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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:49 AM
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Woman says God is her lawyer
NEWTON, N.J., Jan. 5 (UPI) -- A New Jersey judge must decide whether a woman who refuses to work with her lawyers because she believes God will defend her is competent to stand trial.

Estelle Walker, 50, is charged with starving her children while they were living in a lakefront cabin in New Jersey belonging to her church. She faces four counts of child endangerment.

A three-day hearing in Sussex County Superior Court is scheduled to begin Wednesday, The Star-Ledger of Newark reported. The witnesses include two psychiatrists, one for the defense and one for the prosecution.

Judge Peter Conforti asked Walker why she was not cooperating with her lawyers after they reported she would not talk to them.

"God will defend me," she answered.

Walker, a resident of the borough of Brooklyn, N.Y., moved to the cabin on Lake Hopatcong belonging to Times Square Church in 2005 to get away from an allegedly abusive husband. She refused to move out in 2006, saying God and told her to stay there, and the church moved to evict her.

Investigators said Walker's children often went without food for days at a time.

Conforti found Walker competent to stand trial in October 2007 after a psychiatric evaluation.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/01/05/Woman-says-God-is-her-lawyer/UPI-90041262745242/

This should be interesting.
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BakedAtAMileHigh Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:52 AM
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1. that would make a GREAT bumbersticker or button!
"Jesus is my lawyer" would be freaking awesome!
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:52 AM
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2. Does he work pro bono?
Looking forward to seeing how that works out.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:54 AM
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3. Can one charge a supposedly omnipresent, omnipotent, omnicognicent unresponsive deity with contempt?
n/t
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:59 AM
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8. If an obvious defense is not asserted...
...can she claim ineffective assistence of counsel against an all-knowing, all-loving, omnipotent diety on appeal?
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:28 AM
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14. And if in fact all all-loving why would he abandon her?
My gawd! It's the Book of Job on trial!
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:54 AM
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4. good luck with that. then again...
she now has good grounds to get off with an insanity plea.

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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:34 AM
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16. Can she appeal a conviction with charges of incompetent representation?
Sid
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:19 PM
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19. LMAO
:spray:

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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:55 AM
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5. if God takes the stand
does He swear an oath to tell 'the whole truth so help me Me"?
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:57 AM
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7. It would be even funnier....
If he refused to take the oath because his religious beliefs require the separation of church and state.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:10 AM
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If God swears... "so help me God" is that taking....
his name in vain? I'm so confused.

But this lady needs to get in line... There's many millions waiting on God to defend them....
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:57 AM
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6. God is not registered with the highest state court to practice law there.
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 11:02 AM by Deep13
Consequently, it's error to let god be her lawyer in a criminal case. Unless she elects to proceed pro se, she's stuck with merely human counsel. I suspect a mortal lawyer will object more often than god anyway.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:11 AM
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12. True enough
...but when god does object, hoo boy...!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:29 AM
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15. Judge: "Stop striking witnesses dead! ...
...You may be lord of all creation, but I am lord of this courtroom!"
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:00 AM
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9. god says stfu lady. ohh he didnt...prove it. gah.. to give these people the time of day drives me
crazy
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:05 AM
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10. Do the criminally insane deserve prison?
I think this lady needs to spend the rest of her life in prison. She is criminally insane, starving her children because she is hallucinating about god. She is a danger to everyone, how long before god tells her to hurt other people.
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:10 AM
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11. Maybe God is trying to help her by sending her a good legal team.
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 11:10 AM by Lucy Goosey
Seriously, why doesn't it occur to her that maybe God is trying to help by providing a good attorney, and she is rejecting the help on the hopes that He (God) will magically show up in court. Meanwhile, God is somewhere banging his head against the wall in frustration, like, "Lady, I'm trying to help you here, but you're not making it very easy."
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:23 AM
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13. Hey, it worked for John Denver in 1977 ("Oh God")
I liked all three movies, but the second one with the little girl was easily the best.


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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:40 AM
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17. God says this woman is nuts....lock her up for everyone's protection. nt
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:41 AM
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18. That reminds me of this joke-
You have probably heard of the fellow whose home was flooded during Hurricane Katrina. When the levees broke this fellow started praying. He asked God to save him. Not long after he started praying an army truck came by and offered him a ride. He declined. Later a boat came by and offered him a ride. He declined. Finally, as he perched on the roof, just before his house went under water, a helicopter came by. They offered him a ride. The man died in the ensuing flood. When he arrived in Heaven he complained that God did not save him. God said “I sent you a truck, a boat, and a helicopter.”
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