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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:15 PM
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Catch a Fire
{1} “They say I 'mold' a fighter, but no. I help him mold himself. I bring out with him qualities he has buried deep down, that many times he does not know he has. My job is to discover and uncover, to bring them to the surface, slowly or quickly, depending on how much dirt is laying on top. When I bring them to the surface, I not only become fully and completely aware of them, but the fighter does, too.” – Cus D'Amato

There has been a lot of interesting discussions on this forum in the last couple of weeks, regarding progressive and liberal democrats feel about the Obama administration and Congress. Two of the most important issues being discussed, I believe, are health care and the war in Afghanistan (which is not, of course, limited to Afghanistan). I find the majority of the threads relating to these two issues to be of value.

Many people are outraged at the proposed health care “reform.” Others view it as a first step in a long process. Likewise, many people are strongly opposed to the administration's policies regarding Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq, while others believe that, while not ideal, that President Obama is attempting to make the “least worst” decision from the array of bad options left from the Cheney administration's policies.

A couple of other O.P.s/threads that have gotten my attention suggested that D.U.ers focus on looking at ways to organize – both at a community level and on a larger, more coordinated state-wide and national level – to empower progressive and liberal democrats who are not satisfied with the behaviors of those who were elected to represent them in Washington, DC.

I've mentioned before on this forum that I believe that all of life imitates the sport of boxing, and I say that only slightly tongue-in-cheek. I was raising in a boxing family, and the Great Sport influenced my view of and participation in society, including politics. Among the most interesting people that I had the opportunity to meet and learn from was Cus D'Amato, one of the most intelligent and fascinating figures in all of sports. Hence, my use of a few “Cus Quotes” that I hope the reader will enjoy.

{2}“A boy comes to me with a spark of interest. I feed it, and the spark becomes a flame. I feed the flame, and it becomes a fire. I feed the fire, and it becomes a roaring blaze.” – Cus D'Amato

There are numerous organizations that progressive and liberal democrats can join, that are of value in giving a voice to the political left which would not otherwise be heard in Washington. I have joined some that focus on elections, the environment, social justice, and related issues. At the same time, I know that it is essential to invest in local, community organizing.

Now, when I was born, my family lived in the largest “poor” neighborhood in a three-county section of upstate New York. My family moved when I was young, and I returned as a teenaged hoodlum, living in an apartment with my future co-defendants. Years later, when I started in social work, much of my time was spent working with families in that neighborhood.

Some of the parents spoke to me about their concerns with the way that their children were treated in school. They had spoken with teachers, administrators, and even approached the school board, but felt they were ignored. So I took this spark of interest, and I fed it with the power of an idea that they had never considered: they could elect one of their own to the school board. At some point, I'll go into detail about how the school administration attempted to stop that growing flame, and how I was able to put them in check by using the ACLU's services. We eventually elected two representatives on that school board.

That created a sense of self-confidence in the neighborhood. Parents then noted that the playground there was the only one in the entire town, where literally everything was broken. We approached the village board. The members of the board seemed convinced that poor folk liked broken things, and would indeed break any new equipment. So, we took up a neighborhood petition, and took advantage of the local media to give voice to the neighborhood's needs.

Within a year, the village board had secured a HUD grant, that they intended to use to buy the properties, evict the low-income families, and build expensive “town houses.” Their plan would have resulted in the approximately 120 families being “homeless.” We organized a neighborhood tenants' union; used the media to expose the under-handed abuses of the village board; and attracted the active support of one of the nation's top advocates for the poor, who was employed at a leading university in our state. Long story short: we won, and that HUD grant was used to improve the quality of life for the people it was intended to benefit.

I know that this is “small stuff.” But if we can't compete on the local level on these types of issues, we are not going to be able to step up to the next level, much less the state and national stage. I look at it like guiding a young boxer's career: you start out with easier fights, and build both his confidence and skills, before entering him in tougher competition.

{3}“The first lesson I teach these kids before I teach them to box is a lesson about Fear. About what Fear is, and why we have it. Fear is like a fire. If you control it, as we do when we heat our houses, it is a friend. When you don't, it consumes you, and everything you do, and everything around you.”
Cus D'Amato

In “A Tale of Two Cities,” Mario Cuomo's keynote address to the 1984 Democratic National Convention, the then governor of New York provided a brilliant response to President Reagan's delusional view of our nation's being a shining city on the hill. The truth, both at that time and a quarter of a century later, is that there are many, many neighborhoods across this country that are confronted with all the problems endured by the people living in that small, isolated neighborhood I spoke of.

