TX H.S. Students School Spirit Tee Shirt = sick & misogynistic? Whatcha think?

[elehhhhna]

File under "Only in Texas"





October 07, 2009
Did you see the headline about two horses doing a cheerleader?

Chronicle
Mustangs should not be harassing cheerleaders.


Warning: Many of the links in this post contain images that are inappropriate and not safe for work. Some of them depict images created by children with very dirty minds.

Apparently this story's been going around and around on sports blogs, but being that I don't care a whole lot about sports I didn't see it until someone sent me the Jezebel link.

The kids at Memorial High like to show their school pride by creating signs and cartoons depicting their mascot, the mustang, holding down and having their way with rival Stratford's cheerleaders. It's the most recent t-shirt with an image of two mustangs holding down one girl that's gotten the attention, but apparently it's a time-honored tradition...

http://blogs.chron.com/momhouston/2009/10/did_you_see_the_headline_about.html

[Posteritatis]

1. ... Wow. (nt)

[BlooInBloo]

2. HOLY CRAP!

[demmiblue]

3. WTF?

How sick and inappropriate.

[jkshaw]

4. Yuk

[KansDem]

5. Doesn't leave much to the imagination...

I don't think I'd have much in common with the creators of this image.

[RagAss]

6. WOW...That's worth a cheap shot at a QB's knee !

[Quantess]

This had better be the work of a student, and it had better be an unofficial HS t-shirt.

Any adult who approved this deserves to be fired.

[LuvNewcastle]

7. These children's parents let them

wear these bestiality t-shirts? I hate to think what my parents would've said.

[elehhhhna]

13. it's a "secret" thing the students cook up all by themselves.

but GEEZ.

[Bucky]

8. That's in Houston. Memoriall High is at Ground Zero for the GOP ignorance bomb

Yes, the kids who go to Memorial are the shallow frat rats who go to college still acting like they're in junior high school. Sexual denigration of women is part of the social power structure that supports them. I'm not surprised they reflect those values, even if the parents who taught them to think that way do act "shocked and offended" once it all comes out.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

9. If this is for real

that's 'messed up' as the kids say...............

[TexasObserver]

10. It's a very good public school, but has many children of well to do Republicans.

You're talking a box that goes 75-85% Republican, and not fundies, either.

[lapfog_1]

11. Holy crap!

Recently there was a thread about a high school pep squad dance that was objected to by many parents because the moves were "suggestive". I watched the video of that dance and the girls were full clothed and other than a few "hip rotates" and one "butt shake" it was very tame. I was expecting stripper moves. Not even close.

But this Tee-shirt. Just wow. What were they thinking? What were the adults that allowed this thinking?

It's OK to show simulated bestiality because it's the rivals teenage cheerleaders depicted on the Tee-shirt?

WTF?

[Quantess]

14. I just read the school's official statement about it:

Statement on Inappropriate T-shirt (10/6/09)

Spring Branch ISD has learned about a t-shirt with an inappropriate graphic image that surfaced in connection with the recent Memorial-Stratford High School football game. This t-shirt was not approved, condoned or sanctioned by SBISD or Memorial High. Several t-shirts were confiscated at the game, and several students have been questioned so far about them. This type of behavior is not acceptable. SBISD and Memorial High officials continue to investigate the situation. Any individuals found to be responsible will be dealt with appropriately.

Thank goodness it was not officially approved by the school.

[Captain Hilts]

27. "Inappropriate?" Vulgar is more like it. nt

[mitchum]

12. Why are the two mustangs...holding hands?

Seems there is some denial going on in the stable

[Demoiselle]

16. Excellent observation, mitchum...

(I was so furious about this thing I didn't notice until you pointed it out.)

[mitchum]

Someone needs to point it out to the arrogant little shits who created the thing...

it will probably make their pinheads explode.

[TexasObserver]

19. I think that's meant to be high fiving or such.

Mustangs and Spartans have a big rivalry.

Apparently the T shirt is part of the underground stuff the cheerleaders do when they get UP for the game with the Spartans.

