to be a young girl performing a sex act with a dog, with the girl sitting in reddish fluid. My husband was upset to say the least and went to the police. To make a long story short, he traced the origins of the picture to an adult woman's website. She evidently makes money dressing up like a little girl, so technically it wasn't child porn. The picture was also photoshopped evidently so technically, it wasn't even sex with a dog.
But that didn't make it more pleasant to view.
Photoshop is a staple of child pornographers, some pedophiles have 'clubs' where you need a certain number of pictures to join. An expert nurse witness on the topic at a forensic nursing conference I attended said she would never post pictures of young children on-line. The images are easily lifted.
In this case the woman used the image of a child engaged in sexual acts for--as far as I'm concerned--the purpose of some sort of exploitation or humiliation. Whether the picture is 'real' or not isn't the issue. It's still child pornography.
this isn't a woman's crime, just to go by common sense and demographics
it would be VERY odd that "proof" of this photoshop adventure would be found by a custodian in a school toilet...hmmm
i would look into this custodian's relationship w. the mom and anybody else that "mom" refused to go down on...i would need to DAMN good evidence the mom did this because just going by the odds, this is a man's crime, and a rejected man's crime, when it's so easy to destroy a life by doing a little photoshop
i don't think anybody should go to jail for a photoshop and when the photoshop COULD have been performed by any number of people...even more so...i don't know why anybody has kids these days, talk about "hostages to fortune," now among all the other ways you have a hostage to fortune any asshole w. a computer can do a photoshop and get you accused of creating child porn
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