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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:21 PM
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Iraq war veteran holds hostage, wants treatment
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Source: AP

HERINGTON, Kan. - A veteran of the Iraq war who held his family hostage and wore military armor during a standoff with police surrendered only after being assured he would receive help for post-traumatic stress disorder, police said.

The Fort Riley soldier, whose name was not released because he had not been charged, locked himself and his family inside his Herington home Sunday night. He released his family shortly after the incident began, but surrendered only after talking to a Herington police officer who had befriended him, police Chief John Pritchard said.

Police went to the man's home about 8:30 p.m., after receiving a call that he was holding his wife and four children hostage. After releasing his family before officers arrived, he put on military body armor and said he wanted to "go down in a blaze of glory," Pritchard said.

Pritchard said the man had nine loaded firearms, including two assault rifles, in the house. The man did not point a weapon at officers during the standoff, but officers saw him with a weapon in a backyard several times, he said.
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Pritchard said one of the conditions of the man's surrender was that he receive treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder, from which the man believed he was suffering because of his service in Iraq. Pritchard said he didn't know when or how long the man had served.

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vickitulsa Tue Apr-17-07 05:44 PM
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6. Because vets do not receive and never have received adequate treatment for PTSD,
this is the sort of story we're going to be hearing more and more often now, imo.

I have a great many Vietnam vet friends who have suffered -- many in silence for decades -- from the disabling, maddening symptoms of PTSD. Most of them only got treatment at long last because others of their "brothers" who'd already begun dealing with PTSD's demons in treatment helped them toward that end.

Having been diagnosed with PTSD years ago myself (childhood trauma, not combat), and being of the same generation, having lived through those years of turmoil and horror that were Vietnam, I relate all too well to these vets. And by extension, I understand what all the soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who have followed in their tracks since are going through as well. I've been talking about this subject to everyone who will listen ever since the first Gulf War.

The battles these veterans have to fight AFTER their tours of duty are in many ways even more difficult than combat experiences. And you have to consider that while they're involved in active fighting, especially on foreign soil, they have their close friendships with other troops to provide a great deal of support. This is something that is immediately gone when they return to their "normal lives back home."

Most of them find it very difficult to even talk about their experiences and the savage symptoms of PTSD that bring their lives to wrack and ruin in pretty short order after they get back. They know that others who haven't "been there" simply cannot understand in any deep way the emotional impact and effects of their war experiences.

They were also trained to the max to be strong and not to give in to normal human feelings of empathy or sympathy for others -- or for themselves! Signs of weakness were considered a very big liability, and so they learned very well the habit of stuffing their feelings, trying to ignore them. They contained as best they could their fear and sorrow and wrenching, roiling pain of losing buddies and witnessing atrocities of war. Maybe worst of all, they have to live with what they themselves have done -- the killing and wounding of others, the destruction of homes and livelihoods and taking of innocent lives.

But the fact is most humans don't do well when they continue to try to hold in and bury such powerful emotions. They try to carry on, but at some point their intrusive symptoms reduce them to a state where they simply can no longer cope with daily life.

I know from personal experience that hypervigilance alone can make you feel stark raving crazy. One Navy corpsman (medic) Nam vet I am very close to was so hypervigilant that he was constantly jerking his head around at the slightest noise even 30 years later and in the safe and lonely confines of his very own home of many years! He had three Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, having performed heroic measures during several incidents incountry in the late 60's. He was one of the medics the Navy trains who "humped the boonies" right alongside the Marine grunts.

The VA ignored Ken until it was finally no longer possible for him to function -- then they started medicating him into a stupor. He had a car accident driving while overmedicated and nearly died. Then he lay in his own piss and shit in a VA hospital in Virginia, suffering the horrors of the damned alone, until a fellow vet visited him there and contacted a group of vets and friends online about Ken's deplorable conditions. We raised hell and made calls and wrote letters, and Ken was immediately rescued and given star treatment -- but I know the conditions for most others even in that same facility didn't improve much, if at all.

If they don't have someone close to them who can tolerate their behavior and stick it out with them, constantly helping them to cope and also to seek and persistently DEMAND the treatment that they need and deserve from the VA and the broader society in which they live -- what they were PROMISED when they signed up ("first rate health care for life!"), veterans can be left to endure the most horrible fates imaginable in this country they either volunteered or were drafted to "defend."