[redqueen]

25. Cheerleaders?

The cheerleaders made these shirts?

Female cheerleaders?

[TexasObserver]

35. IF I read the story right ....

Apparently, the T shirt is intended by the Memorial cheerleaders to be a put down of the Spartan cheerleaders. Maybe there is a back story, or maybe it's just a rivalry.

I can tell you that there is a real social and economic rift between those two schools, who share a common boundary line dividing their areas and are in the same school district.

Memorial is very affluent. Stratford is middle to upper middle class.

[redqueen]

37. Maybe I'm just being my prude, easily-offended self...

but I find these t-shirts more than slightly disturbing... and the fact that girls have anything to do with making them, even more disturbing. Won't even bother saying any more on the subject.

[TexasObserver]

39. I think knowing how teens today really behave would shock us.

The sexting, for one thing. Girls in their teens taking their own photos, nude or scantily clad, and sending them to boys, for example. Kids having sex parties. My three all graduated high school in the 1990s, and they tell me that today's high schoolers are far more sexually advanced than their group was. I suspect it's the internet, cable tv, and cell phones that revolutionized contact and information flow among teens. They can no longer be physically corralled, because the internet and their cell phones can take them anywhere.

[redqueen]

74. IMO there's a huge difference between sending pics to someone

cause you like them or whatever... and using the idea of sex as a tool of humiliation.

Maybe it's just me.

[seabeyond]

76. girls may think they are sending to "someone they like" but reality is, as much as not, it is a

trophy for the guy to then share with friends and classmates, humiliating the girl without thought, consideration or responsibility for their actions.

[redqueen]

87. Yes, I know...

all part of the risk of allowing yourself to enjoy your sexuality... exposing yourself (literally) to assholes.

[seabeyond]

91. my son was telling me not so long ago about the girls worth knowing, how wary

they are of the males and their vulgarity.

found it interesting this is now the step our young are having to walk.

[raccoon]

106. Madison Avenue owns a big share of the blame too.

"I suspect it's the internet, cable tv, and cell phones..."

[seabeyond]

107. yes they do. i agree. nt

[Joanie Baloney]

20. They aren't holding hands...

I think they are high-five-ing (or high-hoofing, I guess.) More offensive posturing.

Blecch!

[NoPasaran]

58. It's a terrorist hoof bump!

[Quantess]

23. I think they are supposed to be high-five-ing

Better yet, if the horses were drinking from a beer bong or a beer helmet. The design needs work.

[elehhhhna]

31. duh. they're not even taking pics w/ their cellphones. epic reality fail

[lapfog_1]

26. High five'ing each other while "doin" the cheerleader.

and there are other implications as to the actual sex acts being performed as well.

[Nailzberg]

34. It's definetly a high-five.

"Tower" is Eiffel Tower. Which I would probably have to define if it wasn't for the not-so-subtle shirt.

[AngryAmish]

110. don't do it at work but look up "spit-roast"

[MellowDem]

122. It's called an "eiffel tower"

It's one of those sex positions often used as a joke in bawdy high school (and usually college) humor.

[Whisp]

15. knuckle dragging neandrathals would find that amusing.

i wish people wouldn't post worthless shit like this here just to promote it, because thats all its really doing.
but then thats me.

[Le Taz Hot]

64. Or post it in the lounge.

Thank goddess for the "hide" feature.

[Obamanaut]

17. I think when you said "sick & misogynistic" you were too kind. I

believe this is carrying freedom of expression way too far. It's gross.

[orleans]

18. everybody (parents) should be outraged. girls should be outraged

and every asshole involved in producing this sick crap needs to be FIRED and not allowed to work with kids again!

[redqueen]

21. That is so far beyond fucked up.

What the hell... I live in TX and in a big football town but there's no way on God's green earth we'd *ever* see anything like this where I live. Ever.

What... the... FUCK?!

[TorchTheWitch]

60. it gets worse...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219866040

[Blue_Tires]

70. they have an unhealthy obsession with horse sex...

