I support airport body scanners, if the images are not stored for later use

[ohiodemocratic]

I see no negative effect on privacy if images cannot be stored for later use. Terrorist attacks won't stop, but it will be more difficult to pass through security with a bomb or other deadly weapon.

As soon as the person in charge of the scanner determines that X passenger does not represent a threat, the image should be deleted.

[enlightenment]

1. The ask yourself how they captured those images

that they show as examples in all the press releases and articles on the subject.

If an image can be captured, it can be stored.

Not arguing with you - you're welcome to support the use of the machines.

[eleny]

2. You trust authorities to be honest?

:rofl:

[ohiodemocratic]

4. I'm assuming they will be honest

Although you're right in not trusting them much. The government has breached our trust several times in the past.

[Fumesucker]

8. Every single time = several?

:rofl:

Offhand I can't think of a time the government hasn't eventually abused our trust.

[woo me with science]

25. C'mon, they're busy. Do you think they have TIME to do anything with the images?

:sarcasm: (per one poster's defense of SPYCAM)

[hlthe2b]

3. Why support expensive intrusive technology... which does not work!

It has been shown that liquid bomb components such as the shoe and underwear bombers had, would not show up, nor would anything within the body cavity. More bomb sniffing dogs in high risk settings makes sense... Widely expanding these scanners, does not IMO.

[Ozymanithrax]

5. So, you walk through a scanner...

The scanner shows you in all your nude glory...

The guy behind the terminal laughs, and takes a picture with his phone...

He then emails that picture to everyone on is list...

There is no way to guarantee the images won't make it out. But that isn't the issue.

What reasonable cause to they have to search your body right down to the skin?

Is it a real deterrent to someone that wants to put C3 in his jockstrap or her bra?

I am a free person and I do not accept unreasonable search and seizure of any information about me. If there is a slight chance that some idiot will detonate a bomb in his pants, I accept that danger. Freedom is inherently dangerous. Those who can not accept the danger should remove themselves to a less free environment where they can pretend to feel safe.

[rfranklin]

6. Naked images of movie star printed....

UPDATE: Scannergate: Facts Contradict Heathrow Claim That Naked Images Can’t Be Printed

Claims on behalf of authorities that naked body scanner images are immediately destroyed after passengers pass through new x-ray backscatter devices have been proven fraudulent after it was revealed that naked images of Indian film star Shahrukh Khan were printed out and circulated by airport staff at Heathrow in London.

UK Transport Secretary Lord Adonis said last week that the images produced by the scanners were deleted “immediately” and airport staff carrying out the procedure are fully trained and supervised.

“It is very important to stress that the images which are captured by body scanners are immediately deleted after the passenger has gone through the body scanner,” Adonis told the London Evening Standard.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/exposed-naked-body-scanner-images-of-film-star-printed-circulated.html

[noamnety]

7. I view peeping toms as an invasion of my privacy

even when they don't snap pictures for later use.

"On 12-18-09 at approximately 5:50 PM, Jason Michael Cottis, 37, was placed under arrest for using a mirror to look up females’ skirts at Target located at 1800 E Rio Salado, Tempe.

On 12-18-09 Tempe Police Officers responded to Target located at 1800 E Rio Salado Parkway Tempe after receiving a call from store security stating that a white male in his 20’s had a mirror in a hand basket and was looking up the skirts of female customers."

No pictures taken or stored. No negative effect on privacy?

[Odin2005]

9. Ben Franklin is rolling in his grave

"those who would give up Essential Liberty for Temporary Security deserve neither and will lose both."

[Posteritatis]

16. And this doesn't even provide the temporary security. (nt)

[glowing]

10. Good for you.. Most people don't walk outside naked for a reason. but be my guest, go ahead.

[RainDog]

11. I never want you in a position to decide issues of privacy

because you obviously do not get it.

[Coyote_Bandit]

12. I'm more interested

in completely avoiding commercial airlines......

[Dr.Phool]

13. Wait until they claim it's a medical check-up. And charge you for it.

Then your health insurer can deny payment.

:rofl:

[CrispyQ]

17. ...

:rofl:

[Warpy]

14. I'm an old woman

so they'll be paying their penance when I step through one of those things.

I don't mind those so much. I do mind having a laptop confiscated by DHS just because they can.

[Don Caballero]

15. I would take these body scanners use a step further

and use them at other soft targets in the USA. Places like malls and sports stadiums are always mentioned by terrorists as potential targets. Implementing these scanners at the entrances of such buildings would make us much safer.

[DrCory]

24. Malls?? And operated by whom, mall security? N/T

[Don Caballero]

28. Of course not

Either DHS or a new agency would operate the body scanners in malls and sports arenas.

[DrCory]

36. Big fan of DHS, eh?

Really now, this must be a joke. You can't honestly advocate full-body scanners be installed in EVERY mall in the USA and that it be mandatory for EVERY individual wishing to enter that mall be scanned.

Nope, not believing you are sincere.

[Occulus]

45. Believe it.

Don has taken far rightwing views here for several years now. I had him on ignore for at least two years for that very reason.

[Don Caballero]

47. Don't think so.

I have only been a member of DU since last summer.

[WinkyDink]

30. You forgot the *sarcasm" tag. Unless you really do want that h.s. kid workin' at the mall

to check the nekkid pic of your daughter/wife/sister/self.

