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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:07 PM
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Lieberman: ‘Bloggers Have Added Another Dimension of Vituperation Toxicity’ To Politics
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/30/boehner-lieberman-civility/

Lieberman: ‘Bloggers Have Added Another Dimension of Vituperation Toxicity’ To Politics

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) led a panel discussion today at the American Enterprise Institute discussing “options for restoring civility in American politics.”

Lieberman and Boehner both decried the harsh incivility in politics today while portraying themselves as paragons of independence and cordiality.

Lieberman described his own politics as “stand up for what I believe is right and…work across party lines to get things done.” As for the rest of politics, “The majority of people are sick of it. They think our political system is sick.” Lieberman blamed “attack ads, the kind of divisiveness of the cable news coverage of politics, talk radio,” and bloggers who “have added another dimension of vituperation toxicity to it.”

Boehner agreed, saying he has worked to “find ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable.” He asked innocently, “Where does all the partisanship come from?” and answered it by lamenting how blogs and other outlets have put “more information out in the public realm than there ever was, and some of it is to drive one point of versus other, dividing people more and more.” He called this the “breakdown of America.”

Watch it at link~

Iraq, more than any other issue, has contributed to the divisiveness in politics today. And on that issue, Lieberman and Boehner have acquiesced to a failing, unpopular Bush policy while demeaning those who sought to change it:

Lieberman:

Critics of Bush’s Iraq war strategy are engaging “in a kind of harassment.” <4/12/07>

Ned Lamont’s primary win “will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England.” <8/10/06>

I fear that this resolution …will encourage the enemy. <1/30/07>

Boehner:

provides a road map for terrorists. … It is a danger to both our troops engaged in combat and to the long-term security interests of American families. <3/22/07>

Unfortunately, the Democrats latest plan is an old twist on an old adage: failure at any cost. … Democrats are using the critical troop funding bill to micromanage the war on terror — undermining our generals on the ground and slowly choking off resources for our troops. <3/8/07>

People who oppose escalation are taking the “bait” of “al Qaeda and terrorist sympathizers” by using Iraq to “divide us here at home.” <2/13/07>

Digg It!

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LIEBERMAN: I want to talk personally about this in two ways. One, to suggest that public opinion may not be totally as clear — as John suggested — as the polls show, which is that, yeah, the public is frustrated about the war. So are we. The public wants to get out as soon as possible. So do we. I don’t think the American people want to lose this war because I think they understand the consequences, and they certainly don’t want to undercut our troops in the field. Also, just to echo what John said, this is war, this is one the great responsibilities we are given as elected officials. We can’t hold our finger in the air or read public opinion polls to tell us where to go. My God, if those who preceded us had done that, forget where we’d be today, we wouldn’t be a nation, we wouldn’t be free today, you can go back over it. But let me go to last year real quickly, in my case. Obviously, the Democratic primary was mostly about one issue, the war. I felt so strongly about it I wasn’t going to change. I lost, I went on. If the people of Connecticut — if last year’s election in Connecticut was only about the Iraq war, I would have lost because the public opinion polls show clearly a majority in Connecticut are opposed to the war. But, you know, I made an appeal to the people. I said, I’m not going to promise you we’re going to agree all the time. I’m going to promise you I’m going to stand up for what I believe is right and I’m going to work across party lines to get things done. And they were good enough Democrats, independents, and Republicans — particularly the latter two groups — to give me their support to continue. And I do think there is a larger message here for our politics. I think the public is fed up. They feel that both the political parties, mostly because of the primaries, maybe because of attack ads, the kind of divisiveness of the cable news coverage of politics, talk radio, the bloggers have added another dimension of vituperation toxicity to it. The majority of people are sick of it. They think our political system is sick. I will just end with this warning that if the two major — the fastest growing political party in america is that no party. people are registering as an event is because they are fed up with — they don’t see them in the two major parties and they are sick of the kerri, the partisanship and on civility and i think if the two major parties wouldn’t hear this going into ‘08, there is a real chance of an independent third-party candidacy. and watch out if that happens.