[seabeyond]

71. wink, lol. what congressman said, in the south on the farm, .... we have all???? nt

[TorchTheWitch]

88. they have an unhealthy obsession with thinking of women as cum buckets

with a life support system.

[Blue_Tires]

89. that too

[Hosnon]

82. WTF? This is insane...nt

[Captain Hilts]

22. Sexism is okay with most folks. nt

[seabeyond]

79. yes... it seems to be. lighten up. a joke. ha ha. quit being a prude and so very sensitive

geeeesh

do i need....

:sarcasm:

[Ineeda]

24. Oh. My. Gawd. "Family values" school system, I'll bet. n/t

[seabeyond]

80. like sheeeit isnt going on in highschools across the nation. Ho this, Ho that. nt

[City Lights]

28. Disgusting.

Some tradition...:puke:

[smoogatz]

29. Yet they felt they couldn't write out the word "fucking."

Weird.

[lapfog_1]

32. Very likely that the T-shirt printing company has a policy

that prohibits some list of words.

And there isn't any actual private body parts visible.

So this one meets some sort of "strict interpretation of the rules" standard.

But...

I think if I owned the T-shirt printing company, I would have said "no boys, not in a million years".

[smoogatz]

38. Bet it's an ink-jet printed iron-on.

You can do them in photoshop, no prob--and no t-shirt printer necessary.

[lapfog_1]

40. In that case, why the self censorship

Why not just say what they intended to say...

"Fucking Spartans Up The Ass Since 1962"

(There isn't any reason to include the word "up" in their version other than to imply the anal sex part, at least none that I can see).

[JVS]

Maybe it's a dress code issue.

The dress code might mention spelled out obscenities, but be limited by the fact that the writers never imagined non-explicit bestiality pictures to be an issue.

[Forkboy]

43. Laser print, for sure.

A 6 color screen print would be ridiculously expensive unless you were rattling off about a 1,000 of them. As you say, this is a photoshop design, though a screen printer may still have done the pressing. I quit my job screenprinting when we took on a job shortly after 9/11 that was for shirts with a mushroom cloud and the words "Nuke Afghanistan" on it, and I quit because my boss had no problem doing them. I'm sure there are a ton of screenprinters out there that would have no problems with doing this shirt for money. Sadly. x(

[Liquorice]

30. It's very sad that girls have to grow up in such a world. nt

[elehhhhna]

33. that was my first thought!

I have 2 tweenaged daughters and we don't live far from this school.

And WELCOME to DU!

[seabeyond]

59. my son told me the other day, the girls worth knowing are so wary of the vulgarity of males today

he says they are hard to talk to cause they are sure all guys are going to just go to vulgar

as a poster said

sad world for girls

[redqueen]

36. Anyone know the rest of the "joke" that ends:

"she was raped to death"?

I never heard that one in high school.

*sigh*

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Well now we know

the gay, EEEEWWWWW... evolution, EEEEEEWWWWWW

Bestiality....

Okie Dokie...

Are the children learning?

Don't think so.

[intheflow]

42. Abstinence only education.

Obviously it's working to keep our youth pure! :sarcasm:

[lumberjack_jeff]

44. That is about as messed up as is possible. n/t

[Quantess]

45. This just reinforces my disdain for football, that I have had all my life.

Sorry if that offends football fans. My boyfriends have all been reasonable about their interest in sports... if they were too zealous, they would never have made it to long term relationship status.

I'm athletic, myself. Though, I'm not great at team sports. I just have always hated the stupid sports mentality. My father was an immigrant who had a mild bout of polio as a child, and he was the first in the family to officially dislike sports, yet love athleticism, because rigorous exercise is what allowed him to overcome polio. He hated sports because he couldn't do them well, and got ridiculed.

[BoneDaddy]

68. Wow, paint with a broad brush much?

because we all know football causes high school mascots to behave badly.

