When they started negotiating a health care bill they should have started with Single Payer.

[sellitman]

Then just maybe then would the Repiggies, Insurance company whores and Blue Dogs would of bargained it down to a public option.

When they started at a public option the result of negotiations will leave us with a crappy bill that our yellow bellied Democrats will try to pawn off as "better than nothing".

Which sucks.

The Dirt Baggers er ...ah um...Tea Baggers have won.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. Or, in reality, it would've ended negotiation altogether. (nt)

[Proud Liberal Dem]

6. Most likely

IMHO Single Payer will, unfortunately, remain politically non-viable until enough Americans have been deprogrammed from three decades of demonizing and "wrecking" of government to realize that government can and does do good things for people and that private companies in the pursuit of outrageous profits don't care about anything (or anybody) but the bottom line. Even the near-fatal collapse of the entire economy this past year is STILL not enough to prove to people that we need to have a government "safety net" to care for its citizens when the private sector lets us down. Until the image of government is restored to something like what it was during and since FDR's New Deal, a public healthcare option, even one that starts small and meager, is a good first step to helping people begin to view government (and the need therefor) in a more positive and less hostile light. :shrug:

[Romulox]

2. You argument presupposes that "they" desired a different outcome

Occam's razor suggests that the Democratic leadership took single payer off the table because they desired to settle on some sort of meager "public option" from the very beginning.

[sellitman]

3. You are probably right

I just hate admitting it.

[Echo In Light]

5. Exactly. However, far too ugly and 'conspiratorial' for many to swallow

[kenny blankenship]

4. I understand their reticence: if you intend to end with bullshit it's better to start with bullshit

Let's face it. This ordeal was never about creating a functioning health care system. We thought it was but it wasn't. The insurance racketeers were waaaay ahead of us and provided for the day their racket would run aground. They bought all the guys they needed to buy and then some. They knew one day the cry for reform would go up again and to get out in front of it, they bought all our guys off so that when the day came, reform would be approached from the angle of preserving the decrepit and abusive system, not from the angle of fundamentally changing it.

[damntexdem]

7. Well, actually, when they finished negotiating, they should have ended with Single Payer.

But it ain't gonna happen.

We need to really push for the PO to be an option available to all.

[Cleita]

8. We all knew that but the glass half full people said it was okay to

cave into a public option because they would do the right thing wouldn't they? Now we know.

[superkia]

9. If they were really on our side, I would suggest giving in and...

taking the public option out. Ok, I would then just bail on the whole bill and say now we want to go for single payer for all but then people would go to the streets to support them and they would have to do it so it wont happen. Its all a game and most of us play along so they will continue to win as we the people continue to lose.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. No one likes to talk about this ...... buyt you're right.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6870134&mesg_id=6870134

This kind of thinking doesn't fit the cheerleader agenda.