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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 11:05 AM
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Bush: If You Judge My Iraq Strategy By The Number Of Violent Attacks, The Terrorists Win
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http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/25/bush-bombs/

Bush: If You Judge My Iraq Strategy By The Number Of Violent Attacks, The Terrorists Win

In an interview last night on PBS, President Bush complained that people who measure progress in Iraq by how many car bombs and suicide attacks occur are giving a “huge victory” to the enemy by making it more difficult for him to promote the war to the American public.

“If the standard of success is no car bombings or suicide bombings,” Bush said, “we have just handed those who commit suicide bombings a huge victory.” He repeated later that people who “judge the administration’s plan” based on such acts of violence “have just given Al Qaida or any other extremist a significant victories .”

Bush said that these images of brutal violence on television are “one of the problems I face in trying to convince the American people” that the war is worthwhile. Watch it at link~

Another reason President Bush doesn’t want to talk about suicide bombings: they’ve increased 30 percent over the past six weeks despite the escalation, according to U.S. military data.



Transcript:

ROSE: There is no question on their part and on your part that catastrophe worse than it is today is inevitable if there’s not a political solution and if the United States pulls out in the near term.

BUSH: Well, first of all, you said this is a catastrophe worse today. You know, it is….

ROSE: Well, there’s sectarian violence that is of a certain level.

BUSH: It is, but it’s significantly lower than it was a couple of months ago.

ROSE: And is there an acceptable level of violence?

BUSH: Well, that’s the question to the Iraqi people. That’s a fascinating question. I mean, there is an acceptable level of violence in certain societies around the world. And the question is, you know, what is that level? That’s where the experts come in. You know, you and I can’t determine that sitting here in New York, but we can ask people’s advice upon it. David Petraeus is — would have an opinion on that. Ryan Crocker, our ambassador in Iraq. That’s a very interesting way of putting the question. Because all — there is an acceptable level of violence in all societies. Even our own.

ROSE: And where do you…

BUSH: Even though all violence needs to be abhorred — nevertheless, there is, you know, there’s certain violence, levels of violence that people say, well, gosh, I can go about my life, I’ve got…

ROSE: We can’t create zero violence is what you’re saying.

BUSH: Well — and by the way, if the standard of success is no car bombings or suicide bombings, we have just handed those who commit suicide bombings a huge victory. In other words, if you say, you know, I’m going to judge the administration’s plan based upon whether they’re able to have no car bombings in Baghdad. We will have just given — because car bombings are hard to stop, or suicide bombings, very hard to stop.

We have just given Al Qaida or any other extremist a significant victories. And that’s one of the problems I face in trying to convince the American people, one, this is doable. In other words, I wouldn’t have our troops there if I didn’t think this is, one, important; and secondly, achievable.

But I also understand on their TV screens, people are saying horrific bombings, and they’re saying to themselves, is this possible? Can we possibly succeed in the face of this kind of violence? And that’s where this enemy, the enemy of moderation, has got a, you know, they’ve got a powerful tool (inaudible).

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 11:09 AM
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1. Uh...
If you judge a murderer based on the number of people he kills, you hand him a great victory.

Far better to count the number of people he hasn't killed.

:eyes:
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 11:14 AM
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2. well, lets look at some other "benchmarks" that the chimp himself chose
How's that oil production coming? Paying for your war yet?
How's the electricity running?
education? health care?
and that Democracy laced with Shite law? Just like texas!
why do the majority of evry sect want us to leave, terrorists or not?

How do we judge the success of this clusterfuck? I know! Iwo Jima was a tough battle too!

I swear, Forrest Gump would make a better president
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 11:16 AM
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3. If you judge it by -ANY- objective standard, the terrorists are winning.
What's yer point, Georgie?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 11:17 AM
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4. he'll never define his terms for the 'success' he says he's seeking
because every end will point up the horrible depths of his fiasco.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 11:22 AM
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5. Hard to believe
just - hard to believe (shakes head).