[seabeyond]

84. a funny conversation with son yesterday, picking him up after school cause of cross country

practice. i told him, drove past one park with highschool team and dads sitting against cars watching sons PRACTICE.

went by his highschool football field and woman parked watching son and a coulpe parents bring in lawn chairs

i asked him, wasnt that odd. not even a game, but practice. what is this. i have a tough enough time getting to sons meets, but i am surely not gonna watch practice. do these people not have a life. are kids extentions of them. dont get it at all

he was telling me the whole footie footie football mentality here in the area

i say, not even like they are gonna do anything with it a year or two from now. just a game. a sport

he told me the football team a whole other world, and only with football team.

i was competitive, olympic competitive swimming. i didnt want parents in meets, let alone practice. was about me. my sport. my doing. nto parents

[MorningGlow]

136. Same in my village

The teams practice at the park at the bottom of my street, starting in late summer. (It breaks my heart to see the Pee Wee players, wider than they are tall with all their gear on, practicing in 90-degree heat and 80% humidity.) And even for the Pee Wee league, the parents bring their folding chairs, drinks, and snacks, and sit on the edge of the field, and "unrelated" folks, like retirees and others, set up their chairs on the outside of the fence. (The retirees "follow" the boys' football careers from Pee Wee through high school.) You can't even get down the street during those evenings.

Oh--and we have teeny weeny cheerleaders as well--for the complete miniature set.

I don't care if people like sports, but the interest in our village's football teams is kind of out of whack. And not a little creepy at times. :scared:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. meh

[Quantess]

48. You're just hoping that

Omega Minimo will chime in.

Admit it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. It's like a force of nature.

My menstrual cycle is irrevocably tied to the motions of Omega Minimo.

[flvegan]

47. Stay classy, Mustangs.

[Hippo_Tron]

50. We had some t-shirts with sexual innuendo on them in HS but nothing like this

Kids will be kids and try to push the limits but this crosses the line from juvenile to dis-tasteful and not funny.

[lapfog_1]

54. Just had a disturbing thought...

Imagine 25 years from now, when the high schoolers involved with this now have kids of their own in high school.

And their kids produce a disturbing T-shirt for the "big game".

What the hell would have to be on THAT T-shirt for their parents to have the same reaction you just had... i.e. "We had some t-shirts with sexual innuendo on them but nothing like THIS"???

I can't even imagine.

An LED display woven into the fabric playing a fake virtual video with real Spartan cheerleaders shown being gang raped by the "Mustangs". Something involving scat or peeing? What? I mean where do you go from here?

[Hippo_Tron]

77. Well if it makes you feel any better, I was in high school only about 4 years ago

So these kids are still part of the same generation as I am (unfortunately).

[agentS]

51. Yeah, there's a flag on this play. Sorry Mustang fans

Unsportsmanlike T-shirt on the play. 15 dignity yard penalty and loss of moral possession. First down, Stratford.

[defendandprotect]

52. "Sports build character" . . . !!!

[Prophet 451]

53. That's, um, wow

That's pretty indefensible.

What's more, I can easily see much less offensive ways of creating a shirt. How about a cartoon of a tuxedo-clad mustang at a fancy dinner with a cheerleader? Or a scene from earlier the same date with the two at the movies and the mustang trying to sneak his arm around the cheerleader?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

55. My daughter graduated from Memorial.

It's an excellent school academically, one of the best in the country.
But it's full of rich assholes. She said lots of the people like George Bush, because they know him personally as a nice guy.

She told me what Roger Clemens' kid got for his sixteenth birthday: Two Hummers, one for each foot. His momma also gave the school enough money that they would let him get a parking permit, as tenth graders are not permitted to drive to school.

But if your daddy is Roger Clemens, rules don't matter.

:wtf:

[ccharles000]

56. eww

[Roon]

57. I remember being in Jr,High and the school paper was released

right before winter break. In this paper was a section where people submitted what they wanted for christmas. There were quite a few kids who said they wanted a "bong" or "Pot" etc. Like all throughout the column. Why the teachers let that go, I have no idea.

