OK, fans of the DU Friday afternoon challenge, here is this week's test!

[CTyankee]

What are the two famous art masterpieces that have been "re-imagined" in these two works?

Extra credit: names of all artists involved and location of these works.

#1.




#2.

[elleng]

1. 1. Guernica, picasso

2.ask me later

[CTyankee]

2. the first one is not guernica. The second one is tougher, though. nt

[blondeatlast]

4. The first is Klimt? nt

[CTyankee]

5. No, but the first and second "re-imagined" ones are by the same artist. nt

[elleng]

9. Heck no!

[blondeatlast]

57. Well, excuse me... nt

[elleng]

58. OK!

My point is, of course, that this looks nothing like Klimt to me. Chacun a son gout!



But maybe you had THIS in mind. Never seen it before:

[elleng]

11. Thanks for the challenge!

Won't find the 'reimagined,' but enjoying getting back to my art/museum days.

[CTyankee]

3. Here are two hints: look to Spain and France. nt

[elleng]

14. Guernica in Spain, of course!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(painting)

Re-imagined???

[CTyankee]

16. Yes, here is the original by Velasquez

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You can see how much of the Velaquez Picasso included in his "re-imagining".

[SidDithers]

6. I cheated...

#1 is obviously Picasso, but had to look up the title, and inspirational piece.

No idea on #2.

Sid

[CTyankee]

7. What is the title?

[SidDithers]

10. KittyWampus has it....

Diego Velazquez original is Las Meninas, redone by Picasso.

If I had to guess on the second, I'd say an interpretation of Las Hilanderas, but I can't figure out the artist.

Sid

[CTyankee]

15. I figured folks would know Las Meninas because it is SO famous, at least so I thought!

The second one I thought would be a long shot for a lot of people...

Another hint: look to the Romantic period with #2...

[elleng]

23. You are correct, of course, but there's something Guernica-like.

Is it the 'color?'

[CTyankee]

25. As I recall when I saw it (the Picasso) it was black and white, like Guernica.

I saw both of them 2 years ago on an art trip to northern Spain...it was a fabulous experience...

As to the similarity of the two, I think it is because a LOT is going on in both paintings. Las Meninas is an enigma....there are lots of explanations as to what is going on. The whole idea of it is pretty fascinating, if you think about it...

[elleng]

29. You went to Bilbao?

Now you're REALLY inspiring me to get back to Europe. Daughter going on honeymoon, so I'm doing some pre-wedding research for her. I should do a pre-wedding trip!


Been to Madrid (and Barcelona) but not Bilbao.

[CTyankee]

35. GO TO BILBAO!!!

It will change your life! I absolutely LOVED the Guggenheim (and yes, I know, some purists call it a "theme park" museum, yadda yadda). Twombly's "Ah! the peonies" is just amazing. They have a new subway system and bridge designed by modern architects (whose names I do not recall). Very amazing. I bought art there...just a little charcoal but very lovely...

However, the Picassos' weren't there. As you probably know, "Guernica" is in La Reina Sofia in Madrid and his rendering of Las Meninas is in Barcelona. I think "women of algiers" is too...

Interesting little note: I saw Las Meninas in Boston at the Museum of Fine Arts before I saw it at the Prado in Madrid. There was a show at MFA on several Spanish artists the spring before I went to Spain...I thought that was kinda funny...

[elleng]

37. Art and life do that, of course, 'kinda funny!'

Haven't really thought of going to Bilbao, but at your encouragement, I'll put it on my MUST list! Have seen quite a lot about the Guggenheim. I pay virtually no attention to what 'purists' or others call things. My kids think I'm weird for being so whatever (independent,really) and many at du might think the same. I DON'T CARE!

Did visit Basque region, briefly, as part of trip around France (With family.)

[CTyankee]

39. I visited Pamplona on the way up to Bilbao.

I had this image of Pamplona being a little backwater town in Spain but it is quite beautiful and very UPSCALE! There is a statue of Ernest Hemingway in the bar of a hotel (on the big town plaza)that he used to stay in when he came for the running of the bulls. It's strange. It's made of wood and he is actually "sitting" at the end of the bar! What a laugh that was!