That this man would be in the White House. The other day, I looked at a Replogle globe of the earth. Twirled it around a little. Stopped at the United States. It's really a big country. I put my hand on it, tried to ponder why Bush & Cheney are running things.

Just couldn't figure it out.

Gave the globe a little spin, before I walked away.
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 11:27 AM
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6. He exploited a series of suicide bombings in the United States
to fuel his drive for empire, and now he wants us to ignore them. Six years ago they were reason for world war; now, they're just "hard to stop."

Suicide bombings hard to stop? He's got firsthand experience in that failure.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 11:41 AM
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7. Wow, is he stupid.
:patriot:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 11:44 AM
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8. Where are these images? Can somebody tell me where to watch, because I'm of the mind that Bush is
MAKING THIS UP, and is REALLY referring to the film HE sees, as CiC.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 12:32 PM
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9. HE's talking about all the suicide bombings that are occurring
during his brain-addled surge attempt, one of the latest resulting in the deaths of 9 soldiers.
He still refuses to acknowledge reality, and doesn't give a shit how much blood is spilled because of that stubbornness.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 12:48 PM
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10. Re-read it and watch the subtle morphing of Bush's point
He goes from "acceptable levels of violence" that reasonable and rational people can have a civilized discussion about, to assigning to his critics the "standard of success" as being "no car bombings or suicide bombings." The result? Bush wins again in his own mind against a non-existent adversary. Is any sane person saying that the only acceptable standard of successs is a completely violence-free Iraq?

Strangely enough, that question doesn't occur to Mr. Rose.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 12:54 PM
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11. you know I hate that arrogant behaviour of this jerk, hate it and hate him
Edited on Wed Apr-25-07 01:04 PM by alyce douglas
what the hell does this mean, we have a crackpot in office, why is this jerk still in office.

don't you find this comment kind of threatening and arrogant?

ROSE: And is there an acceptable level of violence?

BUSH: Well, that’s the question to the Iraqi people. That’s a fascinating question. I mean, there is an acceptable level of violence in certain societies around the world. And the question is, you know, what is that level? That’s where the experts come in. You know, you and I can’t determine that sitting here in New York, but we can ask people’s advice upon it. David Petraeus is — would have an opinion on that. Ryan Crocker, our ambassador in Iraq. That’s a very interesting way of putting the question. Because all — there is an acceptable level of violence in all societies. Even our own.


Geez, what a fuckhead comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what the hell is he saying??? promoting death and destruction as usual.

what the hell is he saying read this, boy, he really underestimates the american people, why does he say TV screens? like we are all imbeciles like him? He really insults my intelligence!!

We have just given Al Qaida or any other extremist a significant victories. And that’s one of the problems I face in trying to convince the American people, one, this is doable. In other words, I wouldn’t have our troops there if I didn’t think this is, one, important; and secondly, achievable.

But I also understand on their TV screens, people are saying horrific bombings, and they’re saying to themselves, is this possible? Can we possibly succeed in the face of this kind of violence? And that’s where this enemy, the enemy of moderation, has got a, you know, they’ve got a powerful tool (inaudible

about that comment: "that's one of the problems I face in trying to convince the American People". Does he equate us as being a problem for him??? trying to convince us, with what his BS?? This guy has got to go!! he is a threat to us, and it seems like we are several steps of our Congress, the more we get on Congress's backs they will know we are pissed to have this man in office.

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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 12:56 PM
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12. Earth to Numbnuts:....Just STFU, enough already! n/t
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 01:10 PM
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13. Is our children learnin'?

"there is an acceptable level of violence.. "

"levels of violence that people say, well, gosh, I can go about my life,,"

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 01:12 PM
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14. reminds when he was on vacation in Crawford and
was bicycling like a two year old, and screamed out I have a life too.

What a arrogant SOB he is!!!
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 01:16 PM
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15. Freakin' idiot! n/t
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