[and-justice-for-all]

61. That is ok, but Evolution is not?!! The stupid burns...nt

[seabeyond]

65. they adopt evolution. evolutionary psychology. this is all that a male is. biology

right here, in graphic form.

[HughBeaumont]

62. Wow, that's like massively inappropriate.

Awesome parenting and childing going on there. Shit.

[Brickbat]

63. Sad and pathetic.

[TorchTheWitch]

66. Another one...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219866040

Gross.

[DefenseLawyer]

67. Is that even a "cheerleader"?

It appears to be a "Spartan" to me, with the helmet and everything. Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?

[8 track mind]

111. Joey, have you ever seen a guy naked? n/t

[DefenseLawyer]

132. Joey, did ya ever hang around the gymnasium? n/t

[8 track mind]

134. that movie is nothing but one liners! n/t

[marshall]

69. In most small towns that's what the cheerleaders and drill team are for

I remember very well a routine that the drill team did at the school where I taught. It ended with the girls spinning around on the floor on their rears, and stopping to all face the football team, then they threw their legs up and spread them all at the same time.

[seabeyond]

73. most girls in small towns on cheerleading and drill whores for the guys? is this

truly what you are suggesting.

might be in ones mind think and not necessarily a reality. just a thought

[marshall]

78. That's just my observation and opinion

Based on having grown up and lived in several small towns where football was king and the girls found various ways to "support" team spirit.

[Odin2005]

72. That is wrong on so many levels...

[Iggo]

75. Sick, misogynistic...and ultimately childish.

They should be punished like the children they are.

[Hosnon]

81. Wow...I did not expect that...

I can't wait to see what the "innocent" explanation is for this...

[seabeyond]

85. boys will be boys????? nt

[Hosnon]

105. Looks like "Just a joke" has taken the lead.

:thumbsdown:

[seabeyond]

108. like the black painted faces with white lips is so very funny. why sensitive. buck up.

like that?

[Hosnon]

109. Yes. We all need to realize that anything and everything is acceptable

as long as it said in jest.

:sarcasm:

[ceile]

83. I graduated from Stratford.

Memorial was our big rival, but neither of us EVER had anything like this. I predict lots of tire slashing, broken windows and all out mayhem when they play each other this year.

[GoneOffShore]

86. Let's see why and in this order

Sports team
Football
High school
Adolescent's
Lastly - Texas

Though Texas is the smallest part of the equation - I've heard about crap like this elsewhere, wherever football players gather.

[kleec]

90. Disgusting

This isn't about 'sports', this is about torturer's in training which seems to be the thought process of the sports world in general. Women are to be used and abused, sorry if this offends anyone, but this is how I view this disgusting display.

[Solly Mack]

92. Damn

disgusting

[seabeyond]

93. the hypocrisy, i cant help but feel such a weight of hypocrisy. this is the rootin and cheerin

that many of us watch here on du on a regular basis from duers. yet now, here, with a picture, we are offended, bothered, disgusted. and so little difference from what we hear from a group of males on du.

why are we pretending it is only the football players on a texas football team. or that it is more offensive than what women on a regular basis today, experience. the free for all, crude and vulgar from the male and "this thread is worthless without a picture" adolscent meme hits across the board in our society.

sports? it isnt about sports.

football? nah

texas? nope

family family gone awry? nope

this is the world of "just being a male", biological. who we are.

[redqueen]

95. I see your point and I agree.

This is so obvious that it all but demands the visceral reaction it's getting.

But recently, the announcement about where the Olympics were going to be held served as an excuse for a bout of some overtly offensive sexist crap, as well as some gratuitous pictures. One poster here absolutely lost his shit because I dared call out the objectification for what it was. Another poster didn't even seem to understand what the word 'objectification' even means.

[seabeyond]

100. the more i think about it, and more i listen to posters on this thread

the more bothered i am with the obvious ignored. because it meets our agenda.

[redqueen]

101. Not sure what you mean by obvious ignored...

but I was pretty surprised that so many don't seem to understand what objectification is. This was also made clear in a Lounge thread re: Cougars/MILFs. But after seeing the thread about the Olympics in GD, I was relieved to see that at least a few people in the Lounge got it.

