Looks like the Chamber of Commerce is blowing their entire anti HCR ad budget today

[tridim]

I've seen their POS anti-HCR/anti-American commercial about 50 times today on MSNBC. It's almost as if they want small buisinesses to fail. Now why would they want that? Fucking bastards. :eyes:

Can anyone verify if they're advertising on other channels?

[madrchsod]

1. they should have saved their money...they just won.

real healthcare reform is DOA

[tridim]

2. No it's not.

If you don't have anything of substance to add, please get off my thread.

[sui generis]

6. silly rabbit, threads are for everyone.

if you wanted to have a thread where everyone just agrees with you, there are conservative forums for that.

HCR is effectively neutered without a "strong" public option. All it does is jerk money out of the accounts of people who can least afford it, even with subsidies. It is an astonishing victory for big business, with no check or balances governing whether you will have a fair or even competitive premium, especially with a ball-less public option.

It should only ever have been an extension to medicare, but all the insurance companies laughing on the way to the bank are drowning out the pathetic lonesome beep coming from my give-a-shitter.

[tridim]

7. The poster said HCR is dead.

That is a LIE.

Liars will be called out.

[sui generis]

9. I don't want to be a schoolmarm

BUT

Lie, liars, lying, is what children say when they get frustrated with nuance. It's not a phrase normally used among adults unless you have evidence that somebody has an agenda or a reason to try to dissemble - not trying to be mean but to correct use of it as an accusative.

HCR is important, but just as important is that people have enough passion about the topic to feel disappointed when it's not what they expected. If someone expresses that it's "dead" then remember they had enough passion to want to see it maybe in a purer form, whatever, not the form we're getting gladhanded right now.

In a very real sense, the original idea of Health Care Reform has been boonswoggled away from this solution which is a big payout to the health INSURANCE industry.

Saying HCR is dead is hyperbolic, and an expression of disappointment, not a statement of absolute truth.

[tridim]

10. The OP did a drive-by and is now vapor.

Why? He/she was lying, obfuscating, misinforming. Call it whatever you want, it all boils down to F.U.D.

I'll call it what it is, a lie. A drive-by lie. The same thing that Dick Armey's anti-HCR firm and The Chamber of Commerce do on TV every day.

[T Wolf]

3. They represent big business, not Mom and Pop. They are pushing for policies that

will Wal-Mart the entire US economy.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

4. You would think that the Chamber of Commerce would want to get the monkey of healthcare off the back

of American business!

[Elwood P Dowd]

8. They don't care about small business.

They work for giant corporations, and they want the workers to be totally dependent on those corporations for health care. It's a form of corporate slavery where workers are scared shitless of losing their healthcare and will do anything to keep it.

[ejpoeta]

5. are you kidding!! i'll bet as long as they and the health care companies are on the same side

then they've got an unending supply of funds to run ads.