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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:17 PM
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Obama refused air strikes requested by Yemeni Government
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 08:42 PM by denem
Time Line:

2008

--June 12: Abdulmutallab applies for a visa at the U.S. Embassy in London.

--June 16: His visa is granted. The visa is a regular multiple-entry tourist visa valid until June 12, 2010.

--August 1-17: Abdulmutallab visits Houston, Texas.

2009

--January: Abdulmutallab attends the University of Wollongong in Dubai.

--May 2009: Britain refuses to grant Abdulmutallab a student visa because the school on his application form was not a government-approved institution.

--August: Abdulmutallab visits Yemen after receiving a visa to study Arabic in a school in Sana'a, according to the Yemeni Foreign Ministry.

--Nov. 19: Abdulmutallab's father goes to the U.S. embassy in Abuja, Nigeria, to express concern his son was in Yemen and had fallen under the influence of extremists.

--Nov. 20: The U.S. embassy sends a so-called ''VISAS VIPER'' cable with the information that Abdulmutallab's father had provided. The cable is sent to all U.S. diplomatic missions and the State Department in Washington, where it was also shared with the interagency National Counterterrorism Center for review.

--Nov. 20, 2009, Abdulmutallab's name is entered into the National Counterterrorism Center's Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE) database based on information provided by his father.

--Dec. 16: Abdulmutallab's round-trip plane ticket is purchased in Accra, Ghana, for $2,831 in cash, presumably by Abdulmutallab himself, according to Nigerian officials.

--Dec. 17: Obama Administration refuses first air strike request by Yemeni Government.

--Dec. 24: Abdulmutallab re-enters Nigeria for only one day to board a flight from Lagos to Detroit, via Amsterdam.

--Dec. 24: Obama Administration refuses second air strike request by Yemeni Government.

--Dec. 25: Abdulmutallab tries to bring down Northwest Airlines Flight 253 as it approaches Detroit. The plane lands safely and he is taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., for treatment of burns.

--Dec. 27: Abdulmutallab is transferred to a federal prison in Michigan.

--Dec. 28: Yemeni Al-Queda claims responsibility for the attempted bombing.

What's wrong with this picture?

1. It's a RW dream: Stuff up after stuff up then Obama had actionable intelligence on Al-Queda in Yemen and refused to act.

2. It gives the lie to the Al-Queda statement the bombing was in reconciliation for the US missile strikes. By November 17 he was gone with his explosive underpants. Then he 'just decided' to use them on a flight to the US to deliver some special Christmas Cheer? BS.

3. Isolationists say Yemen is the the midst of a tribal war that should be left alone. Gee. This would have gone down well with the low information voters:

Al Qaeda's Yemeni wing claims Detroit attack

The Al Qaeda statement called on Yemen's powerful tribes to "tackle head-on this campaign by the Crusaders and their agents... by striking their military bases, the intelligence stations concealed in their embassies, and their naval vessels operating in the waters off the Arabian peninsula."

But Yemen vowed on Monday it would not become a new refuge for Al Qaeda like Afghanistan, even as the jihadists urged new attacks against Western targets in the strategic Gulf region.

"Yemen is a land of peace and security, and will never be a refuge for these terrorist murderers and drug traffickers," the defence ministry newspaper quoted a senior security official as saying.

"Our mountains will never be a new Tora Bora for them," the official added, referring to the Afghan hideout where US-backed Afghan opposition forces came close to capturing or killing Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in December 2001.

"We will hunt them down until we have rooted out their terrorism and cleansed Yemeni soil of their satanic crimes," the newspaper's 26Sep.net site quoted the official as saying.

He promised "more operations against the terrorists and their hideouts" like those of December 17 and 24, when Yemen's air force launched deadly strikes against suspected jihadist targets...

Yemen is Bin Laden's ancestral homeland. In the most spectacular attack by the jihadists in the country so far, Al Qaeda suicide bombers killed 17 US sailors on the destroyer USS Cole in the southern port of Aden in October 2000. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/29/2781845.htm?section=world


BUT The United States should refuse further requests by the Yemeni Government. Innocent people will die. Indeed, unlike 300 in a plane and another 2,000 below. They funded the Imperial War Machine. Guilty.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:25 PM
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1. Obama ordered the cruise missle strikes on Yemen and they were carried out. See the link below:
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:27 PM
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2. Thats the point. The Yemeni Government is requesting more.
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 08:28 PM by denem
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:36 PM
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3. OK, I get it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:47 PM
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4. You might correct your thread a bit to include Obama's earlier strikes.
I don' think you meant to make it look like Obama had not ordered strikes within Yemen when he had and that there were reports that civilians, including children, were killed. Your timeline does not reflect that and only says that Obama refused to strike at Yemen.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:53 PM
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5. Link? I am serious. Sorry, I get it.
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 08:56 PM by denem
The dates in bold were the actual dates of the airstrikes.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:56 PM
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6. Yay more war.
Yemen even sounds like Iran if you have a Southern drawl.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:58 PM
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7. Blowing up a plane above a civilian area is war.
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 08:58 PM by denem
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:26 PM
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8. Which COUNTRY did that?
Blowing up a wedding in Afghanistan is terrorism, we become surprised if a relative or sympathizer becomes a bit pissed off about it.