[seabeyond]

102. the very example on du about the way men preceive women, and how the men defend. comments of prude

you dare to speak out? you prude. you dare to be bothered? you must not like sex. but here we have a graphic picture of exactly the crude, the lude, the vulgar and people are..... gasp, outraged. disgusted.

yet it is beyond mere objectification. it is dehumanize and degrade.

are every one of these people thru out the thread "prudes". a puritan nation that ignores the very basis, our sexuality.

what made this so offensive to many

yet so often, we ignore and defend as our guys do it verbally. i am just not seeing a lot of room for squiggling here, on the difference between this, and the way some men talk about women on du.

[redqueen]

103. Oh yeah... but women do that, too.

I think it's funny how they throw 'prude' around, cause it just makes their ignorance stand out all the more.

[ensho]

94. disgusting

nt

[derby378]

96. Everyone who wears that shirt should hang their heads in shame

I honestly don't know what else to say, except that these shirts should be burned.

[Echo In Light]

97. The undeniable, hierarchical "values" of Jock Culture, which emulates Corporate Culture

[JerseygirlCT]

98. Yup. Very sick and misogynistic nt

[Swamp Rat]

99. GROSS!!!!

:puke:

[subcomhd]

104. At first I thought that was Tinkerbell between the horses, which seemed like an odd mascot.

The fighting Pixies!

[fortyfeetunder]

112. If I were an employer

And I found through MySpace or Facebook a prospective employee wearing that T-shirt, then it's unlikely I'd hire that person. Because that would tell me what type of person this is. This T-shirt is pornographic and juvenile. If they condone this behavior in an academic setting, then I could expect similar behavior in the workplace, regardless of their professional qualifications.

[subcomhd]

113. I can't believe DUrs are defending this shit.

I don't know of any who are, but it needed to be said.

[seabeyond]

115. why? more this thread stays up, more i am curious with the contradictions i see here on du

why... is it so offensive? some of our men, even some women regularly speak about women in this manner and we defend as just who the man is. cant help it. his biology. that it isnt degrading to female. it is an appreciation of female. and people that speak against are merely prudes, dont like sex, jealous, fundies.

why is this indefensable yet the guy on du projecting this very attitude are "cool" "manly".

men regularly talk about females being put on this earth to service them. that is all she is doing. that servicing a man is no bigger a deal than working at mcdonalds or being a lawyer.

we talk about how our youth is just exploring their sexuality. they are sexual animals. mere animals. no more than animals.

i am not seeing this picture any more offensive than so many things that are said on du about females, but it has gotten quite a response from the offended.

[subcomhd]

117. seriously? I can't think of anything

any DUr has posted as offensive as two horses screwing what looks like Tinkerbell but supposed to be a cheerleader. And nobody here has defended the girls/boys who made the thing in question.

[seabeyond]

118. so it is taking the picture literally that makes it offensive? bestiality? merely female servicing

to males, is the story told in the picture.

but it is the visual of animals in the picture that is bothersome?

[subcomhd]

120. It's f'd up on a lot of levels. It's degrading to women (and pixies)

and yes the horses are a little unnerving. Fact is, teenagers are stupid. It is why the teaching cert. I'm working on is for elementary school. I'm also working on my MA and want to teach on the college level. But there is something about people from 7th through 12th grades that is just unbearable. This image is a good example.

[seabeyond]

123. the point being is yes, it is juvenile and males on du "i can hit that" do it often here

rape simulating games of young girls emotionally distraught is just fun play, fantasy. this thread is worthless without pictures as our female soldiers are being filmed in shower and then distributed amongst the male soldiers.

it is on du often. and if a woman says anything, we get comments about being prude. how dare we speak out about the service of men. or not see the simple rivalry aspect.

beyond that note

ooooooh, lol, cant wait until you get in the schools. and how great it is, you becoming a teacher. i love it. and no.... not all people from 7th to 12th is fucked up. seems like the kids with a family life make it through much better than those disconnected from family.

