Lawrence O'Donnell/Katy Abram interview coming up on replay soon if you missed it!

[Hello_Kitty]

You don't want to miss it, trust me!

[polichick]

1. This is worth popcorn with extra butter! nt

[GoldenOldie]

2. 35-yrs old and dumb as a box of rocks!

I can't believe she purtied herself up just to appear on TV and show the world how ignorant she is.

[TahitiNut]

3. People who vote for the likes of Palin, Bachmann, and Schmidt have to come from somewhere.

She's one of them. Oh... correction. Rocks have more integrity.

[kelly1mm]

41. Apparently on Faux News last night she said she voted for Clinton

and then had an awakening when she got married and had kids. She was dumber than a bag of hammers on Hardball. I almost feft sorry for her but then thought she has brought it upon herself.

[D_Roark]

47. Integrity

Yeah, there's no integrity in being a concerned American citizen desiring answers from his or her government. There is no integrity in taking time out of your day to seek out such answers. There is no integrity in standing up to your elected officials. There is no integrity in seeking accountability. There is no integrity in subjecting yourself to insults, ridicule, threats, and anonymous vitriol on the internet.

There IS integrity however, in attempting to stifle any dissent or questioning. There IS integrity in cheering on the concentrated effort to discredit regular citizens on national television. There IS integrity to be found at [email protected]. There IS integrity in smearing those that disagree with you as being nazis, members of a mob, un-American to get them to shut up. There IS integrity in claiming that a townhall meeting was not stacked with "plants" just before taking a question from one of those very plants. There IS integrity in being on record as saying that you are in favor of a single-payer system, and then denying that you ever said such a thing.

And 2 + 2 = 5

[TahitiNut]

49. You really don't even seem to have a clue. Sad. Peddling outright lies ....

... is a clear indication that "integrity" is the furthest thing from the (alleged) mind of such folk.

[PA Democrat]

50. Oh look! Another uninformed tool for the insurance industry.

Keep getting your "information" from Glenn Beck. Of course HE and the rest rest of your tea bagging buddies **NEVER** make Nazi comparisons, do they?

[progressoid]

51. Enjoy you brief stay. Time to go back to your Ayn Rand "novels".

[kentuck]

52. Dumbness, Inc...

has nothing to do with integrity. She wants to keep her $5000 deductible so let her. But don't stand up and preach to the rest of us that we should be like her and that we should respect her "freedom" to be screwed by the insurance companies. Give me a fucking break!

[PA Democrat]

53. Oh yes, those Nazi comparisons are QUITE unflattering:

OOPS! It you and YOUR buddies making those comparisons.

[madmom]

55. If that is what she/they are doing then I say bravo to them. BUT, when they stand

there and scream and disrupt so no one can talk or hear anything being said THAT my friend is NOT integrity! When you are caught in a flat out lie THAT is not integrity. So maybe you should go back and re-watch the videos.

[JHB]

56. You think you're being ironic and sarcastic, but you've just described Dissent Under Bush...

...although your protest don't seem to be herded into "first amendment zones" (you want to talk about Orwellian?), and you only have to deal with events "stacked with 'plants'" instead of being shut out while a 100% pre-approved audience is bused in (does it still qualify as "stacked" if they're ALL plants?).

Not to mention how "the liberal media" wouldn't give us anywhere near the favorable (or at least neutral) airtime the TeaTimers and Beck'n'Callers are getting. Take your negative coverage and multiply it by 10, for an idea of how "the liberal media" treated liberal dissenters. And then there's crap like putting Quakers on terrorist watch lists for being against the Iraq war.

That might shed some light on why a lot of people here don't have much respect for the "righteous indignation" of the current crop of town hall dissenters.


If you're concerned about sifiling dissent, how about you go after the people spreading the steaming mounds of bullshit about what's being proposed, not to mention the lies about systems used by other countries (whose experiences might be useful in informing our debate).

And read up on how the brownshirts acted, and figure out which side is edging dangerously close to that sort of behavior.

[PA Democrat]

58. Hey Sparky, why don't you watch this video and tell me which side is making the Nazi comparisons?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x353246

[rocktivity]

66. Most important of all, there's integrity in

accusing others of the very things you're guilty of.

P.S. It's easier to avoid being discredited when you go on national TV with facts instead of rumors.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[kevinbgoode]

31. Whatever school she went to should pull her high school diploma

and, most definitely, college degree.

