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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:40 AM
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Dem's asking Patterson not to run isn't a message of confidence or
Edited on Sun Sep-20-09 11:43 AM by orpupilofnature57
a commitment to good Government .David patterson is a brilliant ,Honest man ,he has one flaw ,after a life of being appointed because of expertise and devotion ,he doesn't know how to sell himself ,I mean he isn't a good politician.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:49 AM
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1. he's a victim of circumstance. He is in an awful position that anyone who was governor of NY would
be in right now. The problem is that patterson is so unpopular right now that him against anyone is not going to do well. And i fear we will ahve mr. 9-11 who smells blood running or something... and i don't want governor mr. 9-11 either!! uggh.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:13 PM
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12. I agree
it's easy to be a governor during an economic boom, it's very hard to be a governor during a economic bust.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:03 PM
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2. Although he does a remarkable job trying to over come it, being blind doesn't help
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appamado amata padam Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:05 PM
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3. Politics
is a cut throat game that all politicians, whether good or bad, have to play. :-(
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:07 PM
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4. Sad , but true.
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rusty fender Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:29 PM
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5. So, Paterson loses in the primary
What's the big deal?
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appamado amata padam Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:43 PM
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6. I am a "newbie"
to political discussions, but I think it's seen as a lose-lose situation for BO.

He looks bad for supporting a "loser" candidate, or,

he looks bad for not supporting a fellow ground-breaking AA gov't official.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:52 PM
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8. Welcome!! He's got to start acting like the winner and not worry about
ingratiating himself with people who have no interest in successful Government.
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appamado amata padam Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:01 PM
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10. Thank you!
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:28 PM
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15. If he runs in, and loses, a primary...
...the winner will have only 2 months to refill his campaign coffers, and bridge the inevitable divide between Patersno's supporters and the winner's.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:41 PM
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19. I agree. We didn't elect him as Governor in the first place. Welcome to DU!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:45 PM
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7. It may be that he is less capable of selling himself than other politicians,
but he is nevertheless a politician.

In New York, that can be a rough neighborhood.

His approval ratings, which are extraordinarily low, suggest that his quest to retain his current job would be the steepest of climbs.

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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:56 PM
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9. Because he wants to spread equally the pain he cant find an alli .
As I say it's more a statement about the citizens of my great state.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:04 PM
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11. Paterson is incredibly smart, and yet has not been able to create the
Edited on Sun Sep-20-09 01:05 PM by saltpoint
momentum of himself as a public servant.

I agree with the insight that he has not sold himself in the traditional ways politicians sell themselves, or define themselves. I don't know why. The time for it has passed, in any case. If Cuomo wants the nomination, IMO it's his.

Paterson's time in New York politics is over with, whether he accepts a position in the Obama administraiton or whether he runs in the Democratic primary and is defeated.

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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:18 PM
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13. A job in the administration would be best for him ,your right.
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firehorse Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:21 PM
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14. I live in NYC and wanted to like him,
Edited on Sun Sep-20-09 01:27 PM by firehorse
But he just doesn't have what it takes to be a good leader.

I watched him on NY1 the day he replaced Spitzer. He started the ball rolling by announcing to the world his affairs and private marital problems. The devastated look on his wife's face was hard to watch as he unraveled their personal life to strangers. And then he wanted the gun loving woman from upstate to be in the senate so he leaked stuff to the press about Kennedy. I didn't want Kennedy in there either but he didn't handle any of that well. Bad choices.

And then remember the fiasco this summer with those two thugs in Albany and how Patterson let the drama drag out for over a month? The thugs managed to tie up legislation and hold the whole system up. Patterson in response made threats that ended up being violations against the law. It was a mess, the thugs were to blame but so was Patterson's lack of leadership.

And for some reason he wants to spend big money on projects like a high speed rail from Albany to NYC so that politicians can travel easier, yet he can't do anything about the rate increases for millions of New Yorkers who rely on the MTA subways and other mass transportation as their only means of getting around.

I want to like the guy, but over time he's proven that he's not qualified for the job. Democrats need someone else leading them. And yes, it probably will be Cuomo, he's been spending over a decade grooming himself for the role, including when he worked for HUD.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:37 PM
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16. I live upstate
I don't care so much about him appointing Gillibrand, she's proving to be a good Senator. Admittedly, he could have handled the Carolyn thing better but honestly, that isn't the hugest deal.

The fact is, he has exhibited a lack of leadership. granted, he has had to make unpopular decisions in light of NY's fiscal problems, however many states are in our same position and dealing with budgetary issues less gracefully and more painfully (see California).

This summer's legislature's fiasco... well, it would have been much better if the crook that caused it didn't walk off with the leadership position. Previous governors would have known how to use the media to their advantage.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 04:07 PM
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20. i'd like to know how that isn't friggin bribery!! i mean, the republicans seem to have promised the
two dems positions, and then the dems promised them positions.... wtf!! it sure didn't help patterson any.... I think if the circumstances were different patterson would have been a great governor.... but as it is, NY is in a really bad spot... and unfortunately for patterson, he gets the blame for it.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:40 PM
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18. I've wanted to like him to and the final straw was the whole replacement of
Hillary fiasco. He made Caroline Kennedy look like a fool and selected Gillibrand, who's old boss so happened to donate $10,000 to Paterson's campaign chest at about the same time. His tie in there with D'Amato gave me the skeeves.

I want the WH to butt out as we are a clever enough populace to vote against Paterson in the primaries.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:37 PM
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17. I think Paterson is brilliant and I don't feel he's honest & he's my Gov but I want him out. But I
feel as if the Obama administration is trampling toes where they don't belong.

It isn't as if Paterson won the job as Governor in the first place.The people of my state will be smart enough to vote to defeat him in a Primary run.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:43 PM
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21. The people in My state should appreciate him ,but if they don't Gov. Ruddy
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 07:44 PM by orpupilofnature57
we'll make them believers.
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