[subcomhd]

127. I did teach 6th grade one year (abroad)

The change in those kids that year was amazing. Oh, a lot of it was good. But it seems as if over Christmas they turned into assholes (mainly toward each other) they formed little cliques and started picking on the "uncool" ones. They never really gave me any discipline problems - but just SO mean to each other (when I wasn't looking.) I made it a point to be the bullies' worst fear.

I think 5th grade is what I'd like to teach - fully (almost) developed brain capacity and no raging hormones yet (for most.) But boy the first time an 11-12 year old girl puts her hand on her hip and rolls her eyes back in her head when you ask her to take her seat, it comes as a shock.

I exaggerate (somewhat) I really loved those kids and still keep up with a few through their parents.

Oh, and another thing - God bless socialized tuition grants for middle-aged college grads who want to change careers and go into teaching.

[seabeyond]

129. you are so right on and certainly not exaggerating at ALL. lol lol

you hit it right on. it is that 6th grade year. i had a son that went thru it and we parents were just amazed watching it. 7th is bad. all bad. 8th they seem to come thru it. or most of them. that is what i found with my oldest. freshman now. my youngest is a 6th grader this year so i really thank you for that reminder. oh, i had forgotten. was talking to him about how 7th is the very worst, seems to be the peaking point. but gets better. but forgot about 6th

and the girl rollin eyes..... my niece. she did it to me. caught out of corner of eye and whipped around on her. and laid in. yelled. dont you EVER.... EVER... lol

hubby kept boys in front of house. youngest needed to pee and hubby told him not safe to go to back of house, just yet

oh i remember

funny

you made me laugh

now i am off to a good book, under covers, on a nippy (cold) and overcast day.

funny

5th is the best

[MellowDem]

114. If you think this is a "Texas" thing...

you've never been to a college campus. The only real surprise is that it was created in high school, but that's about it. Most of the time, the humor is very "tongue in cheek" but some people take it waaaay too seriously.

[seabeyond]

116. hmmmm, like the woman that feel it is dehumanizing, degrading, there to service male

silly women. they should just fuckin buck up and know their place and worth. wink

[MellowDem]

119. Often, such humor plays on taboo subjects...

such as three-way sex in this case. Indeed, a big part of it is how politically incorrect it is. It's just a part of rivalries. There are always nasty and very cruel jokes about the other school, but it is often deemed to be okay in the social setting of a "rivalry". A lot of the dynamics of a rivalry is to blow things out of proportion, and this is just one way of continuing the tradition of a rivalry. Like I said, the humor is usually very tongue in cheek and isn't taken literally. Part of the art of a rivalry is the over-the-top nature of it.

I just don't understand why you are focusing on just sexism. I don't think the point of the shirt is at all to degrade women in general, it is simply to degrade the women (and men) of the opposing school. The cheerleaders are presented as willing participants in this case who would rather eiffel tower with their macho rivals than with their own (less macho) players is one implication. Of course, it doesn't exactly present the stallions (or whatever they are) in a positive light either... but the whole point of the shirt is to be outragous and not to be taken literally or too seriously.

[seabeyond]

121. and we would understand and laugh if it was a mostly white school against mostly black and had

watermelon, black face/white lips holding a piece of chicken.... hmmmmmm, how else could we use parody to put blacks in their subservient role?

blacks should just buck up, have a chuckle

cause it isnt like in real life our males dehumanize or degrade female, or think of blacks as subservient.

i guess the question for you is why as a male, you think your position on demeaning women is more relevent than how a female may feel.

[MellowDem]

125. Well, I'm sure there is a fine line...

but sex usually is considered one of those lines that's easy not to cross in high school, much more so than race. You have to remember, these are high school students, and bawdy sex jokes you may find immature are new and fresh to these kids, so they're going to have a laugh. You keep pretending this shirt is meant to dehumanize all women, when the very obvious and specefic intention of the shirt is to dehumanize an opposing school, both the men and women, while at the same time empowering the males at the home school as "macho" and the women as "classy".

