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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 10:57 AM
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Just got this email re: "Single Payer Lives" (with links/action pages)



Speak Out To Support The Members Of Congress Still Fighting For Us On
Health Care

After an anti-heroic 6 month campaign by Congress to avoid
confronting the real problem in any meaningful way, that insurance
company overhead and outlandish, undeserved profits are bleeding our
health care system to death, the headline read, "Get ready to pay
more for your health coverage."

But elsewhere the headline also read, "Public option backers fight
on." Because there ARE valiant members of Congress who are still
fighting for good public policy, Anthony Weiner with an amendment to
substitute HR 676 for the core of HR 3200, the Kucinich amendment to
allow states to implement their own single payer plans, and the
Sanders (S 703) amendment on the Senate side. Any or all of these
amendments can and WILL pass if only we speak up in sufficient
numbers. Please make your voice heard today.

Single Payer Amendments Action Page:
http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1013.php

Now let us be clear, any so-called "public option" short of true
single payer is just an exercise in seeing how much they can cripple
any actual remedy. Single payer is the ONLY strong public option. But
in the meantime the latest word from the White House is that
President Obama "prefers" a public option, but is not going to demand
it. So what is this all about, "change we would prefer," or something
like that? Would the American people have elected a candidate with
the slogan, "Change we would prefer?" We think not.

So who is going to demand it? Who IS going to stand up and fight for
REAL change? . . . And the answer is the same as it has always been,
we the people. Because unless we the people make our voices heard,
and unless we keep speaking out regardless of how many defeatist
sirens in the corporate media try to persuade us to lay down our
tongues without a fight, none of our champions can prevail alone.

And it looks like at least some semblance of a robust public option
may come out of the House, and only because of the pressure we have
applied with our voices already, mind you. But of course corporate
forces will try to get that compromised away yet further in the
Senate. So our message to our House members is this, "We will hold
you accountable if the FINAL bill does not contain a STRONG public
option."

Single Payer Amendments Action Page:
http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1013.php

It is not enough for them to just cast a vote in their own chamber
and say, "Well, gosh we tried." No, we expect our House members to
actually fight for us, to stick to their guns and not just roll over
at the finish line. Because of one thing you can be sure, the
American people at large will hold them accountable in the end.

If the Baucus bill looks like it was written by the Republicans, it's
because, surprise, surprise . . . it was. The Democrats have the
votes to pass ANYTHING they really want. But they have bent over
backwards so far to try to appease the obstructionist Republicans
whose votes they will never get, not to mention their own corporate
handlers, that we now have a Republican bill that the Republicans
themselves can disown. So when the American people finally wake up to
how much the Baucus bill is a corporate slanted con job, they will
vent their wrath on the Democrats and the Republicans take their
seats back. Pretty slick, huh?

But they can't get away with any of this stuff unless we are silent,
unless they think they can get away with fooling us. So speak out and
keep speaking out, so they know the people are paying attention this
time and will NOT be fooled. We may have to fight this state by state
for many years. We have been fighting this fight so many years
already. We're not going to stop now.

And here is the one click Facebook page for this action.

Single Payer Amendments Action:
http://apps.facebook.com/fb_voices/action.php?qnum=pnum1013

And the Twitter reply to send, to send this message to all your
members of Congress that way, is
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:09 AM
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1. REC
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:10 AM
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2. Ask the CBO about scoring Weiner's amendment.
[email protected]


Call congress and ask when they'll be debating it.

800-828-0498


K&R
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:16 AM
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3. Single Payer is NOT the ONLY strong Public Option
jeez....
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:37 AM
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5. weren't you just talking about people being nicer around here?
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 11:46 AM by The Hope Mobile
I just posted the email. I didn't write it. Either way, I have a right to my opinion and you to yours. If you want to explain your position - that's cool, but just being condescending and rude is not.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:07 PM
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8. Do you HONESTLY consider my response mean?
honestly?
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:10 PM
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12. I think "jeez" is condescending and basically implies that
anyone who thinks other than you do is stupid. Yes. I just found it ironic after your thread about being more respectful.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:29 PM
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15. There is a difference between being exasperated
with absolutism, and with being rude.
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pissedoffhippie Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:31 AM
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4. Healthcare reform is complex
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 11:35 AM by pissedoffhippie
First, you need to listen to this weeks "This American Life" on NPR. It's all about the medical insurance industry. It gets really interesting in the end, when a guy named Reinhart, an economist from Princeton, makes the case that making health insurance more competitive may actually drive up the prices, and that includes having a public option. His solution is having price controls, which sounds ok to me, if it works I'm all for it. I'm not afraid of socialism nor do I consider it a dirty word. Reinhart goes on to give an example, the State of Maryland currently sets the prices for all medical procedures. One price of all. Sounds great. But then I looked up a study comparing costs across the US. It turns out that Maryland's prices are above average. WTF?

If Maryland is the model to emulate, why are the costs for medicine in Maryland in the "third quartile" according to this study:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/Fund-Reports/2009/Oct/2009-State-Scorecard.aspx#
which I believe means the cost is above average?

Is the State of Maryland overpricing procedures? Why? Are the insurance companies lobbying (giving money, perks) the legislators to keep the prices up? Something isn't working in Maryland and this needs to be looked into before the federal government gets caught in the same bind.

So,maybe the lesson is, we can't "reform" part of the system without reforming the whole.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:40 AM
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6. Valuable points! I would definitely be happy with price controls. . .
and I have no problem with socialism either. Thanks!
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:09 PM
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9. Price controls alone can't bring down the cost of covering all,
since the premiums or gov't subsidy still has to cover the exhorbitant overhead of keeping multiple private insurers in the system.

For instance, the way H.R. 3200 sets premiums is to have the Health Commissioner's office do a study on costs to private insurers of providing coverage (overhead and all) gives them a certain amount above that, and matches the gov't underwritten plan's premium to what they allow the private insurers.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:12 PM
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14. Good points also . . .
although I don't think anyone meant price controls only as a way to fix all.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:02 PM
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7. Done.
Wrote a few lines saying how only single payer could cut costs enough to stimulate the economy and allow us to cover all, asked them to support whichever of the 3 bills comes before them, said that the constituency wants it (in my state that is true for the majority), and that it is the only decent, humane thing to do.

The fallback, minimum acceptable position for single-payer advocates should be passage of Kucinich's amendment allowing states to enact single payer, and a similar provision in the Senate.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:27 PM
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10. Done! KR+12.
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pissedoffhippie Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. OK I'm stupid, what does KR + 12 or 13 mean?
pissedoff hippie is more pissed when he doesn't know what's going on.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:47 PM
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11. K&R.....rec UP to +13
Allowing anyone to buy into Medicare IS the ONLY "strong" or "robust" Public Option.
I would be fine with individual mandates if Medicare is an available option.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:12 PM
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13. back up to 13
again.. :shrug:
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pissedoffhippie Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. uh?
what's all this KR jazz?
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