And remember the eruption of violence into the public domestic sphere like what happened at Virginia Tech yesterday tends to be "contagious" in some sense.

Imagine how many Iraq and Afghanistan vets are watching all this news coverage, and thinking about how close they sometimes feel to a personal explosion of "mindless" violence! The Korean man who caused so much death and destruction on that campus had only two handguns, too, according to reports so far. Imagine an angry, suffering vet's thoughts on how much damage HE could do with much more weaponry, such as the vet in this OP story had....

I started predicting such events as in the OP more loudly ever since I learned they were sending Iraq vets with PTSD symptoms right back into action over there, maybe with medication but with under-diagnoses that are disgracefully but intentionally given.

Their anger at the betrayal they're receiving at the hands of the VA and the government in general -- and possibly in their minds by the public as well, and I can't disagree with them on that for the most part -- just builds and builds as they continue on over time without adequate attention, intervention, and treatment. What they get instead of a proper response, when they do try to get help from the VA, is a cold shoulder at best and outright putdowns and denials of their suffering at worst.

Endless delays, screwed-up appointments, ignoring their urgent needs, treating them like flakes or defectives who should be ashamed ... all that is routine from the VA system. All the while the system is running out the clock on these vets, knowing many will either give up or die.

We're in for a very long time of seeing this sort of outrage in our country. I feel for the vets and their families from the deepest part of me, and I hope that America's citizens WAKE UP to this very serious problem before we see too many incidents like the above to count....

Iraq war veteran holds hostage, wants treatment

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:25 PM
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1. this is so sick how we treat our troops
They fucking never should have gone to Iraq (or Vietnam) in the 1st place. Shit this is disgusting. We dont even treat them after sending them to a needless bloody warzone.

:grr:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:30 PM
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2. This is the tip of the iceberg.
THIS GUY returned in good enough health to make a threat.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:30 PM
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3. Back in 2004, another Fort Riley soldier - an Iraq war vet
was involved in a hostage situation. He was holed up inside his house, with his children - he was armed - demanding the return of his wife, who was currently serving in Iraq...they had both been sent over together, leaving their children behind - one with severe health issues...so severe one parent got to come back a little early but still overloaded and overwhelmed with the responsibility of a sick child in addition to his other children - and everything else life was throwing him at the moment.

He was eventually talked down

drip.drip.drip....

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:31 PM
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4. All PTSD Iraq war veterans want treatment!
:kick: & Recommended!

It is betrayal! They were lied to! :grr:

The * cronies are despicable!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:05 PM
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18. This man had to DEMONSTRATE his potential to GO POSTAL.
He was in command of his faculties enough to focus on the problem and a possible solution. I so wish DUers would respond to what Vickitulsa has offered us here as a rallying point in REAL "support of the troops." Any and all acknowledgements of the situation the *MIC has created for Americans, PARTICULARLY in light of recent events, is deeply appreciated.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:34 PM
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5. I fucking knew it. I guessed the other day that he was an Iraq War veteran.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:39 PM
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6. Elementary, my dear Watson.
Edited on Wed Apr-18-07 05:39 PM by Karenina
:cry:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:59 PM
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7. And this is how we support the troops; the only way this vet got any
attention was to hold his family hostage, do something illegal, and luckily he got talked out of killing someone?
God, someone needs to stop this madness.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:01 PM
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8. THIS is how we support our communities
See: VT shooting
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:03 PM
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9. That's it in a nutshell - it WAS his way of getting what he should've been given
freely by this country.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:52 PM
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10. Freely and GRATEFULLY!
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 12:37 AM
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11. Thanks so much for doing this thread for more visibility, Karenina!
I'm sorry I'm slow to post here but I fell asleep after working in my flower garden today!

The fact is, I have felt great empathy with the Vietnam vets in particular not only because they are of "my" generation but because I've been VERY close to quite a number of them over the years -- almost married one or two along the way, but I wonder even now if I didn't shy away from that because I was concerned for how troubled they might be and how that would impact my life. I feel guilty about it to this day.