[pscot]

40. The pre-wedding trip is an excellent idea

Go while you still have a bank account.

[elleng]

41. Interesting you should mention that!

Her father has the bank account, as he refuses to give me any! SOOOOO, I'm working on my own! SURE DO WANT to return to Europe; we all traveled there several times, and its naturally under my skin.

[CTyankee]

49. Oh god, I loved Spain. I want to go again. Next time, to southern Spain

and get down to Granada and Seville and Cordoba...

[elleng]

53. Done some of that, along costa del sol.

Madrid MANY years ago, as a kid; Barcelona in 90-something.
Italy's my real place, but thinking now of museums (Museums not necessary in Barcelona!)

[CTyankee]

59. Saw both!

George Orwell said that the Sagrada Familia (Sp?) was the ugliest church he'd ever seen!

But I loved Gaudi's house...it was cool.

Barcelona is now overrun by tourists, IMHO. I felt a little crowd phobic. I bet it was a lot nicer before everyone decided to go there. I didn't get that feeling in Madrid, but of course it is bigger geographically....

[elleng]

62. Was in Barcelona April, I think; in fact, whatever the year was,

we left for France on THIS date, drove around country, parked for a few days and took train to Barcelona. Just took album of that trip out, and opened to Gaudi pages, same as I posted here quite coincidentally!

I agree about the 'church,' but its a unique architectural 'happening!'

Due to time of year, wasn't TOO overrun. Was last year we could take daughter away from school w/o 'damage,' so before summer crowds.

[CTyankee]

64. Some popular places in Europe are just overrun even in early spring.

I planned a trip to Northern Italy in early May 08. Thought I'd miss the crowds coming in late May, early June. Wrong. In early May I learned it was the time that Italian school kids (like middle school level) took field trips to all the places I wanted to go...hence, already crowded Venice was intolerably crowded. Wall to wall people in San Marco Square with the Po river rising at noon and the water coming in...I was outta there onto the side streets FAST. Enough for me. The next time I go to Venice will be in January....

[elleng]

66. Went over last in '00 ? friends wedding in Poland,

early June. Venice very fun, crowded but not intolerable, and no flood. Daughter MAY do Venice in Sept '11, w/in honeymoon.

[CTyankee]

67. It floods at noon. Don't know about other times...I didn't wait around to find out.

I was suffocating from the crowd...Maybe early June is better...school might be out and early June is before lots of school kids and their families can get away...

Funny, I should talk. I'm going to Florence again in September and I know it will be packed with people. My only consolation is that I'll be at the Bargello, San Marco, the Brancacci Chapel, Santo Spirito, Santa Maria Novella and several palazzi and other churches where mercifully fewer people are aware of the art masterpieces therein...I think it's funny that Americans think the only things they "must see" in Florence are the David at the Accademia and a couple of Botticelli at the Uffizi...

[elleng]

70. OMG, Yankee!

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:





Stayed 'around the corner' on Honeymoon, 26 years ago NOW!

[CTyankee]

71. I'll be staying close to the Santa Maria Novella church!

Racking my brain on the painting, which I believe is Ghirlandaio...similar to his "Visitation" but not it (I don't think)...

[CTyankee]

72. Sorry...it is Ghirlandaio but it is "The Birth of the Virgin." nt

[elleng]

55. Just saw this!

We should ALL DO it! EAT in Italian homes!

Mangia, Mangia!

http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/travel/11Frugal.html?pagewanted=2&hpw

[CTyankee]

60. I emailed it to my dtr in CA. Her son goes to an Italian immersion kindergarten

class in an innovative public school in Glendale. He had no prior Italian whatsoever, despite his VERY Italian name (on his father's side, way back years ago). He's learning from a teacher who is a native Italian from Abruzzo! I suggested that they somehow get together a group of the parents to go to Italy with this teacher as the "tour guide." The kids will be better speakers than some of the parents (only a handful are native speakers; the rest like my daughter are not), and idea that I find very amusing! I'd go too!

[elleng]

61. Italian! in Kindergarten!

SO UNUSUAL even to have the language taught ANYWHERE, before college!

