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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:47 PM Original message |
"America has never fought a war against a democracy" |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, those trained at the "School of Americas" during the 80s were not up to anything GOOD. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. Tom Lehrer is alleged to have given up writing satirical songs after Kissinger won the Peace Prize |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
45. Nothing tops that response.... I wondered why I had not heard anything |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
65. I always liked "Send the Marines" n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
78. Actually, the quote is... |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
108. That's not why |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
133. We'll try to stay serene and calm, when Alabama gets the bomb! |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. Chile, anyone? nt. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Iran - 1952 |
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hileeopnyn8d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. And he stood in Cairo |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
69. For a long time, Viet Nam wasn't called a war, either. It was a police action. |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
54. That was my first thought. Mossadegh. I don't understand... |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
138. Because he's a politician. He doesn't work for the people. He works for the MIC... |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
74. And Allende was the ONLY democratically elected leader in South America |
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heliarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
190. The US helped Assassins murder him and 5000 of the people... |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #190 |
205. In the interest of clarity, I guess I should have said "anti-democracy Chileans" |
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enigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
85. yep |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. Smart analysis, EFerrari! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. No pleasure in it, at all. |
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chandler2 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. Definition of "democracy" might explain how Pres. O |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Also depends on what the meaning of the word "war" is |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. I think the definition of war is the more important distinction. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Yes, I wouldn't have called it "war" bad as it was |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
52. well, that certainly makes all those dead and maimed feel better.... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
184. So, if it is war, it would make them feel better than if it wasnt? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. The hundreds of thousands of dead bodies would probably disagree. |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
120. Despite this and subsequent replies, my post is not in any way defending American foreign policy... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #120 |
148. Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. n/t |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
46. Oh come on! |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #46 |
121. See post #120. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #46 |
126. Dude... I don't think you got the gist of what the previous poster was talking about.... |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #126 |
149. Thank you. n/t |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 07:37 AM Response to Reply #22 |
100. But it is still war, especially for those who are killed and otherwise |
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man4allcats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
115. A half truth is still a lie. |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
34. Maybe it is the word "has" he is finessing. As in really has or just figuratively has. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
119. Yes, he was clearly playing with the meaning of the word "war". |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
155. Does the definition of "is" have any relevance here, too? n/t |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
177. Best I can find on that is here... |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
118. Chile WAS a democracy! |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. The U.S. President needs a history lesson. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
113. Do you really think President Obama isn't aware of that history? He's trying to rewrite it .... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. K&R |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
9. Quack |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. k&r |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
12. Wish I could rec this a million times. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. K&R |
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netania99 (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
15. Excellent piece! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
58. Welcome to DU, netania |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
16. +infinity. it was a steaming pile of revisionism to justify americas current hegemonic actions |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
17. He's counting on American ignorance. One good thing about this speech |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It requires some kind of contortionism to put a benign construction |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. I now know that where he is coming from is not a place of forward, holistic thinking |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
18. Just once, I'd like a president who trusts the American people enough to tell the truth. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Yeah. Let's get Palin. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. So your defense of Obama's revisionism is that he's better than Palin? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. This post makes even less sense if you treat it as sarcasm |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. Another effing false dichotomy |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. Fucking stupid. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. How much lower could the bar be set? |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:56 AM Response to Reply #20 |
82. Wisdom, eh? Must have stepped out for a smoke while you wrote this post. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
101. So we should cheer Obama's LIES? Put down the pom poms and slowly back away... |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
21. USA fought a war with the USA. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Technically, neither side was a democracy |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. well we're a Republic |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #31 |
129. Republic and Democracy are not mutually exclusive terms |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #129 |
198. Yes, you can have a non-democratic republic |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
27. Didn't Chavez give Obama a book on this very subject? nt |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
55. "Open Veins of Latin America". I started reading it.. |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Sorry, I posted the same before seeing your post... |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
171. Thanks! It is now on my reading list. |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
67. "Open Veins of Latin America" |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
102. Here is the video: |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
29. knr - thank you! n/t |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
32. He just didn't have time for the numerous "except fors". |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
33. I suppose technically speaking - if one defines fighting a war as the U.S. sending in large numbers |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 03:42 AM Response to Reply #33 |
93. I guess that's why the incursions into Pakistan aren't counted either. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
36. America acting overtly and the United States Government acting covertly |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. You're making me dizzy. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #36 |
127. "Depends what the meaning of is is." |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
164. Two different animals? ... |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
38. it's a shocking & totally false claim! scary! K & R |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
42. Error: You've already recommended that thread n/t |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
43. In 1898, Spain was a constitutional monarchy. -nt |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
44. just a few examples of how untrue that claim is: |
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seeinfweggos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
47. the us has backed right-wing anti-democratic forces in latin american civil wars |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
48. Very good work here. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
49. But how often has America fought a war AS a democracy? n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #49 |
80. Never |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #80 |
130. 100% correct. |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
166. spot on n/t |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
50. K & R. That was one troubling speech on a lot of levels. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
51. That claim is a linguist's dream. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Yes, that's very true. n/t |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
56. America may not fight with other democracies - |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I have to remember that definition. It's an apt one. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Oh and providing that those non-democracies |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
59. that is so wrong |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Agreed, a shocking display of either dishonesty or ignorance. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. it can't be ignorance |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
150. Perhaps he thinks that the American public is ignorant - |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
156. Or maybe he is using the American definition of democracy as "countries which agree with us" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Today is International Human Rights Day. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. = |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
