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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:25 AM
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PREDICTION: They'll arrest somebody for the Times Square Event within 48 hours
He had Connecticut plates on the SUV that were registered to another vehicle.

This was a full blown amateur which is indicative of a completely domestic event.

I'm about 75% sure they already have a name and are seeking the perpetrator now.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:27 AM
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1. Once they check the VIN, they'll know whose car it is.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:28 AM
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2. The car is probably stolen. nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:29 AM
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5. Most likely stolen
But the whole thing was so amateurish that it's obvious the perpetrator left a trail of bread crumbs that will lead right to him.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:31 AM
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10. No VIN number
according to GEM$NBC
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:33 AM
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14. There will be a VIN
VINs are located in numerous places in cars.

The VIN plate in the dash was probably removed, but that doesn't remove the VIN completely.

They're currently tearing that SUV apart.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:37 AM
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15. Exactly..
... it is almost impossible to remove the VIN from a modern auto.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:45 AM
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22. There are about a dozen VINs on every car
Edited on Sun May-02-10 08:58 AM by NNN0LHI
Even the people like me who assembled cars were not allowed to know where they are all located.

Don
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:09 AM
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42. Yep they found it n/t
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:20 AM
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49. More evidence..
... that this was carried out by a moron.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:55 AM
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56. I agree.
This is definitely the work of a conservative.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:14 AM
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46. Thats good to know
When I purchase a big item I stamp my ss number on it in various places, one that will be seen pretty easily then the others requiring a partial tear down. Just in case I want identify it later. I know a person who had his tools stolen and he found a couple of them but because he couldn't tell the investigators enough to make a positive identification he lost them anyway. I try my best to not let that happen, it had a scratch here or it had a bump there won't get it. Well I took the switch out and filed that little diddly thingy there that was bugging me works every time though or I replaced one of the brake lite bulbs or a switch and or had broken some little piece or what ever works though. If you use a stamp to put a number or letter in a piece of metal no matter if its ground off it can still be seen using the right techniques. Not sure about welding over it but that would raise questions because you can identify that as the place I put my name or a number.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:17 AM
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48. Check the transmission and the engine
Transmissions and engines also have VIN's.
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:33 AM
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52. Really?
That's interesting to know.

Thanks. Wow.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:15 PM
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60. Here is a partial list of the places you can find them on the Pathfinder
Nissan Axxess, Van

Pickup, Pathfinder

280Z, ZX

All others excl. above Left side of dash (thru windshield)
Front left floor panel
Left side of dash (thru windshield)
Right inner fender
Left side of dash (thru windshield)
Right strut housing
Left side of dash (thru windshield)
Firewall 10th

http://www.autohausaz.com/html/vehicle_identification_n...
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:38 PM
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66. Every computer system on that vehicle has a VIN in it.
Cannot be easily read, and impossible to remove.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:41 PM
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67. Every time I work on my Pathfinder I find another one
The last one was inside of the rear side bumper on the driver's side.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:33 PM
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71. And the only way you can find them all is to completely disassemble the vehicle
Which I don't reccomend doing.

:rofl:

Don
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 04:05 PM
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72. Disassembling it wouldn't be all that bad
Getting it back together would be a major hassle.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:29 AM
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3. I agree, they probably already know who they're
looking for.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:29 AM
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4. They also found fingerprints.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:31 AM
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8. Yep, that's why I figure they already know who it is.
Edited on Sun May-02-10 08:35 AM by WeDidIt
I'm betting it's a veteran, which means the fingerprints are in the FBI database.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:40 AM
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17. Why would you think it's a veteran? nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:53 AM
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24. I think it's about 75% likely this was a right wing militia member.
Those who are used as 'foot soldiers' in the very militant right wing militias are usually veterans which makes it highly likely to be a veteran if this is right wing terrorism.

The next most likely possibility is a disaffected domestic Muslim. There is a slight chance that such a profile would be a veteran.

