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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:04 AM Original message |
I think we will look back on the BP disaster as a tipping point. |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. You may very well be correct. |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
99. The problem is that Obama is on the wrong side. He hasn't done Jack sh*t |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah... mobilize |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
63. We need to start a "Worldwide Party". Seriously. What is a good name????? Earth Party? |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
3. I agree with you. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 01:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
82. Oil companies are destroying Nigeria and West Africa..... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 04:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
85. And you are going to |
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stubtoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
4. Excellent. |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
5. Good points all. I've heard similar comments elsewhere (printed opinion) |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
6. I'll see you and I'll raise you one catastrophe... |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
7. You're more optimistic than I am... |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
8. I tend to agree |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. I looked over the web site. Found no graph or table of output power vs. wind speed. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. You really looked hard, didn't you? |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. No graph or table at that link |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. You didn't open a single fact sheet. |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I opened 4 of them before my first post. How you figure I opened none is beyond me. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Well you obviously didn't open these |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Thank you! |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. those are the two turbines they are pushing the hardest right now |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. The first link shows a graph, but the information is obscured. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. My problem with that turbine is it's a Horizontoal Axis Wind Turbine |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. Thanks for that link. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Helix Wind has some fo the most efficient designs available. n/t |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
47. "I see this doing for alternative energy what the Goldman Sachs scandal |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. exactly...furthermore, economies of scale would bring prices down |
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Hestia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
64. Number on after the subsidy for homeowners, we take the new homes that are sitting empty |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. "Dead Sea". There's some serious gallows humor for ya. I agree with your idea about the |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 04:24 AM Response to Reply #47 |
86. Ever hear what Obama's RW critics are saying? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:24 AM Response to Reply #47 |
92. I assume you're presuming this doesn't become an international, |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #47 |
96. Personally, I think professionals such as yourself should be swept up into a WPA type of program. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #47 |
98. A absolutely agree with you. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
75. So you are hoping "some in Congress will see the need to fund R&D for alternative energy sources." |
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txwhitedove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
95. I thank you for the tips. Even prior to this BP spill, I planned to re-roof |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
9. "Global warming is abstract. Oil on the beaches is concrete." |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
10. K&R |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
11. I think it will be largely forgotten in 10 years |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. What an obtuse and offensive statement! |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Thank you |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. I hope you are right. The implication of such an outcome is that |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Not really. See Exxon Valdez |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Or perhaps instead, it will become the New Normal |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. FYI |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
54. Thats not where I was going. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. We will be lucky if we are able to forget about this disaster in |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
84. Probably not in 10 years but in 50, when civilization is gone and we live in caves again, maybe. |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
91. Sorry, no. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. The Environmental Movement better get it's head out of it's ass |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Jesus, what a graphic you have there! |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Found it floating around here last week. |
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sce56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
67. I first saw it on facebook |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #67 |
112. Good stuff there |
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Richd506 (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
71. I agree |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
76. How does one "kill capitalism"? nm |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
106. I keep wondering. . . |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
113. Like this.... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
15. Will Toby Keith write a song about kicking BP's ass? nt |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
17. I sure hope you are right. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. We woke up back then and elected Carter. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
79. Carter told us it would be hard work to get off oil |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 04:44 AM Response to Reply #79 |
88. Mostly it was the political influence |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 04:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
87. Carter was up against |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #87 |
100. Absolutely. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
19. we learned trickle down doesnt trickle. we learn deregulation needs regulation |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
20. Been saying this since it started...... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Yes. +1. eom |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
70. Lets hope there are a few more future generations. |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
21. I'm a pessimist |
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Hestia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
66. I don't think it will be forgotten - everyone around here could afford the Redneck Riviera and every |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
27. Mobilization is sorely needed. |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. I hope you're right. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
30. Let's hope so because if we wait for the next oil spill |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
32. You've gotta be kidding. If 9/11 didn't change anything, why should this? |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. 9-11 changed a whole lot of things. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 04:48 AM Response to Reply #38 |
89. +1 |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
108. Yep...the USA prior to 9/11 and this one today are vastly different, in a very bad way. |
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djp2 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
35. Nationalize! |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Iran tried that |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 04:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
90. Yes, there will be no |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
42. k&r |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
48. I'm hoping beyond hope that you're right, Jackpine Radical. Rec. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
49. K&R, Jackpine. |
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Dems to Win (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
52. I hope it tips Gulf State voters into rejecting their anti-environment, ultraconservative senators |
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jp11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
53. I can only hope that it spurs people to look harder at Electric vehicles if practical and within |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Welcome to DU. |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
57. How fortunate Obama is on the case! |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. It's exactly like 9-11, then! |
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Francisco (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
58. Your right |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
59. It will go down like this |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. There will be a |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. You're not leaving a whole lot of wiggle room there, guy. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. I dare someone to tell it differently. It is not possible to stop run-away capitalism. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
68. Yes, If it doesn't kill all of us. |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
69. It took the dark clouds to literally blow into D.C. till Congress did anything about |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
72. Jackpine, this is absolutely right ON!!!!!!!!! |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
73. Ah yes it sounds so good when you say it. "People mobilize...". Remember the Exxon Valdez? |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
74. I hope you are right |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
78. I hope this is a wake up call. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
80. This is peak oil hitting general consciousness |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
81. I rec'd this earlier today when I first saw it, but I didn't know what I wanted to post. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #81 |
103. I cannot pretend that I'm not haunted by the same perspectives you lay out here. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. Well, I'm certainly with you on this: "either capitalism goes, or life on earth goes." |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 01:39 AM Response to Original message |
83. There still will be drill, baby, drill thing ... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
93. This may be the environmental 9/11. The politician that grabs |
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Autonomy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
94. I'm going to go ahead and |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
97. Good logic, but unfortunately, most people respond to crises w/what they already believe ... |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. I think you have very workable ideas. THIS is one part of consciousness change. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
101. K&R - We had such a tipping point here in California after the 1969 channel oil spill |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
102. I hope you are correct jackpine, but greed is one of the most powerful forces in man. |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
105. you may be right... |
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NodQuestion (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
107. uhhhhhh... |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
109. Saving the planet as a result of this disaster could be the real pay-off. |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
111. Excellant Post |
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