When a community of people are confronted with severe problems, they tend to look to someone from the outside, who they believe is capable of helping them. It could be a politician like Mario Cuomo, or an organization like the ACLU. Often, when they are unable to get a qualified person or organization, they turn to a more local person (or group), who they have seen fighting for a cause that is similar to their own. Hence, over the decades, when some regional groups have been unable to access the direct support of a qualified advocate, they have approached me.

One of the things that I am fully convinced of is that the resources needed to engage in struggles for social justice are found within the community of people itself. And that includes “leadership.” But the true power in any group is not found in its “leader(s),” but rather in the people standing with that leadership. This is the essence of true power, and it is equally true in the context of organizing at the grass roots level, and in understanding why so many elected “leaders” serve the interests of corporations, rather than you and I.

Many of us have been lied to, so often and for so long, that we have become convinced that we are powerless to influence the circumstances within our households and neighborhoods. We look for some “leader” to do for us what, in fact, only we can do for ourselves. It can be difficult for people to speak up at a public meeting, to write a letter-to-the editor of a local newspaper, or to call the office of a elected representative. As a rule, it is not because that person thinks that their message itself is not important; instead, it is because they not only lack the self-confidence to take action, but worse, they have been made to feel inadequate, inferior, and unintelligent. They fear making a mistake, of being ridiculed, or of being subjected to backlash for standing up for themselves.

Our job is to help them understand their fear, and to remove it as an obstacle that keeps them from reaching their potential. We find that we are often best able to do this while working with small groups of people. By encouraging them to take that first step, and to experience some pride in being part of a larger movement, we help uncover those potentials they have always had, but which have been buried by the larger society.

{4} “With fear, a man becomes emotionally tired, and when he is afraid, he has no faith in himself. But the hero and the coward feel exactly the same fear. Heroes just react differently.” – Cus D'Amato

When I was a youngster, I had but two goals in life: first, to be a champion in boxing; and second, to be a high school math teacher. Although I won quite a few amateur boxing titles, and did a bit of teaching in classrooms, somewhere along the journey my life took a different path. I ended up a social worker and community organizer/activist. Life is strange, all in all, I suppose.

In my experiences as a community activist, I've had some wonderful experiences. And some peculiar ones, as well. I've been involved in some issues where my role has been unpopular with some of the opposition. In one public meeting, an elected official who found my style of debate annoying actually threatened my job. And in one protest march, a fellow swung a stick at me – luckily, it hit me on the head, breaking the stick without causing any injury to me.

Of course, anyone who stands up for what they believe is right is going to face a certain amount of that backlash I mentioned. And that can create inner doubts. Also, the more one works for progressive political change, and for social justice, the more you find the system to be entrenched with injustice. One can become tired. Finally, even after one helps to elect a seemingly good politician, or invests a lot of energy in advocating for a good cause, there are often set-backs and failures. One becomes tired, has inner doubts, and even comes to question if it is possible to make meaningful progress.

That's the exact same self-doubt and fear that old Cus D'Amato knew that every fighter eventually confronted in the ring. Oh, yes, trust me: I have experienced this many times. I had more than my share of bouts where it would have been easier – at the moment – to say, “No mas.” But because I prepared properly, was stubborn by nature, and realized my opponent was just about as hurt and tired as me, I would keep on plugging away. And won almost every time.

Our opposition wants us to get tired. To become disillusioned. To think that it isn't worth continuing the struggle for social justice. That's when they pick up the pace in this contest. They always look for openings, for weaknesses in our defenses, and for openings to hit us. Last year, after Obama and Biden, along with many other democratic candidates won their elections, we let our guards down. We thought that we had won on a level far greater than we did. And, while our side let its guard down and let the structure of our organization at the grass roots level slide, the dark energy of the republicans and corporate interests took advantage of that opening.

We need to get back to work. Now, I know that some here have not let up, and my comments are meant in a general way. But we have to get ready for the next round. Part of it might be simply signing internet petitions and the like. But the task at hand requires a greater level of hard work than that. It demands that we get out into our own communities, and organize and prepare in such a way that we are able to identify real leadership within our own ranks. Add to this task the ability to find that strength within ourselves. To not become tired, afraid, or discouraged. To not believe the enemies' lies. And while we may not be heroes, we will find that ordinary people are fully capable of extraordinary talents.