[Forkboy]

34. There's a shock.

[11 Bravo]

18. I guess I've spent too much time in locker rooms, barracks, and hospitals.

I honestly don't care who sees me naked.

[WinkyDink]

31. And our civil rights are all about YOU. Get back to me when you get your colostomy bag.

See how you like THAT on film.

[Generic Other]

19. And why not monitor us remotely through our home webcams as well?

Forcing all passengers to get yet another unhealthy dose of radiation from x-rays. If it isn't healthy for babies and pregnant women, I don't think it's healthy for me.

Today they say "ALL SAFE--NO WORRIES." Next month, the scientists will release new findings telling us about the negative effects on our health. I don't trust the machines. I don't trust the operators.

They can't erase that fact.

[customerserviceguy]

20. Being as I used to frequent a clothing-optional beach

I have no qualms about the machines, either, but I still think that the wrong approach is being used.

I'd rather just pay a hundred bucks for a "trusted traveler" ID that would be linked to a retina scan or some other form of quick verification. As soon as I slipped the card into the machine, squinted into it, and was verified, I'd be able to be on my merry way, and my luggage along with me in the baggage compartment.

Treating everyone like a terrorist is just a waste of resources on those who are clearly not, and an underuse of resources on those who are.

[katandmoon]

21. Of course images can be stored for later use, and of course they can't and won't be kept private

That would kind of defeat the whole point.

[havocmom]

22. Did I read the scanners miss some types of explosives?

I think sniffy dogs are safer, more reliable, less likely to sell images of celebrities to tabloids. Dogs have very little image storage rooms. Your privacy is safe with them.

[JTFrog]

39. They have a hard time with liquid, powders, low-density materials or items inside the body.

But hey, at $100 million a piece and 2,100 security lanes in the US, surely they are only worried about safety and not profit. :shrug:

[havocmom]

44. $100 million each and they miss explosives? Well SOMEBODY gets their shorts blown for that kinda $$$

How many K9/Human partner teams would that kind of money pay for?

Like in recent wars, contractors get to sell questionable hardware rather than taxpayers footing bill for actual boots on the ground that would work better.

[seabeyond]

23. i dont care if they stick a gloved hand up our ass as long as they dont enjoy it.

rollin eyes

anything to "feel" safe, right?

[lpbk2713]

26. Airport body scanners just give Larry Craig another place to hang out.

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[Stephanie]

27. I went thru JFK security last weekend.

The Arab family ahead of me were all sent to the full body scanners, including the three year old girl and five year old boy, 12 & 14 yo boys, two adult men and two adult women. Two families traveling, and even the smallest child was given the full body scan. Everyone else in line, that I saw, including myself, was not required to go thru the scanner.

[WinkyDink]

33. What's your point? There are a zillion stories of NON-Arabs, old women, kids, being searched.

One recently was a FOUR-YEAR-OLD NON-ARAB boy on leg braces, who was told---or rather, his father was told---to REMOVE THEM.

[Stephanie]

38. Just reporting what I witnessed.

What's your point?

[WinkyDink]

29. IT ISN'T A MATTER OF "YOUR" PERSONAL OPINION. Nude beaches, barracks, NOT THE POINT.

Good god. I can't believe posters here are trying to argue a civil rights matter on the basis of whether they themselves would care.

"Separate fountains? Hey, it never bothered ME!"
"I LIKE the back of the bus!"
"Gay marriage? I'm gay, and not being married is fine with me and my partner."
"The Feds want to spy on me? Fine! I have nothing to hide!"

Then there is the "little" matter of NOBODY KNOWS the EFFECTS all this radiation will have.

But hey---y'all go thorugh and be seen and radiated, 'cause I gave up flying a while back.

[libodem]

32. I think the projection

should be turned around so everybody you are in line with can see how big your dick is. Better yet instead of just taking off your shoes you should strip in front of every one and do a few ballet moves. Put your heels together and bend your knees. Yes siree, bob, money shots from all the grandmothers.....


Some rich influential fucker no doubt has stock in the scanning company.


Fuck the constitution and the right to any sort of privacy.

[WinkyDink]

35. It's just a g-d piece of paper.

[Stinky The Clown]

37. They serve NO purpose apart from pacifying or intimidating the poulace.

Either effect has the same effective result. Docility.

[DainBramaged]

40. (sigh) I support cameras in your home to watch your every move

what's next, bathroom cams to preven the 'terraists' from taking an explosive shit?

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[ohiodemocratic]

49. when did I call Obama "wimpresident"?

And you cropped my statement. I stated there is one condition under which I would support airport body scanners--if the images aren't stored for later use.

[JTFrog]

50. I momentarily confused you with another pseudo liberal.

For someone who runs around saying "us on the left", taking a position supporting invasion of privacy is ridiculous.

I still find your user name interesting. Ohiodemocratic. Makes sense I guess for someone who says they are in New York, doesn't seem to understand the basic principles of the Democratic party and can't vote. :shrug:

[RB TexLa]

42. How about getting rid of most all the new security and accept that from time to time

there will be attacks. Are we really so egotistical that we think our lives are worth spending billions and billions to protect?

[Orsino]

43. I fully support the rights of perverts to photograph me through my bathroom window...

...as long as they first promise me that there's no film in the camera.

[Gormy Cuss]

46. Full body scanners won't stop terrorist attacks. In fact, it's doubtful that they're cost-effective

as a tool for reducing risk. Still want that full body scan?

[libodem]

48. Look I'm in line with pencil dick