But in 1997 when I got my first home computer and went online, the very first thing I did was seek out Nam vets online -- and found them there in abundance! Like so many others, they seem to have found it easier to talk about their problems from the safety of their homes and computers, and if you search for Websites about or by Nam vets, you'll find literally thousands.

There are also many support groups -- or just groups, though I think they all provide "support" -- including at least a half-dozen that I've joined and spent a lot of time in, since most of them welcome non-vets, friends and supporters who care.

I can't begin to count the number of Vietnam vets I have known personally who have died prematurely due largely -- if not solely -- to their service in the military.

The number of illnesses and longterm problems from old injuries are just staggering, but I consider PTSD to be an even bigger problem, frankly, from what I've seen!

I know several who committed suicide, either obviously or less clearly, but nonetheless likely. Know one guy in particular who drove his vehicle head-on into a concrete abutment at 60 mph, which didn't kill him but did disable him further than he already was. I suspect he has passed by now, and he was the most intelligent, caring, brilliant soul who wrote marvelous poems and stories. Confined to a wheelchair, he often "joked" about being good for nothing but "second base," and such sad comments.

His PTSD was also off the charts, as you might imagine. Another personal story I know well is a lady vet who had served stateside during Vietnam, who was in a group I was in called Sanctuary, just for WOMEN vets and their friends and supporters. Her handle was "Eravette," and she was married to a former recon marine (LRRP or "lurps" which is longrange recon, known as "sneak and peaks" which is a very lonely and dangerous job crawling through the jungle).

Her husband Jim had been ailing from TROPICAL SPRUE for many years, to the point that he was bedridden and severely disabled, but for all those years the VA refused to classify his illness as "service-related." This is the sticking point for so many of the vets who seek treatment at the VA and compensation they need to support their families and themselves. Often the VA will treat vets for something but absolutely refuse to assess the illness or injury as SERVICE RELATED, therefore the vet gets NO monetary benefits and has a lower priority for treatment options.

IT IS A SIN that this happens so often, to so many, and for so long.

So Eravette's husband Jim and she and their children suffered with this situation as Jim worsened and Eravette fought tirelessly to get the treatment and benefits Jim deserved and they needed so badly. I met her in person in DC in November 1999 (Veterans Day) when I finally was able to go to the Wall. Rode a Greyhound bus 32 hours (one way!) to get there, and stayed four days, meeting so many of the vets I'd come to know and love online, and a lot more besides!

What finally happened was that Eravette arrived home from work one day and checked the mail at the roadside mailbox, overjoyed to finally receive that letter APPROVING Jim's tropical sprue as service related. She ran in the house and upstairs to share the great news with Jim -- only to find him dead in his bed.

THIS IS A TRUE STORY, and I know so many others that are similar that I could write a book about them!

I've done what I could in many cases for guys that I could help fight the endless paperwork-and-persistence battle to get treatment and benefits. Not all succeeded.

What the government knows is that by the very nature of their injuries and illnesses, especially PTSD, these vets find it VERY difficult to carry on such a maddening fight over the YEARS it often takes to prevail! "The System" is deliberately "running out the clock" on the aging vets, and they are doing and will keep doing the SAME THING to all veterans since Vietnam.

I put it starkly when I talk about it -- they are just holding out, refusing benefits and treatment to vets, HOPING THEY WILL ALL GIVE UP OR JUST DIE.

This is a matter of POLICY, though no doubt unwritten policy, at the VA!!

If you think you have ever been put off and delayed and treated shabbily and shamefully by any government agency, I would dare to say you can yet only BEGIN to imagine how far they carry such practices when it comes to helping our veterans.

Yet the young folks keep believing their lies and promises when recruiters tell them they will receive "top rate health care for life!" Often serving in the military tends to run in families; and even the children of older vets who have been so ill treated by the VA still just can't imagine that the Army (or Navy, Air Force or Marines -- or Coast Guard or Reserves or National Guard) would do that to THEM!

It boggles the mind to contemplate how "they" could DO THIS!

But if you have any doubts, just start getting involved in helping vets yourself. SEE how bad it is -- and has always been.

