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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:37 PM
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Wow!? "Commanded in Chief" The Nation
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 08:09 PM by amborin


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"....You may not think so, but on Tuesday night from the US Military Academy at West Point, in his first prime-time presidential address to the nation, Barack Obama surrendered. It may not have looked like that: there were no surrender documents; he wasn't on the deck of the USS Missouri; he never bowed his head. Still, from today on, think of him not as the commander-in-chief but as the commanded-in-chief.

And give credit to the victors. Their campaign was nothing short of brilliant. Like the policy brigands they were, they ambushed the president, held him up with their threats, brought to bear key media players and Republican honchos and in the end made off with the loot. The campaign began in late September with a strategic leak of Afghan War commander General Stanley McChrystal's grim review of the situation in that country, including demands for sizeable troop escalations and a commitment to a counterinsurgency war.

It came to include rumors of potential retirements in protest if the president didn't deliver, as well as clearly insubordinate policy remarks by General McChrystal, not to speak of an impressive citizen-mobilization of inside-the-Beltway former neocon or fighting liberal think-tank experts, and a helping hand from an admiring media. In the process, the US military succeeded in boxing in a president who had already locked himself into a conflict he had termed both "the right war" and a "necessary" one. After more than two months of painfully over-reported deliberations, President Obama has now ended up essentially where General McChrystal began...."

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<http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091221/engelhardt>



Laura Flaunders: "All Too Familiar on Afghanistan"

<http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/502872/all_too_familiar_on_afghanistan.


The Nation Editorial:

"At a time when the continuing economic crisis is creating ever more hardship for the vast majority of Americans and placing ever greater demands on the federal budget, we need clearheaded leadership that is able to strip away myth and dogma and define afresh our most pressing problems and the right strategy for dealing with them. Sadly, in announcing his administration's decision to send 30,000 more American troops to Afghanistan on top of the 68,000 already there, President Obama has fallen short of this test of leadership.

..Not only did the president and his national security team reject far less costly options that would have allowed us to disengage militarily from the conflict in a responsible way; they have decided on a strategy that is so full of muddled thinking and so wasteful of lives and resources that it must be opposed as contrary to the best interests of the American people. And his vow to begin withdrawing troops in July 2011 seems not so much part of a carefully considered stabilization strategy for Afghanistan as a way to placate growing Congressional and popular opposition to a war entering its ninth year. ..

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<http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091221/editors>
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:39 PM
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1. This is so passive/aggressive
He's the CiC FFS!

Excuses, excuses
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:42 PM
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2. I get the feeling...
that Obama is getting attacked from all sides and is no longer in control of the Administration.
He is in full compromise mode, no longer setting his own agenda.

His "Escalation Speech" was ineffective.

And today his "Job's Summit" offered NOTHING! more phrases of "hope" and no articulate plan for creating jobs.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:30 PM
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5. Somebody posted the "jobs forum " agenda last night.
Here's the thread, which, unfortunately quickly sank:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x34849



Approx. 3 hours devoted to a complete dog and pony show. Sickening.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:44 PM
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8. I do believe that the "healthcare summit" got off the same way
and look what sort of garbage came out of that and we're supposed to feel all warm and comfy that there was a job summit?

:rofl:

I'm starting to sound bitter, can't seem to help myself these days. I apologize.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:55 PM
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9. No need to apologize. Americans have every right to be bitter.
High unemployment. Bailouts for bankers. More of the national treasure being funneled into Afghanistan. Health care "reform" that's a complete joke.

The powers that be should be counting their lucky stars that Americans feel too powerless to take matters into their own hands and throw them all out. Until that happens, we'll never have any significant change.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:14 PM
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18. Corporatists never know how to run anything.
They are almost always dependent on on collusion, rigged markets and taxpayer subsidies. The only thing they are good at is making sure they enrich themselves.

I had my suspicions about this administration, but they were confirmed when Obama picked Ron Kirk for Trade. I had the bad fortune to witness firsthand how he screwed over the people of Dallas time and again by handing over tax dollars and special favors to billionaire "business leader" pals for their private stadiums and retail development projects.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:20 PM
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43. I am getting real bitter too
It's such bullshit all of it, I fully agree with the Nation on this. And now Alan Grayson is saying that the Fed was secretly bailing out the banks behind our backs. It is fucking hopeless.
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:08 PM
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11. What would you do to create jobs
immediately? This is a serious question I am not trying to tamper your anger but I am trying to figure out how can they make companies start hiring now?
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:12 PM
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15. Get those green jobs going, now!
and I don't mean signing contracts with Chinese companies so they can build their plants here.