Who WOULDN'T go? Want to go with daughter and husband, as a chaperone on their honeymoon!

[CTyankee]

63. What a great idea for kindergarten when their little brains are like sponges!

My grandson's Italian accent is like his teacher's: near native!

Research has shown that kids exposed to other languages have an advantage in brain development because of it. We Americans are idiots in not having at least two languages for our kids like so many Europeans. It's crazy.

I don't know about being a "chaperone on a honeymoon." I know you are kidding but I don't blame you. I'd love to have a whole family entourage go to Tuscany, rent a villa and have a couple of rental cars to toot around in all over the region and into Umbria (I loved Umbria when I went there in 06). The food is so wonderful and the art in so many towns in Tuscany is exceptional that it would be a shame NOT to go! I'll keep DU apprised of any developments on that front!

[elleng]

65. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, as to sponge brains!

and over the years, we've DIMINISHED availability of language courses to what I consider a (was gonna say sinful, but thats a bit much) shocking extent.

[CTyankee]

68. Last month I was at a reception for Frances Mayes at Random House in NYC

and she talked about how difficult she found it was to learn Italian as an adult in her follow up to "Under the Tuscan Sun" which was entitled "Bella Tuscany." She said that adult brains have a kind of cement in them and she's right. Altho I must say that hearing her speak (she has a soft, Georgian accent) Italian words, I thought that this woman had NO ear for the Italian language at ALL. Her pronunciation was terrible...and altho mine ain't the greatest, at least I listen to tapes and I TRY (I think I'm pretty good, too, esp. when I really go at it...I think I was switched at birth, really...). Don't get me wrong, she was great and had a lot of wonderful things to impart to us...and I LOVE her books...

[elleng]

69. I really 'enjoy' observing the differences between individuals + langs.

Daughter has THE EAR, so does my Dad, I think, and we have so much fun playing! She's studied Italian, and one day in italy or france found herself in a confrontation of sorts, and apparently did a job on someone, IN FRENCH!

Imagine writing those, with no 'ear' for the language! Its such an important JOY to me!

[elleng]

73. Sounds like you have a fabulously interesting life, CTy!

Been to King Arthur's Court lately???!!!
:rofl:

[CTyankee]

74. My new daughter in law works at Random House! She invited me,

knowing of my love for Tuscany and Frances Mayes' writing.

I couldn't travel for many years but I got the travel bug from my mother. She would go anywhere, anytime she could. She took me to Europe when I was 16 and South America when I was 18. I never forgot those experiences. When she passed away at age 94 in 2005, she left me some money so I decided I would travel, just as she did. So she was my inspiration on the travel thing!

I'm not getting any younger so I want to "do it all" on my bucket list before I get too old!

[elleng]

75. Hey, CTy, sounds somewhat similar to my experience!

(Thankfully, my father is alive and well at 96, tho no long near me in the East Coast; he's near my brother, in IOWA!) Dad has had the bug, so our first family trip was in '57! Been doing same, ever since. Married one with the bug, so was able to travel with him and our children, who seem to have it, too!

Random House connection excellent!

[CTyankee]

76. Huge office building in NYC! We had a nice lunch at the Mayes reception.

The cafeteria staff made 3 of the Tuscan recipes in her book and they were good! My dtr in law gave me her copy of Mayes book and Mayes autographed it for me.

It was a lovely day...but it's easy for me to catch a train in and out from New Haven to Grand Central...the only thing I no longer do is take the subway in NYC. I'm too old...not like the old days!

[elleng]

77. Gotcha!

Sounds like such a nice day!

Did take subway with friend couple years ago, but been too long since I've been in The City. MUST try to return! Would love to WALK from Grand Central (and Penna Station) (in the old days!)

Read 'pre-curser' to Mayes; what was his name?

PS, received responsive e-mail from Mangia Mangia group! Joining for myself and daughter, suggest you may want to do so, to read their newsletter, containing descriptions of whats available following months, etc.

[CTyankee]

79. I am trying to remember that precurser to Mayes...dad gummit!

I plan to email the Mangia Mangia group. Thanks for posting that! What's better than going into these homes and having their cooking?!!! That is just fabulous. What a great idea!!!!

