Howard Dean said it publicly first. Was lambasted by Axelrod.

[Horse with no Name]

Regardless, it is NICE to see it as a being taken for truth, although it would be nice to see a little appreciation thrown to Dr. Dean from the White House for not only enduring the wrath of the republicans, but the wrath from our side of the aisle.
http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2005-06-13/#tv5
Responding to comments by Vice President Dick Cheney on a Fox News telecast Sunday morning, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean told a Chicago audience Sunday afternoon, "My view is Fox News is a propaganda outlet for the Republican Party and I don't comment on Fox News." Dean's comments came at the Rainbow-PUSH coalition conference after he was strongly criticized earlier in the week by Democratic strategist David Axelrod, who said that the party was unlikely to lure Republican voters "if the chairman of the Democratic Party is out there gratuitously characterizing all Republicans in a truly nasty way."

[varelse]

1. Now it's the official administration line

what comes around, goes around?

[BrklynLiberal]

2. I would love to see Dr Dean recognized for any of the many, many truths he has told,

and the processes he installed that more or less got Obama elected.

[Ardent15]

3. Rahm as Chief of Staff=that not happening. nt

[inna]

5. ?

could you clarify what you mean?

[madfloridian]

7. I can clarify.

From 2006...The Thumpin

The relationship that epitomizes the rift between Emanuel and the party base is the congressman's tenuous partnership with Democratic National Committee chair Howard Dean. As the book relates, Emanuel spent most of the campaign furious with Dean, whose Fifty State Strategy to build up party infrastructure nationwide he saw as little more than a way to throw money to the wind. In May 2006, Emanuel and Senator Charles Schumer, his counterpart in the Senate, met with Dean to ask for more money for their respective campaigns. Banging his hand on the table, Emanuel chided Dean's grassroots plan, "No disrespect, but some of us are arrogant enough, we come from Chicago, we think we know what it means to knock on a door. You're nowhere Howard. Your field plan is not a field plan. That's fucking bullshit." The two wouldn't speak again until election time.

With or without Dean, Emanuel is a master fundraiser; he spent most of the 22 months before the midterm elections raising money, yelling at candidates to raise money, and yelling at donors to pledge more money. And it worked. The Democrats, who have always trailed Republicans in fundraising, raised more money last year than they had in any previous campaign for Congress ($140 million to the Republican's $175 million).

To be sure, there's some benefit to breaking fundraising records. But any Emanuel-style strategy of focusing on the wealthy is sure to exclude from candidacy all but the wealthiest and those who know how to attract them. If the Democrats continue on this path, finding candidates who represent a district's constituents will become increasingly difficult as those very constituents are shut out. Too bad that this, as Bendavid points out, is no longer Emanuel's fucking problem. Neftali Bendavid

[Horse with no Name]

10. Excellent.

In other words--the Blue Dogs are Rahm's doing.
He threw out REAL Democrats to install his "periwinkle pups".

[Hawkeye-X]

23. I want Rahm fired, his so-called integrity taken away and stomped into the ground

That POS is ruining Obama's career before it has begun.

Dean is more than qualified to be the President of the United States. I am proud to be an Deaniac, and I will support Dean 100% every time. He's been right all along, and constantly get hammered for it. If Obama fails to deliver the health care that we have been looking for, I will support any draft for Dr. Dean in 2012. Remember, Obama staked his entire career on the passage of the robust heath care plan. What he's trying to pass is a joke so far. If HR 676 amendment that is being offered by Rep. Weiner and its counterpart accepted into it, and Obama signs it into law, and is put in effect IMMEDIATELY, not 2013, then Dr. Dean's job is finally complete.

Hawkeye-X

[Horse with no Name]

8. Rahm was too happy to take full credit for Dean's grassroots

election victories.
I doubt he will give him credit for anything else.

[BrklynLiberal]

15. Yep. It sure looked that way. They acted as if Dean did not exist.

and where would they be today if the 2006 elections had not turned around thanks in no small part to the Dean strategy.

[madrchsod]

14. if rahm was from the suburbs he`d run as a republican.

since he`s from chicago he had to run as a democrat. there`s no love lost between the progressives in illinois and rahm.

[yurbud]

22. Rahm is a corporate tool

[madfloridian]

4. I remember clearly when Axelrod put Dean down publicly about that.

I remember when he said we were no safer with Saddam captured, and the other 8 candidates ridiculed him for that.

He dared to call the DLC the Republican Wing of the party, and they will never recognize his legitimacy as a party leader.

Do you remember when he said that? I do. Jimmy Breslin wrote a powerful piece defending Dean from his own party's wrath.

No safer with Saddam in the slammer

January 2, 2004

First, the other day, Howard Dean, candidate for president, said he didn't think that the capture of Saddam Hussein made us any safer in America. The other politicians screamed that he was un-American..."On the day he was found, an American soldier was killed. After that, 10 more were killed in a week. The Homeland Security raised the alert to orange. Planes coming to New York from Paris, London and Mexico were canceled. New Year's Eve in Times Square was a neon arsenal."