We called the French opposition to Nazi Germany "the resistance". We call those doing the same, who have been left to die at the hands of a US/UK funded militia terrorists.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:35 PM
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9. Blowing up a plane above Detroit. As AQ said, a mere 'technical difficulty'
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 09:42 PM by denem
hindered the outcome. And that outcome would be an act of war in anyone's book.

Q: Did the United States intend to kill a wedding party. A: No.
Q: Did AQ intend to send a burning wreck down on civilians? A: Yes.

But as AQ always says, there are no innocent civilians in the United States. Each one (oh so willingly) gives their money to IRS to fund the Imperial War Machine. Even the kids.

Which COUNTRY was the IRA? The MPLA? The Shining Path? Not a nation, not even a nation requesting intervention = No dice?

CF. The Truman Doctrine - Greece and Turkey.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:42 PM
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10. What an absolute load of shit
I just farted, it was an AQ terrorist gas attack.

The bloke is a loon wanting to be a political hero. That is absolutely no reason to bomb another Country just because the bloke is a loon.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:46 PM
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12. Read Harry S, 1947 and get back to me.
Better still, go back to Wilson.

You won't find one isolationist / neo-isolationist amongst Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, Carter or Clinton.

Strangely enough the Capital L left ditched isolationism after Operation Barbarossa. At least until 1946.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:43 PM
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11. Q: Did Yemen intend to send a burning wreck down on civilians? A: Cough.

:eyes:

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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:47 PM
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13. No, they requested stikes on AQ targets in their country who DID.
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 09:48 PM by denem
As the quotes from their minister more than make clear.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:54 PM
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15. Which is really dumb for the obvious reasons.
Is it even legal?

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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:03 PM
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22. If the Yemeni Govt requests it, as did Greece and Turkey in 1947, it certainly is
in the United States. The Truman Doctrine which was been the foundation stone of US Policy since 1947.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:40 PM
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26. And a lot of good it proved in SE Asia.
Yemen's a bar room brawl. With internal conflict and Saudi's bombing, and the effort put forth to frame Ft. Hood and the NWA plane as terror...Yemen-based terror...I'm feeling played...again.

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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:53 PM
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14. Did the US kill wedding parties?
Yes.

Did the IRA kill innocent women and children? Yes. Did Americans pay for their bombs? Yes.

Was this boob an Al Queda terrorist? No fucking way. He wants to be a hero and you are giving him that gift.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:57 PM
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17. Read AQ's statement. He just happened to lay his hands on PETN huh?
It's as common as salt water in Yemen.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:01 PM
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20. Yep it is easy.
Try being asmatic.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:04 PM
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23. Cough.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:59 PM
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18. The President is not going to respond to this attempted attack with military force
His response to the incident was calm and measured. The only people talking about attacking Yemen are neocon assholes like Joe Lieberman.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:01 PM
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21. No. But he will consider actionable intelligence.
Anything less would be a breach of his oath of office.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:05 PM
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24. Of course he will respond to actionable intelligence
He said very explicitly over and over again that he would respond to actionable intelligence during the campaign and has done so repeatedly since taking office. Why would you suggest otherwise?
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 09:30 AM
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31. Wires crossed. I did not mean to suggest anything else.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:56 PM
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16. Here's the RWs nightmare
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:59 PM
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19. AQ: The USS Cole predates 2007.
Oh c'mon.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:06 PM
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25. Signing off. I attempt to argue hard, but I prize being proved wrong more.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:41 PM
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27.  but almost all of the current fighting in Yemen concerns the Houthi rebels - not Al Qaeda
The Houthi are members of a breakaway sect from Shiite Islam called Zaydism who make up 40% to 45% of the Yemeni population. The Saudis and some others are accusing the Houthi rebels of being supported by Iran. Although no hard evidence has yet been made public to support that accusation. Although, the Iranian state media are certainly sympathetic to the Houthi. Some are suggesting that we are witnessing a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. But again there is not enough independent information to judge if that is a fair analysis or not.

So what the hell is really going on? It would be extremely unlikely that the Houthi are now allied with Al Qaeda who are militantly Sunni and would consider Zaidis to be nonbelievers on par with Sufis or Alawis.

So whatever is really going, we keep hearing the word Al Qaeda being tossed around in regards to Yemen. But almost all the recent actual fighting concerns a groups that may or may not be actively supported by Iran, but almost certainly have nothing to do with Al Qaeda.

I don't doubt that Al Qaeda have a presence in Yemen. But it would be extremely unlikely that they would have anything to do with
the Houthi rebellion which is what almost all of the current fighting in Yemen concerns. My guess is that the "Al Qaeda card" is being played to attack more support for the Yemeni and Saudi governments in their domestic civil war against the Houthi uprising.

Since there is no independent media anywhere near the actual fighting and no independent international observers anywhere near the fighting - at least as far as anyone knows - the whole things sounds most confusing.

here is one interesting article from Foreign Affairs:


http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/65730/joost-r-hiltermann/disorder-on-the-border

.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:59 AM
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28. Ba -ack
How ya' doing?
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 01:29 AM
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29. Hey ya or whatever.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 09:12 AM
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30. Maybe we should have someone from Yemen's military push the final button in our control bunker. n/t
Edited on Tue Dec-29-09 09:12 AM by Ian David
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 10:03 AM
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32. Obama needs to not be * by bringing more war to the world.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 10:06 AM
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33. The Yemeni government is afraid of being toppled.
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