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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 11:55 AM
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Doing It for Our Children: Cutting Social Security and the BP Oil Spill
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Doing It for Our Children: Cutting Social Security and the BP Oil Spill
by Dean Baker | May 28, 2010 - 11:12am
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/node/29098

It seems more than a little bizarre that the folks who are so out front yelling about budget deficits because of the burden they will place on our children rarely seem to express much concern about the environment, such as the disaster now being played out in the Gulf. If we take the deficit hawks at their word, then we should expect them to be among the most vocal environmentalists in the country.

After all, the central issue in environmental policy is the extent to which we are willing incur higher costs today in order to allow our children to enjoy a cleaner environment in the future. This is most explicit in the case of global warming, where the issue is reducing greenhouse gas emissions now in order to prevent global warming several decades in the future. But, the basic question of trading current expenses for a better future comes up in almost every environmental debate.

Certainly it is front and center in the "drill baby, drill" debate.

Undoubtedly we would get oil somewhat cheaper with a drill everywhere now policy (even if advocates hugely overestimate the impact), but such a policy will both cause more environmental damage and also deplete the resources available to our children. By drilling the oil out of the ground today, we take away the possibility that this oil can be tapped thirty or forty years in the future if it becomes necessary for some reason.

The logic of this tradeoff of current costs for future benefits would lead us to believe that, because of their concerns for children and grandchildren, the deficit hawks would be leading the crusade to hang the BP crew. After all, their spill has done more harm to future generations than several years' worth of pork barrel spending.

Yet, the deficit hawks don't seem to have noticed the spill for the most part. This might make one wonder how much the deficit hawks really are worried about our children and grandchildren. One might even if get the impression that the deficit hawks really don't have give a damn about our children and grandchildren - they just want to cut Social Security and the other programs that allow ordinary working people to enjoy a decent standard of living. But, that is just speculation.

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 01:05 PM
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1. The Recs are great...
but how about some kicks.
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 01:54 PM
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4. ok. k&r
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 07:52 AM
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12. Thanks n/t
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 01:08 PM
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2. Because they're not "deficit hawks" (whatever that idiocy means), they are powerful parasites
with a vested interest in ruining the environment and stealing even more of your money.
:kick: & R


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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 01:42 PM
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3. What I think he means by it is...
all those wing nuts constantly moaning about deficit spending and the only way to stop it is to cut as many social programs as they can get their grubby little hands on. But don't touch the military spending because we need more wars. I read today that the plans are already in place for an invasion of Pakistan if an attack in the US can be traced to their tribal regions.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 02:04 PM
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5. I'm sorry, I didn't mean that the idiocy was yours or that you were promoting that term.
I've always objected to that moniker because it is purposely inaccurate and misleading, just like the term "centrist".

Few want to see it, but the end game is well underway.
:kick:

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 06:31 PM
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7. Deficit terrorists..
is more germane.

They use the public's limited understanding of fiscal policy and economics to terrorize the nation into implementing highly destructive cuts to social programs, wages and benefits.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 04:27 PM
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14. +01
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 02:28 PM
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6. K&R
:kick:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 03:50 AM
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8. kick
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 03:59 AM
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9. Thanks for kicking this. Rec'd with anger n/t
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 04:01 AM
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10. Gotta do it for the shorties, man! C'mon..this is the sure road to a better tomorrow
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 04:45 AM
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11. yep. hypocrites as well as lying thieves. *their* children don't have to worry their beautiful
Edited on Sun May-30-10 04:46 AM by Hannah Bell
heads about oil spills -- they can just move to a greek island. or the riviera. or to their football-field sized indoor pool.

somewhere less working class.

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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 12:03 PM
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13. Underground cities
That's where I heard they were taking themselves.

Climate change?

Oil Spills?

Nuclear Winter?

No problem.
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