...."Of course we were no safer with Saddam in a detention pen. And Dean was a miserable traitor for saying this, his opponents raged. Howard Dean then said that maybe he was old-fashioned but he didn't think you could judge or punish Osama bin Laden until you had a trial and found him guilty. That was as controversial as saying that when it rains in Queens, the Van Wyck Expressway gets wet. But suddenly, the Democratic candidates said the statement was atrociously unpatriotic. How can this man Dean say that bin Laden deserves a trial? They said that this was a perfect illustration of Dean talking without thought. And completely un-American, too.

..."In 1945, they had the Nuremberg trial, for Nazis who had killed tens and tens of millions, and had a judge, witnesses, evidence and defense counsel. Because he wants the same thing for bin Laden they say that Dean wants to sell out America. Joseph Leiberman, who is a peripheral candidate now and thus a nasty little man, said that because Dean wants a fair trial Dean is despicable and so weak that he would melt in the face of George W. Bush.

John Kerry and Dick Gephardt were wildly opposed.

Yet all Dean has to do in this big Des Moines debate Sunday is ask each candidate, "Are you in favor of sentencing bin Laden before you have a trial?"

Let them answer in front of a country that is better than they are.

[Horse with no Name]

6. Perfect.

Excellent, as always.

[madfloridian]

13. Every time he spoke truth, the party went after him....so did DU

And I was always in trouble because I spoke up about the dishonesty of it all.

I was alerted on and deleted so much it was unbelievable.

[Horse with no Name]

20. Yep. He was surely targeted (Dean scream for one)

There was NO way the powers-that-be would let someone like Howard Dean within an ass-throw of the White House.
He wasn't even invited into this administration.:eyes:

[Hawkeye-X]

24. madfloridian - I stand with you every time.

I know how tough it was for us Deaniacs to deal with the pathetic effort of John Kerry, knowing that if Dean was nominated in 2004, we STILL would have Dr. Dean working with us during his 2nd term, and possibly grooming the next Dr. Dean for 2012 and beyond.

Hawkeye-X

[Sebastian Doyle]

27. +1

What happenned in Iowa in 2004 was a DLC crime, and the entire country is still paying for it. :evilfrown:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

29. Vote swapping.

:grr:

[ChoppinBroccoli]

9. I Remember When Howard Was The First To Suggest...........

.............that the raising of the terror levels in 2004 was done for political purposes. I remember this distinctly because I was watching when he said it on one of the Sunday morning talk shows. My "Bush Can Do No Wrong" father-in-law was in the room at the time and went on an angry tirade about what an idiot Howard was, and ended up calling him a name I cannot re-print here and angrily stomping out of the room. Imagine how Howard and I BOTH must have felt when Tom Ridge ADMITTED IT a few months ago.

Maybe it's just the Deaniac in me that refuses to die, but I've been noticing that a lot of the things Howard was saying years ago are starting to either come true and/or be proven true now. It broke my heart to see him lose the nomination in 2004, but it's hard for me to complain too much (after all, we have Obama now).

[madfloridian]

11. "out comes tom ridge"

The party really attacked him over that truth telling.

Governor Dean, thanks very much for joining us.

And I want to immediately get your reaction to both of these developing stories. First, the decision by the federal government, the Department of Homeland Security, to increase the threat level here in Washington, D.C., from yellow to orange, from elevated to high. What do you make of this?

HOWARD DEAN, FORMER GOVERNOR OF VERMONT: It's hard to know what to make. None of us outside the administration have access to the intelligence, which led to this determination.

I am concerned that every time something happens that's not good for President Bush he plays this trump card, which is terrorism. His whole campaign is based on the notion that "I can keep you safe, therefore at times of difficulty for America stick with me," and then out comes Tom Ridge.

It's just impossible to know how much of this is real and how much of this is politics, and I suspect there's some of both in it.

"Ridge also granted an extensive interview to CNN's Newsnight With Aaron Brown, in which he addressed the charges that the Administration was playing politics, saying, "I regret that there's an inference that this kind of public revelation of information is. . .political. It clearly was not and it never will be."

[BrklynLiberal]

16. I was a Deaniac also. Went up to NH from NYC to go to a rally for him.

He was definitely my first choice in 2004.

[jaysunb]

18. I also went to N.H. (Keene)

15 below zero....:evilfrown: 95 degree flip from So Cal in January.

The Gov and I still laugh about to this day.

[PassingFair]

19. I'm still a Deaniac....

and he is still speaking for me!

[Horse with no Name]

21. +1000. n/t

[xchrom]

12. kick

[jaysunb]

17. I always thought it was just Rahm.

Sooo, :evilfrown:

[mzmolly]

25. Dean has always been a step ahead.

:hi:

[RainDog]

26. I'm a Dean democrat

He would be a great president. I hope he will be one day.

[lonestarnot]

28. Howard Dean is a genius!

Bravo Howard Dean! :applause: :loveya: