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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:02 PM Original message |
Is this how the "government" hope to save healthcare costs, telling women not to have mamograms? |
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Goldom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's not just that. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. No one can determine if "cancer-like" things have a fair chance of vanishing on their own |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. You are correct and also back in the 70's and 80's |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. Ah, so now we oppose government run health care |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Funny, but they also recommend women shouldn't do self-examines either |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. That is crazy - check this out |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Where are they coming from, its insane /nt |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Hmm... If my mother had followed that advice she might very well be dead now. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. and I know two people in their forties, who didn't have a history breast cancer in their family |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. On the other hand, they could not find my mother's |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. I see no reason why both mammograms and BSEs should not be encouraged. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. In our family's personal experience, |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. Mammograms are certainly not infallible. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I agree with respect to BSE - but not with respect to |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. It's about breast density |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Mostly density - but not entirely. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Did you have a sonogram? |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. We're in the same boat in thinking about the BSE. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. the rate of false positives is too high |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
7. And to not even recommend self-exam?! They're full of shit. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Although I agree with them on the mammography, |
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corpseratemedia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
10. my mother would have been dead |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. You know… |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. But that's the problem |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
13. I don't think there's a perfect answer to our healthcare problems |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
14. MRI More Effective in Detecting Ductal Carcinoma In-Situ (DCIS) Breast Cancer than Mammography |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. And you know what? In situ is pretty much the best kind of breast cancer to have |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. i had in situ and invasive |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Thank you. We need all the help we can get. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Find a clinic that does digital mammograms. No more radiation. n/t |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. do they have to squeeze the breast? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Unfortunately they still do. I just had one a few months ago. |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. My wife is completing treatment for DCIS at MD Anderson now, |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. she had to do chemo for DCIS? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
17. There were specifically saying they were not needed |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
18. No, there have been a number of studies suggesting they do not do a whole lot of good. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. I am sure that Andrew Lloyd Weber or Chris Dodd are happy they practiced defensive medicine /nt |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. At the risk of sounding like a "scientifically illiterate idiot", |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. because every fatty lump or varicosity leads to more expensive testing |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
20. I don't think they can read mammograms of women in their early forties. Too much dense tissue to |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
23. Our society-wide case of hypochondria drives up healthcare costs. |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
28. Don't ya know women cost the health insurance companies |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Yep. Dead is SO much cheaper for insurers than surgery, chemo, radiation, reconstruction |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
29. I would most likely be dead now without self-exam... |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
31. Look, it was either wait until 50, or do just one breast. They flipped a coin and |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
37. They can kiss my ass |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. so sorry, Raineyb |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Thanks. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
38. Had the lazy reporter who wrote this article bothered to read the source information |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Unless the insurance companies listen to it and use it as an excuse |
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KatieW (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
42. My sister passed away a couple weeks ago from Breast Cancer, and I was shocked when I heard this. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. i would suggest reading before you post because they didn't say any such thing |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
43. It is kind of strange isn't it? |
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