Thank you,
H2O Man
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:19 PM
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1. Right on.
And thanks for your extraordinary talents! Happy Holidays to you and yours, H2O Man! :toast:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:26 PM
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11. Thank you,
and Happy Holidays to you and yours!
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:28 PM
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2. How right you are.
Thank you. By the way I'm still looking for your son to join us on DU. He was an enjoyable contribution while you were gone.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:27 PM
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12. I know that he
was thinking about it. He had posted here briefly, a couple of years ago.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:50 PM
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3. Thanks for this. n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:28 PM
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13. Thank you
for taking the time to read and respond!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:52 PM
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4. once again...K & R
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:29 PM
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14. Much appreciated. n/t
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:55 PM
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5. K&R
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:29 PM
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15. Thanks!
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:09 PM
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6. We are having a battle in our own village

So far it is spouse who is the most vocal, speaking at the village council meetings. I go also and spoke once. We are also getting anonymous letters in support of us, but they are fearful of retaliation to them, as this mayor and some council members have verbally threatened us. However, spouse especially is fired up and continues to speak and write letters.

Great essay, thanks. It gives us confidence and strength to follow thru.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:12 PM
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7. remove the obstacle of fear
+1000
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:30 PM
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8. Future Co-Defendabts?
And now, here you are, a teacher. That speaks volumes about how things can change.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:05 AM
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26. I see your sig line is growing...
Apparently appears to be true too. Sigh.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:42 PM
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9. "...luckily, it hit me on the head..."
Thank you for your hard head and great heart, and for sharing these powerful thoughts.
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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:05 PM
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10. Happy to "see" you
This is spot on! Thank you!

:applause:
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:17 PM
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16. Amazing... and so incredibly right on about what the growing mood here is and
in my house. Tired. Discouraged. Fighting despair. Between the health care reform bill not being really about reform any more, the climate crisis not adequately addressed in Copenhagen, the awful economy working its magic, and of course the holidays upon us... this has been a very very difficult week.

Bless you for the pick-me-up.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 09:12 PM
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18. K&R with gratitude to H20 Man, and to rosesaylavee.....

:hug: :hug: :hug:


Bless you and yours as well.....

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:55 PM
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17. K&R
who better than you to say it best.

Kudos as always my good man.....:thumbsup:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 09:19 PM
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19. Great post
Needed big time about now.
Hope you're recovering well. :hi:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 11:55 PM
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20. Hear! Hear!
Well said - let's not lose sight of what's important just because it's "difficult" and we are discouraged.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:27 AM
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21. Speechless, impressively well said
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:56 AM
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22. They're gonna need a bigger stick.
Glad you are feeling better, H2O Man.

K&R
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 07:19 AM
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23. Kick
I read and recommended this yesterday when I saw that your journal was updated when reading your update in the boxing thread.

Another well said post that I think deserves a kick since leaving the 1st page.

:kick:
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 08:47 AM
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24. I was raised in a different sport, with different heroes
But Cus 'D Amato's comments ring very true to me. And so does you eloquent use of them as metaphor for life.

I'll throw in a couple homilies from some of my heroes in racing, 'cuz i think they might apply - or maybe you'll just like 'em.

"I'd rather be lucky than good - but you have to be good enough to use the luck that comes your way" Richard Petty

"It ain't all about brave. There's guys out there who would run to the last light if the finish line was at a cliff!" Don Garlits

"You can get a lot done, if you ain't afraid to buy some beer!" " Make adjustments big enough that you can tell what they did. If it don't do what you thought, go the other way and try it" Richie Evans, legendary partier, master of chassis setup, and 8-time NASCAR Modified Champion

"Stupidity is a powerful thing. Sometimes, it's more powerful than intelligence." A British tourist asked EJ "Man, is there ANYTHING you're scared of?" "Yup - goi'n to work for somebody else on Monday!" EJ Potter, the "Michigan Madman", rider of the "Widow Maker" 500 HP V-8 motorcycle - who never missed an exhibition date due to injury in a 20+ year career.A professor's son, farmer, pioneering tractor puller, and builder of some of the craziest contraptions ever powered by an Allison V-12

"We run pretty good with Freddy, once we stopped tryin' to blow the grandstands over!" Jim Oddy