[elleng]

80. Isn't it?

Between us (and google!) we'll remember his name. AND THERE'S ALWAYS BORDERS!

OK, Provence! (That was my memory! Still working!)

[elleng]

81. VOILA!

http://www.web-provence.com/provence-books.htm

Been there?

Would love to visit Grasse!

[CTyankee]

82. Of course, Peter Mayle!

On another region, Exploritas (formerly Elderhostel) has a trip down the Seine in a barge that focuses on the Impressionists. I always dismissed barge and cruise type trips as being for well, kinda old and clueless people, but now I see that it might not be that way...I don't like the thought of having all those meals on board a ship (I want to wander around in the towns and cities for my meals!) but I understand the impulse...it does include lectures on impressionistic art and that interests me...I might just consider it...http://www.exploritas.org/programs/programdetail.asp?rowid=1%2D37JDWX

[elleng]

83. But barge food could be good!

:sarcasm:


I do understand what you're saying, but I've liked the idea of barging, for the scenes of it (in my mind!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTqlLKBKFhg

[CTyankee]

86. One trip that is on my bucket list is Vienna, Budapest and Prague.

I love old European cities with a LOT of culture...Salzburg would be nice, too, for Mozart stuff...and I would love to visit Luxembourg!

[elleng]

88. Been there, DONE THAT (sort of!)

4 of us to Vienna, after Polish wedding. Among other things Jewish museum, and concert. Prague with daughter (and 'husband') as tangent to her semester in Roma. Luxembourg 'stopover ? 100 or so years ago (during MY jr. year abroad!)

Prague was something of a disaster, for personal reasons, but I was SO LUCKY to learn of a concert. Imagine Ma Vlast in Prague!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlLPLO90fSk

[CTyankee]

90. I love that piece, studied it in a Romanticism in the Arts course in grad school!

Wow, you had some great travels! I know about "disasters" as I had one in Turin (actually more like two because I got sick, too). Stuff happens...

[elleng]

91. Stuff does happen! Torino, later!

That piece brings tears to my eyes, partly because, I think, I FEEL things about that part of Europe, and the soul in the music. I sat beside a gentleman from India, who was unfamiliar with it. Had a wonderful time trying to explain THE FLOW OF THE RIVER w/in, ~~, when he understood very little English, and perhaps less about the music.

I PRAY my great travels are not all behind me. Those with whom I've traveled are largely no longer available in that capacity, and ain't got no Broads Abroad. (Interested, if such might ever work out!)

[CTyankee]

93. I will pm you...

[elleng]

94. YHM

[elleng]

78. dupe

[KittyWampus]

8. Picasso’s version of Velasquez’s “Les Meninas.”

Picasso's version of Delacroix's "Women of Algiers"

[CTyankee]

12. One down and one to go! Did you know the Velasquez painting? nt

[KittyWampus]

13. I had to check on the title of the second one. It was popular in University days considering

she's smoking a hookah :D

And the Velaszquez painting is rather well known in Art History classes. He has done a self portrait as the painter and the painting hanging on the wall is of his patrons, IIRC.

I was a double major and LOVED going to my classes. Art History and Cultural Anthropology.

[CTyankee]

22. Did you find the original of #2? nt

[KittyWampus]

26. Good timing. I just found one!

[CTyankee]

31. I read somewhere that Picasso was fascinated by "Women of Algiers" and

painted it a hundred times in one year, going to the Louvre often to render it.

I am fascinated by it, too. I did a writing piece on it in a writer's workshop course in Grad school. I was in a Liberal Studies grad program but loved the congruence of the arts...

Oh, and that red shoe down at the bottom of the painting...incredible touch...

[elleng]

38. As to 'the congruence,' THATS how education should be, congruent.

[elleng]

32. Great work, Kitty.

Where in L.I? Me, RVC.

[KittyWampus]

34. east end > went to school in Freeport. Did I ever ask you if you remember Jan's Ice Cream Parlor?

:)

[elleng]

36. Oh Golly, THE KITCHEN SINK!

H.S. class of '62. College? I took one art/religion/music course, at Miami U, ohio., and spent Jr. year in England, and on to continent, of course!

