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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 03:39 PM Original message |
Privatized school bus/budget cuts blamed for fatal school bus accident |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. Many states use contractors for school bus service. Is it inherently more effective & efficient |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. it is when the privatizers cut reasonable safety features & lower wages. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. As with any contract for services, the contractee is responsible for insuring relevant goals for |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. that sentence doesn't even make sense. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. "that sentence doesn't even make sense" is why you and I disagree on the issue. We interpret facts |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. i meant i had to read it three times before i understood what you were |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. OK, you lost me, I did not use the phrase "if studies show" on this branch of the thread. Did I say |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. you used it in post 18, this thread: |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Thanks. In context "if studies show" is whenever a study shows one option, public or private, is |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. I can make anything look "cost-effective." |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. If you can "can make anything look 'cost-effective'" then you will certainly win many contracts. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Yeah, sure. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Privatization focuses effectiveness and efficiency on cost, not on safety. nt |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Not necessarily. Federal Performance-Based Services Acquisition (PBSA) focuses on cost, schedule and |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. A comparison |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You seem to be saying that ALL privatized services are inherently less effective/efficient than |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I seem to be saying that, having worked in public education for 27 years, |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I'll accept your experience "district-provided services to be safer and higher quality" but that |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. The answer seems clear to me. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Do you then oppose federal contracts under A-76, see # 26 above, that were emphasized by Carter and |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. I find the USPS very efficient. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Then how can UPS, FEDEX, et al private mail services survive and why is USPS operating at a loss? nt |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Yes. What will a private company do except cut salaries and costs? How else would they get profits? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. IMO government organizations producing the same service as private organizations fear competition |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. imo the private sector fears competition, that's why they rig everything. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. The OP was about bus service and our exchange has broadened to privatizing all government services. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. because you broadened it. immediately. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. If you mean #1 in which I mentioned "school bus service" and then asked "Is it inherently more |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
32. It's much safer for schools to perform this task. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Why is it "safer for schools to perform this task"? n/t |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. For the reasons I just gave. n/t |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Thanks but many private school bus companies do the same job effectively and more efficiently. n/t |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I disagree. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Interesting, is that a local or state decision "we won't use them"? n/t |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Local. Other districts do it. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. What percentage of your state's school buses are provided by private companies? n/t |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Pretty low, but I don't know. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Thanks. n/t |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. By slashing drivers' wages. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. Let's cut to the chase here |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. What does "liveable wage" have to do with the OP? The OP blames private school buses for accidents. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. Recced it up to -0- |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Ambulence chasers |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. Our town used private companies, that bus was unruly. Our private bus for our private school had a |
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thelordofhell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. It's not only transportation |
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DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
14. What a sad world when aides are even needed. I went to |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Agree, I started riding a school bus 1 hour each way in 1941. Troublemakers were disciplined in |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Now we have to have video just to prove to parents that Johnny really did something. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
24. get with the program |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
36. I'm not against privatization of school buses at all. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Our buses are busy most of the year. |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. That's a good use of the school bus system... |
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Citizen Worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
48. The hidden danger of driving/riding in any school bus |
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