60. He's too intelligent and well educated for this to be an honest mistake :( |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. And that is the sad part. n/t |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. Obama is a scholar... |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
72. President Obama. Lawyer. Lawyers live on technicalities. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Did we ever declare war on Viet Nam? |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #73 |
117. No, but there was a "resolution", the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, that Congress passed to |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
75. He either flunked history or he's a liar. They say he was a good student, so ... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #75 |
145. He's continuing a land war in Asia. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
76. "When The Mountains Tremble" about the people's struggle in Guatemala |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. So sorry to hear that, Quantess. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. When The Mountains Tremble should be required viewing for everyone, LOL |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #79 |
107. Yikes. I had to do that with a hand a few years ago. |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #76 |
112. Most excellent doc, I agree. |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
81. Spectacular post. Dead on. And sad. K&R. nt |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
83. I would recommend multiple times if I could! Damned good analysis! |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
84. Haven't you heard? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
86. K&R |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
87. Words must mean something |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
88. I suppose that depends on your definition of war. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #88 |
105. According to the same speech, true peace doesn't exist without freedom |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
167. Since there is no such thing as 100% freedom, I'm afraid that means everyone is always at war |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #167 |
172. But the Faux "everything is everything" defense also doesn't work. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #172 |
179. Well, he's wrong on that. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
89. Dupe |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
90. Did he really say that? Christ, what a load of bullshit. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Come on |
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Locut0s (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
91. Sadly the answer is "because it's not a war unless we say so".... |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
92. No wars, just 15,000 police actions. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
95. no wars in the sense of armed conflicts between nations |
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SkyIsGrey (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
96. Corrected. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
97. All I'll say is |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
98. k & r |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
99. This is a joke, right? |
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WannaJumpMyScooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
103. let's see... the UK we fought twice |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
104. No surprise |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
106. Tell It to Allende, Aristide, Zelaya, etc. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
109. Except in Chile, Nicaragua, and Grenada |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. A couple of things. I heard another clip of the speech this morning |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. And now we find that Blackwater was right alongside of them. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Scahill has said they're in Latin America. I don't remember where |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #111 |
163. That was a tough situation all around down there |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. Mel Zelaya was a moderate, not a socialist let alone a communist. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #165 |
176. Zelaya is a socialist |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #176 |
180. Raising the minimum wage doesn't make you a socialist. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #180 |
191. Much more than minimum wage |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. All of Latin America has supported Zelaya except the US lapdogs. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #192 |
202. And their narrow vision has what to do with his socialism? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #202 |
203. Their narrow vision? |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #203 |
204. It's working for Chavez |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #204 |
206. I think the gay couples that can worship together at the Reformed Church |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
110. he should be held accountable for such blatant revisionism |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
122. I understand your point |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. War should be understood as an actual, intentional and widespread armed conflict |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. I'm not living in dictionary definition world |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #124 |
131. What would you have expected? We should invade Honduras? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #131 |
168. The two of you shouldn't argue about this. We should find out the accepted definition |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #168 |
175. Best I can find is here... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #175 |
181. I put up another def at 123. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #181 |
182. I think when you diverge from the official meaning of those words, you get in trouble |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #182 |
186. Diverging in the way you rightfullly point out is called propagandizing. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #168 |
178. It's not my habit to resort to authority but that would be fine with me. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
125. He jumped the shark on that one. The reason being our gov't's definition |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
128. Hollow, inspirational, revisionism |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
132. K&R |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
134. ROFLMAO |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #134 |
146. Are you laughing at the OP or at Obama, or something entirely I don't see? |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
135. Mexico, anyone? |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
136. I am embarrassed for my president, once again - didn't think it would happen with Obama |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
137. Yeah, Barack, tell that to the peoples of Asia and Latin-America... |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
139. Negroponte is a CLINTON veteran???????? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. No, but Lanny Davis is. Negroponte is only Clinton's "adviser". |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #141 |
193. Ugh. Lanny Davis. I've run into him enough. DINO lawyer who gives the legal profession a bad name. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. Right. Davis is the Clinton old timer and Negroponte somehow |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. I've never met Negroponte |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. He gets attention from a lot of people, remarkable for such a little sleeze. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. Probably because he represented Gore in Bush v. Gore |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. I didn't know that. Oh, God. nt |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. Oh yeah. Lanny probably made some snide remark that rubbed O'Connor the wrong way or something n/t |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. and Obama. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
140. Most in the US are too preoccupied with their own problems to care about democracy in Latin America. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Immigration from and democracy in Latin America are |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
144. Well done. Obama was clearly mistaken or there is play in the words "Democracy" or "War" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. Thank you, berni. I appreciate that. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
151. Thanks. Even if I now feel like an idiot again. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. Imho, there's more than one thing going on here, Gregorian. |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
153. i'm probably splitting hairs |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. Obama said the CIA is the front line of our national security. |
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Moonwalk (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
154. I see a lot of people arguing that this is semantics, a lie, a half-truth, etc...okay... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. You might check out #123. Also, for the record, I am not at war with the president. |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
159. Excellent post, ... |
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nicky187 (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
160. Except for ... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. Touche and welcome to DU, nicky187. |
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nicky187 (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #161 |
173. Mille grazie ... ;) |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
162. yup...k & r... |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
169. More Fiction |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
170. K&R. How sad that he used semantics to ignore our history. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #170 |
174. Amy Goodman aired footage of some protests. |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #174 |
183. The War Of Southern Secession... |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #174 |
185. Thanks. I'll check that out. //nt |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
187. Kick for decades of dirty wars in Latin America. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. Yep, I'll help kick for the decades of dirty wars in Latin America... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. another kick for the decades of dirty wars in Latin America! |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
200. I'm too late to R, alas - but will kick in the hope that anyone who missed this |
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