BOEHNER: one of the points you make is — where does all the partisanship come from? the breakdown in america and — you could argue which came first the chicken or the eydie has invent the nafta campaigns. Or has it been this increasing polarization that we’ve seen over the last 20 years driven by 24-hour news networks, talk radio, blogs — they’ve got to have something there, so there is more information out in the public realm than there ever was, and some of it is to drive one point of versus other, dividing people more and more, and then you’ve got every interest group known to man out there drumming up their issues, on one side or the other. And while there may be a growing sense of independence of that, i haven’t seen it yet. because the other — when you push and pull and tug the american people it is about 46% republicans, about 46% democrat and about a% middle — so — what i have been trying to do over the last few years is to find ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:10 PM
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1. Lieberman's a little rough on freerepublic, doncha think?
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 10:27 AM
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50. bwahahahahaha
not to mention Lil Green Fascists, Our Lady of the Internment Camps, and all the other toxic denizens of wingnuttia.

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:11 PM
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2. So have two-faced self-aggrandizing whiny ass Neocons masquerading as Democrats...
Just sayin' :think:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:11 PM
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3. Jerkoffs want to restore civility?
Fuck you lieberman and fuck you bonehead. You motherfuckers changed the tone in America. Your fucking monster of a hero ray-gun got rid of the fairness doctrine, that was liking raping the constitution and the result was limbaugh and hannity. I got your other dimension hanging right here. Clean up your own fucking house. Civility in discourse went down proportionately to the rise in right wing hate radio and the republican party. You fuckers become civil, I'll follow your lead.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 05:11 PM
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19. I can always count on you, BOSSHOG.
If I ever need to find the proper tone with which to address my local neocon repuke in good, old-fashioned, easy-to-understand terms, I will consult the nearest Navy Chief!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:20 PM
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21. I am humbled at your confidence My Friend!
Not too many years ago I was a very kind, quiet kinda guy (former Sailors might object to my characterization.) I no longer tolerate ignorance and hate in the guise of patriotism.

Fair Winds and Following Seas to you as we good guys strive for peace.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:23 PM
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23. Indeed, BH. Indeed.
Such hypocrisy for lieberscum to talk about civility, the backstabbing fascist piece of shit!

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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:12 PM
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4. I find it funny that the party traitor and the Boner have the gall to mention vitriol
Lieberman has no conscience. He lied to CT voters and scammed them into thinking he would stay a Democrat on issues other than the war. Ever since the election he has has Rove's arm up his ass on EVERY issue. Can anyone remember a SINGLE issue this term that Lieberman has sided with Dems on?

And Boner... of all the people to speak of partisanship. This is the prick who continually contends that Democrats want terrorists to win!

Fuck both of those assholes!

Rp
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:36 PM
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31. Yeah, it's pretty ironic
They, however, are irony impaired.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:12 PM
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5. Whining Joe sounds like he's fishing for a 3rd party nomination.
"And they were good enough Democrats, independents, and Republicans — particularly the latter two groups — to give me their support to continue."

"...going into ‘08, there is a real chance of an independent third-party candidacy. and watch out if that happens."
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:32 PM
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41. A third-party candidacy? Is that a threat or a PROMISE, Holy Joe?
I'd really enjoy seeing that...it would give Al Gore an even bigger landslide than he'll get anyway. I hope he means it...but he probably doesn't.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:14 PM
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6. Well, Boehner
You are a total failure. You are as disagreeable to me as can be. You are a partisan hack who will probably wind up in prison just like your predecessor, Delay.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:15 PM
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7. Someone should've pointed out that bloggers are citizens expressing
Edited on Mon Apr-30-07 03:16 PM by Marr
their opinions and reporting on facts. If he doesn't like that, perhaps he should see about getting a time machine and moving to 1700's England.

