"The Ku Klux Klan is an almost totally non-violent organisation."

[Jackeens]

Griffin under fire: 'Send him to the South Pole. It's colourless there'



The leader of the British National Party was greeted by hundreds of protesters outside the BBC's London headquarters and ridicule within it last night as audience members and his fellow panellists turned on him during his controversial appearance on Question Time.

Though Nick Griffin claimed he was able to "land a few punches" during his appearance on the hour-long programme last night, other panellists left believing he had damaged his campaign to broaden his party's appeal by refusing an opportunity to say he was not a Holocaust denier, attacking "creepy" homosexuality, and claiming that the white supremacist group, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), was a predominantly non-violent organisation.

In a programme dominated by an examination of the views of the far-right party's leader, Mr Griffin claimed white Britons felt, "shut out in our own country", adding: "We are the aborigines here." ......Mr Dimbleby also intervened early on, bringing up a picture showing Mr Griffin with a member of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke. Mr Griffin drew laughter from his fellow panellists and gasps from members after he described the KKK as an "almost totally non-violent" organisation.

Mr Griffin turned his fire on the gay community, arguing that he and others found the "sight of two grown men kissing in public really creepy". He added that "militant homosexuals" should not have the right to teach homosexuality to schoolchildren. "That is perverse," he said.

....Speaking after the recording, Mr Griffin complained that the audience had been hostile because the BBC had chosen to broadcast the show from London. "They put us on in London where the indigenous population is in the minority so we don't have much sympathy or support," he said.

More: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/griffin-under-fire-send-him-to-the-south-pole-its-colourless-there-1807755.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-bbc-gave-griffin-the-oxygen-of-publicity-he-choked-1807627.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/martin-wilson-i-dont-think-he-enjoyed-it-very-much-1807628.html



Anti British National Party (BNP) protestor in a mask of Nick Griffin with a Hitler style moustache drawn-on poses in front of police during a demonstration outside BBC Television Centre in west London October 22, 2009. Hundreds of angry demonstrators besieged the BBC's television studios on Thursday to protest against a planned appearance by the leader of the far-right British National Party on a flagship political programme.





British riot police officers guard one of the entrances of the offices of BBC in west London, during a demonstration by anti-fascist protesters



British police officers arrest an anti-fascist demonstrator during clashes outside the offices of the BBC in west London

[rocktivity]

1. Which is a lot like being almost totally non-pregant.

:eyes:
rocktivity

[Johonny]

10. kick

[TicketyBoo]

21. Or

almost totally non-dead.

[jonnyblitz]

2. we actually had a female DUer from the south once proclaim

awhile back that the Klan wasn't racist until their resurgence in the 1920's. they were apparently "innocuous" in their first incarnation. :crazy:

[Jackeens]

4. Jesus! Just Boy Scouts with silly hats? Right.

:eyes:

[jonnyblitz]

8. I have watched a few BBC shows on the BNP. I remember one

show featured this real young dude running for office as a BNP candidate. the interviewer caught him on camera praising hitler ,etc.

here is something about the show I saw. it was a "Dispatches" episode. (this is why i love the internet, i would never have seen this otherwise.
"young, nazi, and proud" about some guy named Mark Collett
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/articles/young-nazi-and-proud-collett-in-bbc-race-row

[Jackeens]

12. Ah, the lovely Mark Collett

I remember him from a documentary Russell Brand did a few years ago.



Some of his finest moments:

ON WINSTON CHURCHILL “Churchill was a f****** c*** who led us into a pointless war with other whites standing up for their race.”

ON THE PRINCE OF WALES “He’s a f****** traitor. Did you hear him say we needed more mosques in this country? All Muslims are anti-British terrorists.”

ON WHETHER BRITISH-BORN BLACKS ARE BRITISH “Just because a dog is brought up in a stable doesn’t make him a horse.”

ON THE ROYAL FAMILY “The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”

ON AIDS A “friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it.”

ON JEWS “There’s not a European country the Jews haven’t been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it’s not just persecution. There’s no smoke without fire.”

ON ADOLF HITLER “Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article633579.ece

[jonnyblitz]

26. that's the documentary I saw. I found it on a torrent site by

while looking for something else somewhat related in theme.