" One thing about this sport - it'll give you moments you can replay for the rest of your life, just by closin' your eyes" "Dick said Junior was illiterate, and I know he uses a string instead of a tape measure to check his tire stagger (circumfrence). But he's not stupid - nobody can read a string lookin' over your shoulder!" "Duke" Southard, racing school instructor
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 08:51 AM
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25. "If you're not first, your last." - Ricky Bobby
J/k. Love the quotes. :hi:
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:04 PM
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34. Thanks for the j/k - I was worried for 3 seconds!
One of the things that the naysayers and goobers just don't get - Anybody as dumb as Ricky Bobby simply hasn't the mental horsepower to last a lap at Talladega - literally, the processing speed required is not available to idiots. I think that H2oman would agree about boxing, particularly at the top levels. Mike Tyson is no dummy, - crazy, conflicted, and misguided - but ask him about pigeons or the sweet science, and a real guy comes out. Ali was/is brilliant, even Cheesburger George is no one's fool.

Around the racetrack, one of the thing s that has always struck me is that there is not much difference in brainpower between school dropouts like Richie Evans and Junior Hanley, both of whom were excellent car builders and chassismen as well as brilliant drivers, and degreed engineers like Cup standouts Ryan Newman,& Alan Kulwicki, and Bobby Hutchens (General manager at Stewart-Haas, winning driver in Modifieds).

Sad to say, most of the real fools I know are in banking, sales, and muddle management. They're not hard to find - You can't get a effing thing done in March without dropping the word "bracket" to get their attention.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:09 AM
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27. K & R.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:34 PM
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28. K&R. Inspiring. //nt
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:34 PM
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29. Media

Hi, H20 Man :hi:

I see you referenced making good use of local media in years past to make necessary changes at a local level.

I'm curious if that is still as effective an option -- a potential ally for progressive causes -- in this new age of corporate media. Traditional media certainly has changed, and the online grassroots venues are starting to feel like white noise.

Does anyone have any experience with media helping or hindering causes locally that they could share here?

I really wish we could start a media outlet that is "for the people," but there are so many varying viewpoints even within the progressive community -- let alone any given community at large -- that I fear the same battles as occur here would ensue when trying to share information, resulting in the overall goal and issue at hand being lost.

Thanks for another outstanding OP.

Remove the fear. I couldn't agree more!

:hug



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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:52 PM
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30. Great thoughts, thank you!
From your writing, it's easy to see how you could get others motivated and fired up to make changes happen! :D
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:51 AM
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40. Well, thank you.
I think that if I have any talent, it is the ability to put into words what others are thinking and feeling. I would like to think that I have given voice to others. And, of course, I sometimes have said things that others were thinking, but did not feel comfortable saying.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 03:04 PM
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31. Thanks, I enjoyed especially the Cus D'Amato quotes and the Mario Cuomo reference.
I consider that speech, "A Tale of Two Cities", to be one of the best ever.

It's a cliché to say that all politics is local, but it really is true.

Good Sunday greetings.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:49 AM
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39. I consider that speech
to be one of the greatest in our nation's history. I was lucky, in that I had an opportunity to meet Governor Cuomo a couple of times in that period. The first time was when he was confronted by an angry crowd at an airport. After some rather heated exchanges between the crowd and the governor, I stepped forward and brought up an issue that I was working on (Native American burial protection). It changed the tone of the discussion.

Governor Cuomo found me a while later, and thanked me. He said that he thought I was brave to do what I did, and that he appreciated it. Not only had I gotten some good press coverage for my issue, but I ended up with a direct line to Cuomo. Within a year, his attorney offered me a job in Albany with the administration. But, I wasn't interested, because I know that my calling is to remain a grass roots activist, not a person in an office in Albany, etc.

I only had the chance to meet Cus once, at the Golden Gloves in Troy, NY. I remember that middleweight contender Eugene "Cyclone" Hart asked Cus if he wanted to go upstairs, to watch the fights? Cus said no, that he could see everything he needed to see there, in the dressing room. That made an impression on me. I'll never forget that.
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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 03:14 PM
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32. Great writing
Thanks!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:40 AM
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38. Thank you. n/t
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 03:51 PM
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33. Thank you.
I'm sure there are many of us feeling overwhelmed and under appreciated lately as I do. This helps to keep the fire burning.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 08:48 AM
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37. Exactly why I wrote this.
You hit the nail on the head, and I absolutely thank you for that.