But then again, I'm sure those companies would need loans to help them get started. Too bad the banking industry isn't feeling too generous atm.

It's a small start but it's a start. We have to start somewhere.







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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:25 PM
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19. Ok, so how can they make the banks lend?
When Bush signed TARP into law he signed it with little or no strings attached to the banks. So what leverage does Obama have to make them lend so that we can start these dang companies? I know I heard about the Chinese the other day and that just sucks. Our congress is so very incompetent, just look how they made the "buy America clause" disappear during the stimulus debate. Obama will take the blame for all of this because he is not out there calling out the obstructionist in his own party. I also believe he thinks the populace thinks about issues in the long term, he should no better this is a live in the moment society.

Financial reform should have been handled as soon as he came into office, that way today I would not hear so many on the left accuse him of the trillion dollar bank bailout. He did not do enough right away to separate him self from what Bush did. It did not help that he hired Summers, Geithner, and trying to keep on Bernanke.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:42 PM
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22. We're in a mess....
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 09:46 PM by nc4bo
but you touched on what surprises me the most. After the first bailout free-for-all with its lack of oversight and accountability right up to President Obama's efforts, what changes have actually been made to correct what brought us to this point?

I, too, would have thought that within his first year in office he'd roll back Gramm-Leach-Bailey or created an entirely different method of regulation and it hasn't happened. Why? And I think that's something all Americans should be asking themselves.

I'm a simple gal and no smart, rich, wizard politician. I just have a load of commonsense and often wonder why I feel that many of the powerful seem to lack it.

ETA: I wish I knew how to make them lend again. The time passed by when they received their $$. One stipulation should have been that it was mandatory for them to lend, you know?

(My first instincts are to hold a pistol to their heads and go for it but that's childish fantasy I entertain from time to time.)






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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:02 AM
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37. The green jobs thing is a canard--- at least as far as solar goes.
My husband is completing a class in solar energy as applies to systems to be installed in homes and public buildings as he is an electrician. The components/panels will be made overseas in China or in Mexico. The contractors will be licensed through a separate body (not as part of the IBEW for example) and will basically be hiring "technicians" to install. The panels themselves have a 25 year life after which they will be dumped in our landfills. The power companies will be installing "smart wires" to determine how much energy you are producing/consuming then charging you different amounts for delivery according to the times you use the energy and compensate you only a fraction of the cost for the energy buyback (they energy you produce that goes back to them).

Your cable guy will become your solar panel installer.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:51 PM
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30. I'm not an economist or a business person. I'm a teacher. I'll leave
job creation strategies up to the experts, although I think creating incentives for businesses, and plowing money into public works projects - particularly green technology - would be a good start.

Last year I visited Northern Europe and was impressed by the modern, fast train network. We are decades behind. Our infrastructure is pathetic.

What I do know for certain is that 3 hours of panel discussion by a bunch of suits isn't going to get any unemployed person a job.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:59 PM
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10. hey, you own a "don't tread on me" flag?
just wondering, I've seen a lot of those around lately.........can't think of where.........but for some reason, I'm seeing signboards plastered with pictures of the holocaust. haha

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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:42 PM
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29. my "Don't Tread On Me" username
was registered over two years ago... so now you are the second person on DU to accuse me of being a Teabagger.

When someone ignores the argument made and criticizes you on your "internet screen name", then you dealing with an someone who refuses to accepts the facts.
I thought THAT was a definition of the Teabaggers... how ironic!