My closeness to this issue is why I am angry beyond words over what Shrub has done, using our military's finest to carry on his wars for profit and greed! I get so furious when I listen to him speak about Iraq or any military subject, I nearly go crazy with rage.

I keep wishing that somehow, all the vets who have experienced disgraceful abuse at the hands of the VA -- and particularly those with obvious, visible injuries like amputations -- could gather at one time in a march on the White House! Let the "news" media take pictures of such a scene and plaster it all over the teevee and print media! Let the public and all those lazy-assed, lying government officials come out and FACE these men and women they've wronged!!!

On crutches, in wheelchairs, limping and rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue for miles ... thousands and thousands of them! People need to SEE that, because most are damn sure not going to spend much time imagining it!

People need to WITNESS the devastation being wrought on our own, and think long and hard as well about the even greater harm being done in other countries to human beings there....

I can't help ranting about this ... it just grieves me to my very core that so many who have been willing to put their bodies and lives and MINDS on the line to protect the rest of us are treated the way they are! I'm FURIOUS and horribly frustrated, and I'm utterly heartbroken as well.

And now over TWO MILLION American service members have served in Iraq! Think about that .......


Yet the war profiteering factory just keeps on rollin' out the destruction and cruelty and misery, with no end in sight -- and no relief for the victims! If ever there was Bad Karma being built up, it's here.



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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:09 AM
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14. ...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 12:41 AM
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12. k&r
:(
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 01:20 AM
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13. There's a wave coming
And it's gonna break the levees. We are in for some very bad times and I know exactly who to blame.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:05 AM
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15. Kick!
:kick:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:09 AM
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16. Thanks for the thread Karenina
Kicked and recommended
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 02:27 PM
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17. Thank YOU for the kick.
Vickitulsa has been just eloquent in her posts. They're long and I never realize it until I've read all the way through. I, too, witnessed the psychic carnage of the 70's. What is happening now is EXPONENTIALLY WORSE. In view of the "events" of the last few days I do wish more would take notice...
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:36 PM
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19. I have to add one more thing, Karenina.
Regarding what you said about it being "exponentially worse" these days ... for I have heard others say this and have thought the same myself sometimes.

The sheer number of Vietnam vets is huge -- the figure was 2.4 million IIRC, and since those vets are aging now -- most of them in their 50's or 60's -- their need to call on the VA for help has ballooned in recent years, putting a strain on what was an already-underfunded VA system. So they wait for as long as six months or a year just to get their first serious exam appointment, and then wait and wait and wait for every step afterward.

But with these two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan dragging on and on as they are, the numbers now are reaching and may soon pass the number of Nam vets! Also it's VERY disturbing that so many are having tours extended, are being re-deployed multiple times, and are sent back even after being checked out for PTSD -- and often assessed as something short of that, medicated (or not) and sent back into action anyway.

This is what I foresee causing such a FLOOD of cases of PTSD for the VA system which keeps having its funding CUT by this administration! They're trying to "re-use" the same troops, partly because they're "experienced" incountry so don't have a new learning curve, partly because (I think) they're hoping that way to keep down the total number of troops they use up in those two wars in the ME.

I feel that we as the broader society in which these vets will be living when they are finally allowed to return and STAY HOME simply MUST do more to keep attention where it needs to be on getting the help that's needed to them and not forgetting all about them -- as we are sure to want to forget all about these wars!

I'm even thinking of starting (or joining) some sort of organization geared toward precisely this end. I can feel it in my bones that, with everyone here at home so very sick of hearing and thinking about Iraq, this latest round of vets might well find they are shunned and ignored and forgotten simply because they will be reminders to all of us. Just like the Nam vets were, minus the animosity dished out to them, maybe.

Can't say often enough how wrong it will be if this happens, and I hope people prove me wrong.


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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:53 PM
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20. Thanks for posting this Karenina and Vickitulsa
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 09:56 PM by Time for change
The indifference to pain and suffering of this administration knows no bounds.

The ones who they think they can still use, they send back in. The ones who they's rather not deal with any more, they kick them out and take away all their benefits whenever they can.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x543740
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:52 PM
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21. So many, cheated and abused...
Thank you for posting that link, TfC! :loveya:
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kitkatrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 07:06 PM
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22. K & R!
:kick:
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