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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:13 PM
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Did anyone else see the scare tactic (and inaccurate) show on "surviving" a nuclear attack on Spike
last night?

It assumed a 10kT (I'm assuming fission) blast in a 500,000 person US city.

OMG it had all sorts of things wrong with it.

Apparently the clown narrating it has no idea of just how disruptive such an attack would be.

He seems to think the military would be on top of the situation in 72 hours...

:crazy:

They couldn't manage Katrina in 72 hours.

He apparently doesn't realize either that every window in about an 8 mile radius would be blown out by the blast overpressure and the overpressure wave alone would kill people out to about 1.5 miles.

He also doesn't undestand that there would be a huge gamma ray burst at the initial detonation, NOT just from the fall out.

Stuff like this just scares people and then gives them a false sense of security about what to do.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:15 PM
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1. Spike, eh?
I'm shocked.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:17 PM
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2. Yeah from the idiots who brought you "MANswers..."
:rofl:

It was about a half step better than "MANSwers" but still much worse than "The Sum of All Fears" which itself had significant inaccuracies.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:17 PM
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3. i'll give props to spike
for ultimate fighter. but they should stick to stuff like that, not science that is done badly

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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:45 PM
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4. Hiroshima was a 15 kt burst I believe.

Look what happened to them.

If a 1-2 kt went of in the center of a city then it would be seriously screwed.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 01:05 PM
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6. Hiroshima was also a city constructed largely of wood and not to modern U.S. codes
but it would be bad enough nonetheless.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:38 PM
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8. How many US cites are built to withstand a 2 kt blast?
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 04:43 PM by MUAD_DIB
Is that part of the specifications these days? :shrug:
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:09 PM
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10. Um NO but reinforced concrete and steel does a lot better than bamboo and wood.
and certain areas have tougher codes for hurricane and earthquake survivability and all areas have tougher fire codes. Clearly nothing is going to stand up to a nuke within a certain radius but on the whole, we'd do better than Hiroshima.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:18 PM
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12. Who cares about the buildings . You are still going to be burned
into ash . Back during the Cuban missile crisis they told us getting under a desk and the draps pulled across the windows would make us safe.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:48 PM
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5. i thought it smelled like bullshit
but don't have the knowledge of these things to contest it.

have to tell hubby when he gets home tonight because I think he believed a lot of it so I straighten him out.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 01:11 PM
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7. In 1966 in junior high school I had an earth science teacher who told us
that if there was a nuclear attack while we were at school they would not keep us, but they would send us home to die there.

Now that was honesty.
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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:03 PM
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9. I'm no expert
but a 10 kT bomb will still be fusion, as all modern nukes are. The reason they make them smaller is that you can reap much more damage with many smaller bombs than you can with one big bomb for the same quantity of nuclear material.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:11 PM
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11. But this is a terrorist scenario and simple fission devices are much easier to construct
(which is why they ended up being developed first.)

and 10kT is very small for any kind of a fusion device.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:34 AM
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14. No 10kt will be fission only.
In a hydrogen bomb the fission bomb is a trigger to detonate a much larger yield fusing hydrogen into helium. 180kt - 50,000kt is possible.

If you are going to "only" detonate 15kt then there is no need to go beyond fission.

Even US "variable yield" bombs which has fusion booster simply deactivate the second stage when dialed down to <30kt.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:20 AM
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13. did he tell people to use duct tape and plastic? or to hide under two saw horses covered
with dirt?

duck and cover, anyone?

seriously, having lived at what would have been a ground zero for many years, I always had the same view as Dr. Helen Caldicott--a nuclear war would be the first time the living would envy the dead.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:36 AM
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15. No, and I had to look up what SPIKE was.
After having done so I know how I missed it.
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