Whenever I hear politicians or pundits- but especially politicians- belittle the blogs, they seem like the modern version of the opponents of the printing press. This is the exact same thing. Only a very specific sort of autocrat could be against the proliferation of populist media.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:15 PM
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8. Hey Lieberman - can you define 'vituperation toxicity'?
Didn't think so.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:16 PM
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9. I got your Vituperation right here on-line
Go fuck yourselves
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:17 PM
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10. Go lick a boot, Joe. nm
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:19 PM
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11. What you mean bloggers
say things like "Joe Lieberman is a meth addicted pederast"? They would never say such things. I mean I've heard that Joe routinely has sex with dead barnyard animals, but I do not believe a word of it.
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Beacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:26 PM
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12. Another "Smelly Peasants Are Ruining Our Ball" Whine fest
against bloggers and the interwebs

:eyes:

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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 12:02 AM
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47. Thank you for the best laugh I've had all day.
:hi:
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Beacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 09:48 AM
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49. Hi Back Atcha
I live to serve

:hi:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:39 PM
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13. Joe is out of the loop a bit.. Someone tell him about radio..He musta missed that invention
:)
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:47 PM
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14. I think the country would be better served IF
we got rid of the MSM and gave over reporting the news to the internet and their bloggers. We would have more truth be told.
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va4wilderness Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 04:09 PM
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15. Wow (lol)
Leiberman at American Enterprise Institute throwing around big scary five-syllable words.

:P

"The majority of people are sick of it. They think our political system is sick." Well it got that way because of Limbaugh and Delay and Bush and now you, Joe..... We're just fighting back.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 04:32 PM
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16. They can go to bloody hell..
Accusing your political opponents of 'encouraging the enemy' and equating their victories with those of 'terrorists' is pretty low. Yes, I'm sure Bin Laden is really interested in who gets to be senator for Connecticut - NOT.

And all the evidence is that the STUPID policies of Bush and Blair, etc. have made the risk of terrorism much, much worse in the world as a whole.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 04:34 PM
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17. WHAT?
***** Lieberman blamed “attack ads, the kind of divisiveness of the cable news coverage of politics, talk radio,” and bloggers who “have added another dimension of vituperation toxicity to it.”****

Attack ads! JOE you were the KING of attack ads during the fall campaign.

What a fucking asshole. :mad:
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 04:34 PM
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18. Thar Joe blows
And if Lieberwurst thinks he has a chance in hell of being that third party candidate, he'd better up his medication & have his adenoids removed.

Didn't I read earlier today that he can't understand why the majority of us aren't more upset at Islamic extremism than at the fact that our country & everything we thought we stood for is being destroyed by the WH flacks to whose butts he has his big mouth attached?

Seeing Joe in the formerly venerated halls of our Congress is one of the few things that makes me want to belt Bill Clinton in the mouth. Thanks Bill & Hilary.

:banghead:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 05:30 PM
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20. Is it a vituperatively slow news day? Why are we paying any attention
to Joe's senseless and self-important blatherings?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:48 PM
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33. Because it's a chance to mock him
and there are few politicians who deserve mocking more than Lie berman. We need to mock him out of political existence.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:53 PM
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36. This is true--there is no one more mock-worthy, aside from Rove, Chimpy and Shooter.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:22 PM
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22. "at the American Enterprise Institute" - but nooooo, he's not a neocon at all, nope.
</ignorant enabling DLC puke>

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:56 PM
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37. I didn't catch that ......thanks .....DLC chairmans Harold and Joe
are is it Harold and Maude?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:29 PM
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24. Joe Wah Wah will start a third party with McCain to try and help the GOP.
Edited on Mon Apr-30-07 07:30 PM by Rex
Joe flipped years ago, so did John. These two need to run together, two of the biggest piles of shit ever to sit in Congress. Oops, such horrible talk, must be the video games. :eyes:

Loser Joe and Ronald McCain would be the biggest failure ticket ever! They will do what they can to help the criminals, bank on it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:35 PM
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25. lieman has BLOOD on his
grubby little hands..I'd say that trumps the bloggers calling joe lieberman on it.
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:42 PM
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26. Joe has reached so far over party lines
that he has ended up ON THE OTHER SIDE. Rat bastard.
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:45 PM
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27. Something like this would never happen if we had more illiterate people

answered it by lamenting how blogs and other outlets have put “more information out in the public realm than there ever was
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:47 PM
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28. Bloggers have added truth and the voice of average citizens to the politcal debate
Holy Joe can't handle the truth and doesn't want to listen to what average citizens say.