Given that this is highly likely to be a domestic attack, the chances are very good it was a veteran. I'd give it a better than 50% chance.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:57 AM
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29. 87% of statistics are made up on the spot. nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:59 AM
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31. You have a reading comprehension problem, don't you?
Edited on Sun May-02-10 09:03 AM by WeDidIt
:eyes:
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:05 AM
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37. Just pointing out
that you're pulling odds completely out of your ass. I mean, I actually agree with you as to the likelihood of this being domestic terrorism, but assigning numeric odds based on absolutely nothing is silly. All the rolley-eyes in the world won't change that.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:06 AM
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39. What do the words "I think" or "I'd say" say to you?
Yep, reading comprehension problem there.

I was completely up front that this was 100% my personal speculation.

You decided to be an asshole.

Good bye.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:07 AM
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40. LOL!
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the intarwebz today!
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:33 AM
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53. Giving odds is, in no way, quoting "statistics"
Just because he used percentages to express his opinion that doesn't make it a "statistic"
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:50 AM
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54. It was a one-liner somebody took WAY too seriously.
At least I amused myself. :hi:
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:20 PM
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61. And the vast majority of people who use "the vast majority"...
...as a substitute for actual statistical data are making it up.

Myself included. ;)
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:14 AM
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47. Seriously?
Why a veteran?

I know you answer below, but that still reeks of blaming VETERANS.

Wow.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:54 AM
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55. Bullshit
It's merely an observation.

You sound like the rightwingnuts who went ballistic after the DHS report on rightwingnut terrorism was released.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:42 PM
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68. I'd hope a veteran
Could come up with a better explosive device.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:13 AM
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44. However those fingerprints have to be in the record for someone
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:45 PM
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70. Why? Unless that person has been fingerprinted previously
and kept on a governmental database, there is no way to make a match.


My fingerprints wouldn't turn up a match to anything, as there is no record of them on file by anyone, let alone a law enforcement agency of any kind.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:30 AM
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6. I predict it will be Mel Gibson.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:31 AM
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9. lol. nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:32 AM
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13. HA!
:rofl:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 10:01 AM
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58. Spray!
:spray: :rofl:
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:31 PM
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63. Yeah, but will he call the FBI agents "sugar tits?" n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:59 PM
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73. LOL. If anybody could get away with it, it might be Mel.
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:31 AM
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7. Wonder if it will end up being a right-wing terrorism incident? n/t
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:31 AM
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11. I'd say that's the most likely scenario.
My bet is, it's a right wing nutball who is also a veteran and a militia member.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:32 AM
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12. I'm betting yes on that n/t
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:43 AM
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19. I bet that it is another McVeigh type incident.
Some teabaggers are even starting to imortalize that ass.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:44 AM
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21. As this was obviously the work of an incompetent, cowardly dumbass
I would say that your average right-winger fits the profile to a "Tea".
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:05 AM
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38. Unless, it was designed to be an attention getting dud
In that case, it would increase the odds of it being a case of domestic terrorism. A false-flag event designed to Arizona'ize NYC?
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:38 AM
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16. I think Halliburton has a finger in this pie. nt
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:41 AM
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18. Somehow I think Halliburton could make a better effort than this.
Why would they do it anyway?
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:53 AM
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25. It knocked the environmental disaster off the headlines
and they played a huge part in it.

Also, they would WANT to make it look like an amateur.

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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:02 AM
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33. I'm pretty sure a massive oil spill off the coast of America
will be front page news for quite some time. Just because Halliburton is your bad guy du jour doesn't make them responsible for every bad thing that happens.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:04 AM
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36. Candy Crowley is talking about it on CNN
I flipped back to MSNBC since Morning Joke is now over.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:43 AM
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20. Snap Judgement Corporate Media
No sooner does an incident of this scope occur than the media begins to guess who did it, why and what else do they have planned. They roll in the "experts" who add their own speculation and second guess every little thread they can pull. Hours are filled with lots of wasted verbage based on little information that has turned many into expecting some kind of instant answer or who will use the vaccuum of legitimate information to use this event to push an agenda.