I'm sure that these students wouldn't wear this shirt in front of their parents (unless their parents have a unique sense of humor), but it is no doubt a part of the "underground" rivalry.

[seabeyond]

126. i understand the story of why. but to suggest this stays at this age is not very peceptive either

and a young male is quite able to see and understand the dehumanization of female. the point is, many do not care cause in todays world and culture it is expected of the male. they damn well know exactly what they are doing. do they think it is cute? sure. that is the whole point. that they actually think it is cute, females being service to their dick.

[MellowDem]

130. Well...

I doubt they think it is "cute" or even are remotely serious about it. In all honesty, the eiffel tower would be seen as "gay" by many uber-macho high school males, so the fact that some of them are able to not take it seriously and perhaps even poke fun at themselves and the whole rivalry is an indication that it is not all about the dehumanization of all females everywhere.

By and large, the young male of today is by far the most "progressive" when it comes to issues of respecting women and perceptions of women. There is still a ways to go in some cases, but the youth of today are on average more aware than ever of gender roles. Of course, that sometimes seems balanced with the fact that young males are probably, on average, the horniest members of society, and their obsession with sexual jokes and humor could come across as sexist I suppose as well.

[seabeyond]

139. a really pretty and reasoned way of saying..... boys will be boys. dna. biology.

dont buy it.

doesnt have to be

causes a lot of problems with our youth

teaching our youth to see females as things, both genders, behooves neither gender. and too many of them are not growing out of it. too many of them dont respect the other gender. and too many of them dont know how to connect with another.

[subcomhd]

128. Assassinate Lincoln!

anybody guess the movie?

[DefenseLawyer]

133. I can fix it!

My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools.

[subcomhd]

142. +

[TorchTheWitch]

137. bullshit

Plenty of schools have rivalries without using explicit misogynist "female as cum bucket" offensive shit like this. I went to a HS that has the oldest high school football rivalry in the nation, and sure there were cartoons made that were meant to be outrageous, but not a one of them used imagery that had anything to do with sex or had a history of imagery that depicts violence against women. What the hell makes you think in the image from the OP that the woman is willing and enjoying it when you can't see her face and the horse she's blowing has a foot on her head??? This is NOT the only image they've used, they have a history of this same "female as cum bucket" disgusting shit, like this one...



http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219866040

The theme they focus on ALWAYS involve sex with women that the women are either clearly NOT enjoying or you can't tell by the image... and in a cartoon that represents a rivalry where the one team is obviously trying to depict the opposing team as losers who are intended to be beaten in the game how the hell could they possibly show the opposing team's cheerleader as enjoying it??? The POINT of imagery concerning a game where there is a winner and a loser is to show the opposing team being "beaten", "stomped", "crushed" and in this school's misogynist imagery "fucked".

[seabeyond]

138. you are such a prude. it is the puritan nation, fundie attitude from people like you

that is taking our nation to hell in a hand basket

smilin

[TorchTheWitch]

140. Jeez, don't encourage them

they actually believe that "oh, it's just harmless fun" shit.

[seabeyond]

141. yes, they do believe it is just harmless fun. cant go with it, if switch to dehumanizing blacks or

gays though. even my children can put the dots together on something so obvious. and these are grown ups.... adults.

[TorchTheWitch]

143. it doesn't even need to be compared to anything else

It can't be any more obvious... our team is going to beat (fuck) your team in the game showing a picture of our team mascot fucking a cheerleader from your team can't possibly intend to show that cheerleader as enjoying it or the intent of our team is going to beat (fuck) your team doesn't make any sense. OF COURSE SHE ISN'T ENJOYING IT!!! And it doesn't even require that being obvious in the picture because the intent of our team is going to beat (fuck) your team is a given.

[proteus_lives]

124. That's very gross.

:puke:

It's too much and it's unhealthy for kids to be wearing sometime like this.

[timtom]

131. Bad!

Very, very bad!

In so many ways.

[Zix]

135. That's just revolting.