[JoeyT]

5. Not surprising

That's a pretty common claim down here, so it doesn't shock me someone might repeat it.
It's also complete nonsense. The first time around they were more secretive. They didn't get a lot of attention for cross burnings and rallies because they were hiding. And because they were too busy attacking minorities and Catholics to bother.

[jonnyblitz]

7. this lady didn't come off as racist otherwise either. She was a

frequent poster at the time and I do believe she said she was married to a muslim or somebody from the middle east. she lived in Alabama. I can't even begin to remember her screenname. i would say this was about 2004 or 2005.

[Berry Cool]

3. The ropes?? They just needed those for tug-o-war games at their annual picnics. n/t

[Brickbat]

6. Details, details!

If not for that "almost"...

[obliviously]

9. All of these people whoever they are look pretty violent to me!

[Occam Bandage]

11. The BNP is seriously fascist. Not like Bush-level fascist. They're like NSDAP-level fascist. nt

[Are_grits_groceries]

13. Only if he means Krispy Kreme Kids.

He is sadly mistaken, and doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

14. The Klu Klux Klan is an almost totally *defunct* organisation.

The reason that Klan (specifically Klan, not "white supremacist") violence is so rare nowadays is because the Klan itself is so rare - it's largely been superceded by other white supremacist groups, I believe.

[lunatica]

16. They've only taken off the sheets

They blend in to the white race now. If anyone thinks the KKK mentality is gone they're being naive. What do you think the white fellas wearing their guns at Obama's Town Hall meetings were?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

17. Aryan Nations? CCC? I'm not sure what the largest white supremacist groups are at the moment.

White supremacism in America is anything but gone, I fully agree.

But I think that referring to it as "the Klu Klux Klan mentality" is possibly putting the cart before the horse - I would say that the Klan were an expression of that mentality, rather than the cause of it.

The Klan was to white supremacism as Oxfam is to third world aid - the largest and most visible group supporting it, but not (sadly) with a monopoly on it, and not the originators of it. Now (I believe, I'm not an expert) they're largely defunct, but there are other large white racist groups instead.

I don't know the answer to your question, I'm afraid - if I had to guess, I would say that "Aryan Nations" and "Council of Conservative Citizens" were among the most likely answers, but I don't know for sure which the largest or most visible groups supporting the same agenda as the Klan are.

My point is *not* that the Klan's agenda is in any way gone; it's that the Klan as an organisation are no longer the main proponents of that agenda.

[Forkboy]

20. The Republicans.

[pampango]

22. To some extent, but the BNP has not counterpart for Michael Steele. n/t

[Ganja Ninja]

19. They took off the sheets and joined the GOP. n/t

[Forkboy]

15. This is why I was glad he was allowed to speak.

These asswipes lose support every time they open their mouths. I hope he makes some ads, too. :)

[spanone]

18. 'almost' bwahahahahaaa...

[TicketyBoo]

23. How disappointing.

I thought that this nonsense was exclusive to the USA. Where does anyone get the idea that racist is the way to be? I just can't figure that out.

[lunatica]

25. Why do you think it's exclusive to the US?

Germany had Hitler. The USSR had Lenin and Stalin. Mussolini, Tito, Franco, etc. They all had their favorite scapegoats just like the American Supremacists and the KKK have. There's Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Mugabe and the list goes on and on.

I don't think anything is exclusive to the US except that we don't have a government that makes crimes against a group of it's own people official policy. We could have come close with the Bush administration but only if they were still in power. Eventually some group was going to be the official scapegoat by the neo con Republicans if only to keep us divided and distracted while they kicked ass in whatever country happened to be sitting on our god given oil deposits.

[TicketyBoo]

27. Of course

I know about history, but I thought (hoped) that was relegated to the past. I guess I just see so much of it up close that it rather blinds me to that which is far away.

Sad; sad for us all.

[denem]

24. Actually he said "an ALWAYS totally non-violent" Klu Klux Klan

You can watch the video for yourself:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6887091.ece

[TicketyBoo]

28. And he is totally

full of BS.

[Blue_Tires]

29. sadly Operation Rescue gets away with spewing the 'nonviolent' lie, too