Valerie Jarrett was on Morning Joe repeating teabag talking points!

[Joanne98]

"The government doesn't create jobs, business does"

Whether or not that's true is beside the point. It's been a teabag/townhall/Paling mob talking point for months!


I don't think this WH is getting the message.

NO MORE BOWING DOWN TO THE REPUBLICANS!

I can understand the human desire for everybody to get along but after what has happened this year?

After the conservatives openly declaring war on the majority of people in this country with their lies and their guns?

There's NEVER going to be peace now.

It doesn't matter what the WH wants. All we have to do is call conservatives every filthy name we can think of 24/7 from now on and it will become clear to everyone that is is no future for the conservative filth in this country. There's not room for both of us so they have to MOVE!

This is a trend and there is no peace for at least 3 decades.

Get used to it Valerie!

[mwb970]

1. It does seem as if the nation is "stuck on stupid".

We are being held back as never before by our 26%er lunatic fringe. I will never understand why these people are given a megaplatform on TV instead of being marginalized, which is what used to happen to far-out groups of extremists. Not any more! Now they're all over the media.

[DrDan]

2. your post baffles me

"Whether or not that's true is beside the point"???????

So if it is true - we are not suppose to accept it because the teabaggers claim it is true?

That just does not make any sense to me.

[JamesA1102]

3. Good point nt

[Joanne98]

10. Because we are fighting with pathological liars. If you haven't noticed.

We can't win by fighting fair. It's ridiculous. There is a good case for the theory that government creates industries and always has. Think Noam Chomsky BUT when debating pathological liars it doesn't matter what's true. They don't care so we shouldn't either.

If you want to win this war that is!

I want to win so I'm going to throw shit until it sticks.

[DrDan]

23. even pathological liars are right every once in a while

we look like idiots, or more like republicans, when we disagree just to disagree.

[TwilightGardener]

4. "Whether or not that's true is beside the point"--you want untruthiness?

Unless the Obama administration devises a new government jobs program (like WPA or some such--which would be a very hard sell right now), then it IS up to private businesses and industries to provide jobs. The problem is that they've found that laying off people, and then squeezing more juice out of the grateful and anxious few who are left, keeps productivity up--so there's no incentive to hire those who were laid off when the economy improves.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. To be fair...

...you can triple productivity but if consumption slides all you're doing is spending money with no return.

The OP is essentially correct: Jarrett was kowtowing to the RW'ers. The OP is mistaken only in that because it ISN'T true. The only way out of this mess is for the gov't to take over the private sector completely. 100% employment meaning everyone is working towards what everyone else needs not this hit or miss nonsense from so-called "free" markets.

[TwilightGardener]

7. Umm, no thanks to socialism. Good luck with that, though.

[doc03]

9. That worked just fine in the USSR didn't it? n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

20. The Soviets were a brutal dictatorship posing as socialists

At the end of the day it wasn't about people, only the ruling clique.

The US isn't like that and certainly Obama isn't like that.

If you like working for the bankers and corporations you're still working for a centralized scheme only a scheme centered on those with enough money to buy their way into the ruling clique (read: stockholders) with a gov't run system the voters are the stockholders.

[doc03]

21. If you went to Socialism today you would have the

same thing. Who you gone to have run a steel company? Obama doesn't know anything about steel, what's he going to do? Go find someone with the know-how, the CEO of Nucor perhaps. You need someone to run an oil company? Hell nobody in government knows anything about that you go get the CEO at Exxon. So in a Socialist system the same ruling clique will be there. When the Soviet Union fell the ruling clique just suddenly turned Capitalist. I work for a Russian steel company our owner was part of the ruling clique in the old regime. Back in Russia everyone had a job, in the steel mills they had 10 people on every job and they spent most of the day screwing off and playing cards. They had a saying over there "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us". That was their form of welfare everyone had a job and nobody except the people at the top made enough money to survive.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

22. And because Obama isn't a doctor...

...he should give up on healthcare reform.

And since he isn't a woman he has nothing to say about women's rights.

Ditto gay rights.

I'm not trying to sound mean or dismissive and I understand what you're saying but the US isn't a dictatorship as the USSR was.

[doc03]

24. What you gonna do when someone like Sarah

Palin becomes President?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

25. When we have 100% employment who would vote to go back?

just sayin'

[nc4bo]

5. Political amnesia. We actually won the election this time

and won hardily if I may say so myself. LOL, it wasn't even stealable (if that's even a word).

Pissing away the mandate for the sake of bipartisanship seems to be the PC thing to do.

In the meantime, there's a few million really angry Dems out here.

:puke:

[bigtree]

8. uh, it's true

:shrug: I think she's using that language to reassure businesses, not curry favor with republicans.

[Joanne98]

12. The middle class was created by first the homestead act. (free land) and then

the unions. Most new inventions have came out of government R&D drugs, DARPA, the space program.

Business may create jobs but the don't invent anything and that's where the growth comes from.

But that is also besides the point.

The right is the enemy PERIOD!

[TwilightGardener]

15. Businesses don't invent things? REALLY?

[Joanne98]

17. They don't do the long term R&D!

There's a long list of things that were invented by the government and then given for free to business.

[TwilightGardener]

19. So you are trying to say that the US government is the only real

agent of innovation in this country? Wow.

[cali]

18. Technically you may be correct: Businesses don't invent anything

individuals do, but no, most inventions have not come out of gov't programs. pathetic to see such abject ignorance paraded around.

[Bluenorthwest]

11. Jarrett is only there because of cronyism

Mediocrity is an indulgence we can ill afford at this juncture.

[Joanne98]

13. Ot kissing Landrieu's ass. Star Bucks gave 200,000 dollars. Big fucking deal!

[NYCGirl]

14. Many on the right believe the Earth is round.

Whether or not it's true is beside the point. NO MORE BOWING DOWN!

[cali]

16. ohfor pity's sake, you can't be so stone ignorant that you think

this concept sprung from the teabaggers. Let me help you, honey: It precedes it by fucking decades and it's not even one of their major talking points.