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:27 PM
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20. Quoth Sobchak "You see what happens, Larry?"
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:05 PM
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3. McChrystal, another bad choice
This is another bad choice by Obama. McChrystal should have been courtmarshalled when he disrespected the Commander in Chief by calling for an increase in troops. Obama let himself be bullied by this man. What is wrong with him? I'm beginning to think he is becoming a puppet. He is being worked by the generals just like he was worked by Geitner and Sommers. He is surrounding himself with guys with long knives.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:39 PM
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6. Even Harry Truman replaced a General who defied him..
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FLDCVADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:28 PM
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21. You've got to be kidding?
Court martialed for asking for more troops? Seriously?
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:14 PM
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41. I'm not kidding
By asking publicly for troops without the president's input he was putting Obama on the spot. I don't think it's a good thing to disrespect your Commander in Chief.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:55 PM
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26. Generals always ask for more troops. They don't often say, "Please
send as few as possible."
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:11 PM
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4. His first prime time address to the nation?
Say what?
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:42 PM
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7. rec'd for the addition of yet more voices to the chorus (nt)
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:09 PM
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12. Obama has been set up to be the fall guy.
A position he willing accepted. I think he was a little too green to do battle with seasoned Beltway veterans. I hope he's got unplayed cards, because it's looking like he's totally fucked.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:41 AM
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40. Gotta keep the two party ruse alive & well. I got a kick out of Cheney referring to O as "radical"
... the other day!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:10 PM
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13. BS
Obama said Afghanistan was the necessary war.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:13 PM
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16. Yea ...and Bush about said the same thing with Iraq.
People like myself who voted for Obama, didn't agree with him on Afghanistan. He was a better choice than Mr Bomb Iran asshole Mc Lame. I will never vote for Obama again.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:21 AM
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38. I like Obama but I will never
support his foreign policy - it's the same as every other hawk.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:10 PM
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14. But by all means keep joining the military and keep supporting the troops.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:13 PM
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17. Bullshit. There is zero reason to believe this lie cut from whole cloth.
I have every confidence that Obama made his own decision. Like it or not, he did it.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:45 PM
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23. Sorry, but Obama made this bad decision on his own
People need to stop making excuses and realize that Obama is not some kind of super genius. He can make shit decisions.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:36 AM
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39. no modern president makes decisions on his own.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:50 PM
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24. Obama was never ready for this job at this time. He ran an impressive
campaign of promises, but has not adhered to many of them. He is an orator, but he is too much of a compromiser. I am not sure he knows what he thinks. But I am pretty sure he was always much more moderate than his campaign indicated. His votes in the Senate proved that. We should have been more vigilant.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:56 PM
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31. He can give a mighty fine speach, that's for sure...
too bad they always come read from a teleprompter.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:57 PM
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32. Hmm...
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:59 PM
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33. I spy a.......nt
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:09 PM
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34. If you're implying anything except an old disappointed forever Democrat you're wrong
It's been a long haul to get a majority of MY party running the show. I just keep wishing that our President could speak from his heart - reading a speach just doesn't move many of us the way talking to us does. Sorry if I offended you and that my post count is low. I usually keep my 2 cents to myself, which I will go back to - okay?
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:16 PM
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35. It's ok, really....
You came back ;)

Many here are pretty disgusted, frustrated and a bit powerless to change anything at this point. There's always hope but that bright, shiny hope has a habit of fading after a while.

Actions always speak louder than words.


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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:18 PM
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42. They all read from teleprompters
Would you like it better if he held a bunch of papers and read off of those? The thing that's important is who wrote the speech.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:52 PM
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25. I know!
And Obama is so leader-like. At least he took his time to give them exactly what they want. The new, improved, "smarter" presidency-same shitty pointless war but more thoughtful.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:03 PM
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27. Reminds me why I delete the constant subscription spamming by The Nation on my email.
Can't imagine actually paying for this bullshit. If Obama had gone into the Presidency with an eye toward cutting troops and withdrawing, and THEN did an about-face, they might have a case. That Obama mostly agrees with the people he is advised by is no accident--they share his worldview, for the most part--that's why he appointed them. That he agreed (in large part) with McChrystal's request shouldn't be a surprise, he personally appointed the guy to assess the mission.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:08 PM
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28. when....
....he kept gates on I thought Obama was going to use gates as cover for a progressive strategy....but instead, gates and the warmacht have used Obama as cover for more bushco neocon war....

....our silver-tongued president is losing his cheer-leading charm....whether beautifully orated by Obama or babbled by the chimp, meaningless words are just meaningless words....
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:27 PM
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36. I think this article gives him too much credit, personally.
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 11:30 PM by Marr
The man is a corporate "Democrat©". They're about two small paces from neocons anyway, and pretty squarely right of center.

The only people who were "commanded" by the establishment here are the voters, who stupidly accepted the corporate media's message that our choice was between two DLC Democrats. They insisted there was no such thing as water; only Coke and Pepsi, and enough of us believed it.

But it doesn't really matter anyway. The kind of "change" people are hoping for doesn't come from the top down, and when the public starts demanding it-- and I mean really demanding it-- it won't make a hell of a lot of difference which con-man is in the Oval Office.
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