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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:39 PM Original message |
Nuclear Energy???? Clean Coal??? W. T. F? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. But, but, but that's not bipartisan. nt |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Nuclear energy is part of the Democratic platform. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Bury the waste in your phucking backyard |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. +1 Where's all the radioactive waste going to go when they run out of space? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Run out of space really? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I live in Nevada |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Well that is a different argument. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
51. People have to live on this planet, stop defending poisoning it. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
129. Just as long as it doesn't come here |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
46. In 75 years most of this nuclear fuel might also be recycled. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. no question, come on, you sound like a business person |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. These externalized costs are much lower than those of coal... |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I am pretty sure I do not have a fragile desert ecosystem on my roof. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
100. If nuclear power is so safe why is the nuclear power industry trying to force taxpayers to pay |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #100 |
110. You don't. Please educate yourself. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #110 |
118. When corporations and our government harm people they often avoid paying. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #100 |
112. Excellent question. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
49. Check out how long it takes before your nuclear investment starts |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Yup because money is all that matters. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Statistical, that was a weak response. All costs should be considered. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
54. Yucca wouldn't hold what we have now |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
125. Yes, run out of space. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Ah, a NIMBYist. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. How about NIABY? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #29 |
48. HFPS, I have a Bachelor of Science and taught biology, chemistry and physical science. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
69. My anti-science rhetoric? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Is it my job to point out every time you spout nonsense? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. No, but you should at least try to not post nonsense yourself. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. You consider that absurdity do you? Then bury it in your backyard. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. It's even more absurd that you couldn't spell out "fucking." |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. HFPS, I used that misspelling purposefully, don't expect you to understand. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. I know, that's my point. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Your point is that you are here to confuse? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I think you were confused long before I got here. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. HFPS, be who you are, but don't expect everyone to indulge you |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
122. Huh? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. Good catch. |
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ParkieDem (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
84. And it should be. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. France has what fraction of our size and population? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. ~20% |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
113. +10000 |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
123. Wow. The only issue besides coal and drilling where you'll find true bipartisanship. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. +1 |
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liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. I agree. It's not perfect, but... |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. Point taken. We set our bar too low and too many DU'ers are grading on the Bush curve. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. I agree. nt |
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t0dd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. And offshore drilling? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
81. I laughed at that one. Obama was just saying that "All your power are belong to us". |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. When running for Senate he got big bucks from the nuke industry. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
64. Exelon, a big nuclear power company, is headquartered in Illinois. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
71. They probably gave his campaign money because they liked his energy policies |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Or, it can be visa versa. |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. I cringe at the phrase 'clean coal'... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. it's a lie |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. SnoopDog |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Sir, these are technologies that harm everything... |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. SnoopDog |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
82. Wind power sustaining life? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Are not solutions to the bird kill problem being tested? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
70. If there were no other alternatives, your argument wouldn't be wasted effort. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
68. +1 |
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Martin Eden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
124. Yeah, that was the low point for me. |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. "Clean Coal" makes me sick... ugh. nt |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. NO. "It means making tough decisions about opening new offshore areas for oil and gas development." |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
10. Fuck that shit |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. The nuke/clean coal statement is the only Bull-ony thing he has said... |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
93. Need to listen more closely then. |
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Alias Dictus Tyrant (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. Clinton stopped geothermal development |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Not True... |
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Alias Dictus Tyrant (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I'm talking about geothermal power *in* Nevada |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Please show where geothermal permits are being 'denied' since Clinton? |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. Amen. nt |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
19. Don't forget offshore drilling! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
21. Nuclear is very good. Clean Coal, on the other hand, is a fucking oxymoron. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
42. Nuclear is good if we can bury the waste from extracting it and reacting it in your back yard- |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
24. Disagree - NUCLEAR YES - COAL NO. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
26. Weel, you know, wind, tide, and sun is finite. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:23 AM Response to Original message |
27. And wave power |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
28. Listen, we need it all. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
128. Do you know the cradle to grave time & $ of a nuclear power plant versus |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:42 AM Response to Original message |
31. we are going to need something to power all of those electric cars... |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Cannot sustain today's usage of electricity with... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. No need to design new nuclear reactors. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. you still have to extract the radioactive stuff and then dispose of waste. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Of course you do. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
96. This is the conservative argument. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #96 |
108. There are many luddite conservatives. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. I acknowledged that, who wouldn't? You are arguing falsely. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
37. James Lovelock supports Nuclear Energy, says it is the only green energy. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
38. dupe |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
39. My only complaint with nuclear is its cost. Ontario spent itself into a big hole |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
41. Sorry, but the Industrialized World can NOT move into Green Technology without Coal. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
58. Kitty, your fact is arguable. Externalizing costs, coal is cheaper. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
44. I wonder what Gore thinks of this bullshit. |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
47. those nuke and coal Barons have a lot of money = power and |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
50. There is no such thing as clean coal. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Obama knows that but he's saying what the coal companies told him to. |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I know, and that's what kills me a little every day. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I haven't seen that commercial and if I did it would probably piss me off. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
55. President Obama proves "brilliant" people can be stupid about energy. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. He's a lawyer, not a scientist. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
61. It needs to all be hooked up - 'the grid' is just what gets it there, it's the energy matrix... |
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-wulf- (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
66. Tired of hearing about solar |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Tell that to the countries that are not in denial. |
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-wulf- (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. Ok.. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. You are thinking small and you ignored my argument about externalizing costs. |
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-wulf- (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. and to where |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. You have no idea what you are talking about. |
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-wulf- (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Alright. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. -wulf- you are so full of vaguery and conservative nonsense |
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-wulf- (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Seriously |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #107 |
116. Not expose as much as, know where from you speak |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #103 |
131. So now you make accusations when you can't counter his arguments. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #97 |
130. Is that a part of your argument. He made some good points I'd love to see your counter. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
94. Your "$10,000 per kw" # is a 'price per oil barrel' measurement used *by* the oil industry... |
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-wulf- (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. N/T |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. No, I don't see that. Please tell us for whom you speak. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Yeah, you're probably right, there is no return on solar - I'm sure that's why China just dumped... |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. +1 |
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-wulf- (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. East cost |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Well I hear you, and there's allot of good people trying to put this all together but don't confuse |
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-wulf- (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. actually |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. That's how it is here with SMUD, but as an over-arching matter energy... |
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-wulf- (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. optional |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
73. "clean coal" and "off-shore drilling" disturbed me deeply |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
77. The ONLY answer, huh? Glad you are not in charge. |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
79. oh don't worry. |
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jonathon (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
111. You left out EXPANDED OFF SHORE DRILLING |
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arthritisR_US (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
115. yep, I thought the very same as you. n/t |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
121. Safe nuclear and clean coal are oxymorons |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
126. Throwing that dog a bone Snoop |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
132. FYI: Spanish wind farms = the equivalent of 11 nuke power plants' worth of electricity last Nov. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-29-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Such a worhless and misleading stat. |
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