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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:07 PM
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29. HEY JOE the HO
Edited on Mon Apr-30-07 08:14 PM by symbolman
Have a look at THIS FLASH I made Just for YOU..

http://www.tbtmradio.com/video/joeblows.swf

SEE Joe for the "Dummy" he is. He changes like the Wolfman into a ventriloquest dummy, just like he's doing NOW. :)

I'm still looking for the link, where I got him to say in person, "I'll Take Back the Media!"

Which is my site :)

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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:08 PM
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30. Can't take the heat HoeJoe?
Dive into the toilet. :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts:
Your problem Joe is that you can finally see what people really think of you. Denial just can't get it done for you anymore.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:46 PM
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32. Yep, the problem with politics is that people, American people
are able to voice their opinions. Hey, Lieberman, I guess it would be easier if we had a dictatorship, eh? As long as you were the dictator, huh?
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:59 PM
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34. Boy he's a real man of the people, isn't he? This comment is a gem:
He asked innocently, “Where does all the partisanship come from?” and answered it by lamenting how blogs and other outlets have put “more information out in the public realm than there ever was, and some of it is to drive one point of versus other, dividing people more and more.” He called this the “breakdown of America.”

This is one of the places where Chomsky's analysis is dead on accurate. What terrifies people like Lieberman the most is the idea of an informed public with easy access to information that may actually cause them to do crazy things like: think for themselves, develop opinions that run contrary to the goals of the ruling class, etc. The masses need to be kept at far away from input into governing as possible, kept pacified.

Shut up and consume. That's the role of the majority in what we almost farcically call a "democracy."

So Lieberman basically say that the "breakdown of America" is due to "more information out in the public realm than there ever was." Wow. It's always refreshing when you can hear someone be really honest and tell you flat out just how much they utterly disdain the masses.

There may be a handful of good people fighting for a better government, but that doesn't change the fact that our basic system today is not a democracy, its not even a "representative republic." It is an oligarchy.

And every once in a while, if you pay attention, you'll hear someone let it slip and say so.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:53 PM
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45. I tried to get more information out there about Joe
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/39

I think we would agree though, that sometimes what is on blogs, such as freeRepublic or various RW blogs, is not information - it is propaganda, it is hysteria, it is paranoia, it is hate-speech. On DU too, many times the message is to distrust and disrespect Republicans - they are ignorant fanatics. We cannot talk to them, except to tell them off. We cannot have them as friends, family or spouses, can barely tolerate them as co-workers.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:01 PM
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35. Love me! Love me! Love me!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:11 PM
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38. SCHMUCK! PUTZ!
Wish I knew more Yiddish.

-Hoot
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:42 PM
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42. You don't need to know more Yiddish...those two words will do just fine!
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:22 PM
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39. c'mon, joe....
....it's called free speech....I just want to 'stand up for what I believe is right' too....

....guys like you, who get elected to public office and think they have a god-given right to feed at the public trough for life, can kiss my ass....sorry joe, we only need and love you for your vote and influence....

....and when you choose not to use your vote and influence wisely, we tend to get a little miffed....conservatives/pukes/corporate-lackys (your friends, joe) invented this style of 'personnal annihilation' politics and now that the shoe is returning to our foot, I'm thinking now is not the time to make love and kissy with the pukes....

....again joe, whos' interests are you really serving?....is it really the peoples?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:25 PM
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40. He's Still Got That Ole 'HO-Mentum' !!!
Face it Joe... most Americans don't like you, and most Isrealis don't like you.

Time to resign and write your book.

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:45 PM
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43. Another old out-of-touch fart who is used to dealing with media whores.
Edited on Mon Apr-30-07 10:45 PM by Atman
He's always known that he'll get a quick stroke-job from Timmy and Chris and the usual gang of whores...now he has to deal with a media he can't control and he's worried his warts will be exposed.



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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:53 PM
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44. Lieberman and Boehner are going to restore civility in politics
Edited on Mon Apr-30-07 10:54 PM by mmonk
and they said it at the AEI?
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fighttheevilempire Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:53 PM
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46. If By "vituperation toxicity" you mean truth, I agree. nm.
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MurrayDelph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 12:19 AM
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48. Okay, if you want to raise the civility of the speech:
I don't know what movie this is from, but my late mother used to quote it frequently.

Joe, "when thee gets back to thine home in the kennel, I hope thy mother bites thee!"
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