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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 08:30 PM
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Lieutenant General Odom, U.S. Army, retired......the REAL straight talk express
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Former_general_declares_Bush_has_gone_0428.html

"The challenge we face today is not how to win in Iraq; it is how to recover from a strategic mistake: invading Iraq in the first place. The war could never have served American interests.

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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 08:36 PM
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1. Wow! Now if someone will only pay attention to him.
It is too much to expect the President or Vice President to - they will simply dismiss his comments like they dismiss everything else.

But I do think that Congress is paying close attention now - and that gives me some hope.

David Brooks said the other night that the Republicans (even tho they don't care for Bush anymore) are waiting to see if the surge gets results. He said if it doesn't then we will begin to see the Republicans start to move against Bush. I have a feeling that Bush's new timetable for the surge - not checking on things until September - will go over like a lead balloon.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 08:39 PM
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2. One quibble. It was not a "mistake". It was done on PURPOSE
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 08:39 PM by SoCalDem
a mistake is ordering "spicy" in a Chinese restaurant because you don't know what the little red star means..

or buying those green shoes, because you are sure they will match the purse you already have.. (they NEVER match :grr:)

INVADING a country, is always on purpose, unless you are Lichtenstein :)
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 08:46 PM
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3. I wonder if he is related to Gen. Delk M. Odom.
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 08:47 PM by DemoTex
Gen. Delk M. Odom pinned my wings on my uniform in May 1970, with my proud parents there on the stage (I was the Distinguished Graduate of Class 70-11!). Next thing I knew, I was in Viet Nam, Republic of ....!

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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 08:56 PM
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4. He wrote one of the best articles on why we should get out of Iraq now
Disspells the myths on why we have to stay:

Cut and Run? You Bet!

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If we leave, there will be a civil war. In reality, a civil war in Iraq began just weeks after U.S. forces toppled Saddam. Any close observer could see that then; today, only the blind deny it. Even President Bush, who is normally impervious to uncomfortable facts, recently admitted that Iraq has peered into the abyss of civil war. He ought to look a little closer. Iraqis are fighting Iraqis. Insurgents have killed far more Iraqis than Americans. That’s civil war.

Withdrawal will encourage the terrorists. True, but that is the price we are doomed to pay. Our continued occupation of Iraq also encourages the killers—precisely because our invasion made Iraq safe for them. Our occupation also left the surviving Baathists with one choice: Surrender, or ally with al Qaeda. They chose the latter. Staying the course will not change this fact. Pulling out will most likely result in Sunni groups’ turning against al Qaeda and its sympathizers, driving them out of Iraq entirely.

Before U.S. forces stand down, Iraqi security forces must stand up. The problem in Iraq is not military competency; it is political consolidation. Iraq has a large officer corps with plenty of combat experience from the Iran-Iraq war. Moktada al-Sadr’s Shiite militia fights well today without U.S. advisors, as do Kurdish pesh merga units. The problem is loyalty. To whom can officers and troops afford to give their loyalty? The political camps in Iraq are still shifting. So every Iraqi soldier and officer today risks choosing the wrong side. As a result, most choose to retain as much latitude as possible to switch allegiances. All the U.S. military trainers in the world cannot remove that reality. But political consolidation will. It should by now be clear that political power can only be established via Iraqi guns and civil war, not through elections or U.S. colonialism by ventriloquism.

Setting a withdrawal deadline will damage the morale of U.S. troops. Hiding behind the argument of troop morale shows no willingness to accept the responsibilities of command. The truth is, most wars would stop early if soldiers had the choice of whether or not to continue. This is certainly true in Iraq, where a withdrawal is likely to raise morale among U.S. forces. A recent Zogby poll suggests that most U.S. troops would welcome an early withdrawal deadline. But the strategic question of how to extract the United States from the Iraq disaster is not a matter to be decided by soldiers. Carl von Clausewitz spoke of two kinds of courage: first, bravery in the face of mortal danger; second, the willingness to accept personal responsibility for command decisions. The former is expected of the troops. The latter must be demanded of high-level commanders, including the president.

Withdrawal would undermine U.S. credibility in the world. Were the United States a middling power, this case might hold some water. But for the world’s only superpower, it’s patently phony. A rapid reversal of our present course in Iraq would improve U.S. credibility around the world. The same argument was made against withdrawal from Vietnam. It was proved wrong then and it would be proved wrong today. Since Sept. 11, 2001, the world’s opinion of the United States has plummeted, with the largest short-term drop in American history. The United States now garners as much international esteem as Russia. Withdrawing and admitting our mistake would reverse this trend. Very few countries have that kind of corrective capacity. I served as a military attaché in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow during Richard Nixon’s Watergate crisis. When Nixon resigned, several Soviet officials who had previously expressed disdain for the United States told me they were astonished. One diplomat said, “Only your country is powerful enough to do this. It would destroy my country.”

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http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3430
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