What a DAY y'all are doing for me! HOME, and ART, and EUROPE, and intro to Midsummernights dream just on radio!

[elleng]

18. Just saw something about Les Meninas.

Recently American painting located near it, Aha! Prado!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/epa/article/ALeqM5g5x2qZCf54RzVp2SeLDXvLIQDwPg

[KittyWampus]

17. Who did this painting?

[elleng]

19. Franz Hals, or

NOT!

[CTyankee]

20. My guess is Rembrandt. nt

[KittyWampus]

21. Hard question for bonus round. Do you know the subject matter and who is being examined?

[CTyankee]

24. If I remember correctly, this painting was discussed by Simon Schama in

"The Power of Art" but I may be misplacing it in my memory. However, I do not remember the details, but somewhere I read about the subject matter and the person being examined...damn, my memory is really going south...

[elleng]

27. Thats OK, CT, there's a lot of SOUTH from New Haven!

(PS, I'm with you, memory-wise!)

[CTyankee]

28. OK, yeah, I had to look it up. "The anatomy Lesson and Dr. Tulp"

As I recall, there was a play on words, "tulp" and "tulip," if I am not mistaken...

[elleng]

30. THANKS AGAIN!

Voila!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anatomy_Lesson_of_Dr._Nicolaes_Tulp

[CTyankee]

33. Well, if you participate NEXT week, I am giving a REAL toughie test.

Thanks for participating. I love doing these challenges and having one thrown back at me!

[elleng]

42. Is that a threat or a promise?

:bounce:

[CTyankee]

43. I hope it is both. But I don't know. You guys are REALLY smart! nt

[elleng]

47. Having fun, and being stimulated by 'ot' matters!

[CTyankee]

50. Sorry, what is "ot",? nt

[elleng]

52. 'Off Topic,' that is, not political stuff!

[WillyT]

44. Picasso, And Hunter S. Thompson...

Worth a shot.

:shrug:

[CTyankee]

45. I love that response! Tell me how you knew that. I would be interested in finding out.

I love the melding of modern art with older art. I think it leads to new discoveries. I would love to know your thinking here....

[Canuckistanian]

46. Will this be on the final?

Man, I haven't cracked a book all semester. I've been helping to write the third draft of the Port Huron Statement and my old man is hassling me.

Um, what was the question again?

[CTyankee]

48. I know. This is going to be really bad!

Next week it'll be even harder. But don't worry, you'll be OK.

Don't worry. Be happy....fun, fun, fun....

[Canuckistanian]

51. My wife has a degree in art history

And I watch all the art shows and consider myself above-average in art knowledge.

But your quizzes are HARD.

[CTyankee]

56. I guess that's a compliment! Thanks...

I love art and mostly take trips to see art, plus any time there's a new book on art I try to find it and read it. Any place that has good food, good wine and good art is where I want to go!

[elleng]

84. Thinking we should travel together, yank!

[CTyankee]

85. It can be a problem. I take a vacation with hubby out to Door County WI

which has a summer classical music festival that we attend and some art gallery exhibits, but we mostly go there for relaxation. I do the art stuff in Europe with some gal pals. Last year we had a group of six! We called ourselves the Six Broads Abroad and we had the BEST time in Portugal (we went with a group from the New Britain Museum of Art here in CT)and we'd go into little restaurants and eat, drink wine and laugh a lot (maybe TOO much so in a couple of places!). While the art of Portugal was mostly derivative (from the countries they colonized) it was still interesting...the native stuff was tiles and pottery and they were pretty. I doubt if we could reconstitute the group again this year...we are of an age where elderly parents need you even if your kids are out in the world. We may be just Three Broads Abroad this year...

[elleng]

87. Yup, as I think I said earlier, Yank,

sounds like you have a fabulously interesting life!

[CTyankee]

89. I'll keep you apprised of Broads Abroad if you are interested! nt

[elleng]

92. yank,

:thumbsup:

[Rage Inc.]

54. Easy!

The Rape of the Sabine Women, Andy Warhol's Campbell Soup can!

Seriously, can't you come up with something more challenging???