I'm very grateful that this thing didn't go off and the heads up to those who quickly noted something suspicious and the quick response by the NYPD. I'm also glad that this thing didn't occur during a weekday, not only for the damage that would have occured with even more people in the area but that the corporate media was busy at their drinkie-drinkie party inside the beltway rather than blathering endlessly with all their "theories" and "experts".

My bets are we hear something by tomorrow afternoon to tamp down the speculation that's sure to happen when the usual suspects get in front of the cameras and microphones tomorrow.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:52 AM
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23. CT plates? I can guarentee one thing, it wasn't me.
Other then that, it is all pure speculation for now.

"A law enforcement official told CNN on Sunday that the Connecticut plate came from an automobile junkyard near Bridgeport, Connecticut. Under Connecticut law, plates must be returned to a local Department of Motor Vehicle branch or to a Connecticut state trooper if a car is to be junked for scrap metal."http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/02/times.square.closur...

Freaking Bridgeport of all places.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:09 AM
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41. Getting the plate was probably the easiest part of this scheme.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:28 AM
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51. Well, yeah. Especially in Bridgeport.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:54 AM
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26. amateur = domestic? Shoe bomber? underpants bomber?
not seeing the logic in that conclusion.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:57 AM
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28. Shoe bomber and underpants bomber
were both events on international transport.

Both events were designed to test security procedures.

Both used patsies because the likelihood of a successful attack was remote in both cases and little to no training was provided to either patsy.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:55 AM
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27. They'll bring people in for questioning, sure.
But I don't think they'll arrest the bomber in 48.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:58 AM
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30. This incident doesn't pass the professional terrorist test.
It'll be interesting to see who was behind it.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:14 AM
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45. GOAL: To Arizona - ize NYC.
Edited on Sun May-02-10 09:18 AM by divvy
My Guess:

Right Wing
White Male
American
Flag Waving Patriot
TEABAGGER
McVeigh / Ruby Ridge / Waco fanatic
2nd Ammendment Gun Nut
Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian

and most importantly:

Anti-Immigration Zealot.


Think about it. NYC is the national symbol for immigration.

Remember ..... You heard it here first !
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:31 AM
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:00 AM
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32. It was either
an homegrown AQ wannabe, a teabagger nut job, or perhaps someone has a gripe with ConEd, again...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Brussel#James_A._...


Thankfully it wasn't a cantaloupe (It's a reference to the original Taking of Pelham 123)


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:02 AM
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34. Times Square has hundreds of surveillance cameras
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:03 AM
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35. Yep
They're building a case now and are searching for the perp. It's highly likely they know precisely who did this.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:32 PM
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64. They probably have multiple images, n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:12 AM
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43. The bombers on airplanes have been pretty amateur as well - but not domestic
I think you are right - but not all islamic extremist terrorists are sophisticated and domestic terrorists are not always unsophisticated.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:57 AM
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57. I don't discount the possibility of a Major Hasan redux
but I think it's nowhere near as likely as a rightwing nutjob.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:26 AM
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50. Somebody who listens to FOX radio.
Edited on Sun May-02-10 09:27 AM by WinkyDink
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 10:04 AM
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59. I'd say it;s a good chance this was a Beckerhead. n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:28 PM
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62. Maybe they don't want to arrest him so quickly??
Maybe they want to see if he has other accomplices?
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:35 PM
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65. All I hope is that they have ties to the teabaggers
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:42 PM
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69. I'm sure Jack Bauer is already beating the guys brains out.
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Mekki Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:51 AM
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76. I highly doubt that.
I highly doubt that.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:10 AM
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77. Of course you do because you saw the news that a Pakistani man had been arrested over 5 hours ago,
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