It's our enemy -- your's and mine -- that wants us to feel discouraged, overwhelmed, unappreciated, and hopeless right now. Our opponents want us to feel so tired that we will quite in our corners, rather than come out for the next round.

In order to fight this battle -- that Good Fight -- we are going to have to find those qualities within ourselves, that Cus talked about as being inside the best fighters. Cus wasn't talking about physical skills, but rather, the mental toughness needed to continue to fight when a normal person would be too tired, too hurt, and too discouraged to continue.

We will not find that type of quality in DC. That type of leadership isn't there in Congress. But it is found inside the people who are the grass roots. That's the only place we will find it now, when it is needed the most.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:58 AM
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35. I REALLY wanted to rec this one, but got to it too late. Thank you for the encouragement
at a time when many of us need it badly. And thank you for your commitment and dedication to changing things for the better on the local level.

I hope you are feeling better. Your writing is quite healthy and robust. "living in an apartment with my future co-defendants" :rofl:

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 08:38 AM
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36. Thank you.
I have to admit that the line you quoyed brought a smile to my face when I wrote it. You know, I was an angry 17-year old, living in a very poor neighborhood, which suffered from all the ills associated with "slums": high rates of crime, violence, and despair. Yet, the group I lived with stood out as the wildest bunch in the neighborhood, and within that apartment, I stood out as the angriest of all. How did the police investigators know to look towards us? Ha!

When I returned many years later as a social worker, a few people remembered me as a little boy from a family that escaped the slums; many knew me as the angry teen who later transformed himself; and everyone knew me as someone who was their advocate. And, in any quest for social justice, the measure of success has to be if it helps those most in need. Putting fuel in furnaces; groceries in cupboards; clothes on the poor; and self-respect and hope for the future in the hearts and minds of human beings.

We have far, far too few "leaders" who are dedicated to transforming our society in any meaningful way. The Congress as a whole advocates for the wealthy, and helps them capialize on the suffering of the poor. But this has not satisfied their lust for swollen bank books: now they are attempting -- and accomplishing -- the theft of those things that used to define the "middle class." There is more crime and violence coming from the "leaders" in Washington, DC, than any poor neighborhood in America. The "slum" is in their hearts, minds, and value system.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:42 PM
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41. AMEN!!
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:01 PM
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42. I loved that line too!
My role was a little different - I was the guy who answered the door when the cops showed up, 'cuz I knew when to play it cool (I was corrupted by experts!) The scariest were the MASP detectives- but those guys were WAY heavier than anything we'd been up to. I sent 'em downstairs, they were there 3 hours.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:58 PM
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43. Thank you for your encouragement. n/t
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 02:13 PM
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44. I am sorry that I did not get a chance to recommend...
I have learned quite a bit on DU, I honestly feel that DU is incredible for sharing valuable information, and I just don't mean the so called intelligent minds, I have also learned from just normal every day people's experiences, experience in my mind is a valuable tool for teaching and I for one am always willing to learn and never limit myself to any one style of teacher,

I just wish that some would stick to debating issues with more clarity in keeping with the topic at hand and leave the grade school antics at the door when they enter the room and also allow all levels of teachers to enter into the discussion without any reservations as to their ability in having anything substantial to offer...

I wish I could name names because there are two distinct Dur's that really got my attention several days ago..one is on one side of the issue the other, on the opposite side...

they have bickered back and forth many many times, but this one time, only once that I witnessed, they left the name calling out and decided to actually discuss the issue in two distinct voices..

It was not only refreshing but I felt rewarding for anyone reading that particular little by play...

I not only enjoyed reading them, I learned from them, but what I seriously learned that particular day was that, each was right, and each was wrong and both proved to me that in all honesty, their views were being expressed without truly having all the facts which both admitted toward the end..

What we were left with was a think tank in progress...and as in all think tanks..the real value is realizing that we just do not have all the answers but we can help to at least get mildly informed while we await the end result and by thinking we are not left feeling blindsided when all the facts are finally laid out in front of us and it makes it a bit easier to not only digest but to deal with it when all is said and done..
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 02:39 PM
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45. Well said
Be in the world and not of it. So many get caught up in the drama of this all, take themselves way too seriously they burn themselves out.

Feast on life and keep moving.

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