And notice that she didn't want to mention her income? Or was it that she really didn't know. . .she just goes shopping at the mall and goes to church and gosh...has anything been going on out in the world? I didn't notice - I've been, ya know...busy."

[JustAnotherGen]

36. Someone made a point on another thread

She's gotta be a liar. She has to sign the tax forms each year.

[TahitiNut]

62. Yeah ... I said her hubby must be forging her signature on the tax returns.

On the other hand, as a living brain-donor, she might have given him a power of attorney. She obviously needs that kind of 'help.'

[skorpo]

4. Listen for the part when she talks about discussing this at home.

I think she said something about someone who had been on a "Mission" being in the discussion.
:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
??????????
I thinks she's been brainwashed.

[Me.]

7. With What Brain?

She did herself, nor the Cons, no favors with her appearance

[Stephanie]

24. She's saying people in need should rely on charity

Look how well that's been working out.

[Hello_Kitty]

29. Of course. With charity, Godly people like her get to pick and choose who gets help.

When the government runs social services sometimes they go to icky people who aren't the right color and won't allow you to proselytize to them.

[kevinbgoode]

30. Yeah...maybe her "church" can pull funds from their war on the gays

and womb control and put it into feeding the poor?

[mitchum]

33. I picked up on that...and suspect that she is a broodmare in magic underwear

[D_Roark]

42. I thinks she's been brainwashed.

That's pretty rich coming from someone with a union avatar.

[polichick]

5. Here it comes! nt

[Hello_Kitty]

6. She hates Cash for Clunkers?

What does she have against American car manufacturers?

[texasleo]

8. What a dumb c-word!

conservative

[mediaman007]

9. I saw it the first time. I thought Lawrence O'Donnell worked hard not

to take advantage of her. She looked like deer in the headlights.

She was confused about Medicare and Social Security. I got the impression that she's pretty helpless. I would guess that someone put her up to yesterday's rant, or they coached her to not be combative during this interview, so she could be the victim.

[TahitiNut]

23. She processes "the Founders" in that same part of her brain she processes "Jesus."

Her comprehension level is sufficient to get her through the day, as long as its a 'normal' day. It pleases her husband. She's not seen as a threat -- more like a useful tool -- by her boss (if any) and neighbors and pastor. She's happily seen as a means to other people's ends and not an end in herself. Sad. There're millions like her.

[Ilsa]

43. But he couldn't help himself! He still pwned her! nt

[Gabi Hayes]

10. 'we have a small business'

then she says "I'd rather not say," when asked if they make over 250K, followed immediately by the corrective "I don't know."

sounds like she's lying

'we have a small business'

if 'we' have a small business, how come your husband takes care of everything, and you don't have any idea where any of the money goes

sounds like she really does know how much they make (she was FURIOUS about all the taxes they pay when shown on the clip with Specter)

she was lying her ass off

[Hello_Kitty]

19. She probably doesn't have the foggiest idea how taxes work

I talk to so many wingnuts who tell me they pay half their income in taxes, or some other ridiculously high percentage. I always respond that they need to fire their accountants immediately because they are clearly not doing any kind of tax planning for them. Small businesses especially have all kinds of tax breaks and write-offs. If you have a small business, and you are paying income taxes at all, you are either doing well or you have an idiot for an accountant.

[Tripper11]

11. Thanks, watching now....

And frankly, she really is cluseless, selfish and myopic. ME ME ME....everyone else be damned.
Well if her son needs more surgery and more and the insurance company starts denying, then what will she say?

[shoopnyc]

12. Oh Boy...

...this is dumbfounding.

[Dennis Donovan]

13. Lawrence asked a GREAT question about why she gets involved now...

...instead of after 9/11, the Iraq War, etc.:thumbsup:

[Rhiannon12866]

67. And I cringed at her answer...

x(

[shoopnyc]

14. Okay, didn't want to go there, but this is pathetic...

[Twinguard]

15. I can't stop laughing.

:rofl:

[Hello_Kitty]

22. I know! The look on her face is priceless!

She looks like a deer in headlights. A very dumb deer.

[blogslut]

16. She's acting clueless

I don't buy for a second that she "lets her husband deal with all those bills", "just doesn't know a gosh darn thing about politics" or that that she's some wilting little flower.

Miss thang is pulling a fast one.

[janx]

20. She IS clueless.

That's the problem.

[mrs_p]

17. god damn i am sick of stupid people

[D_Roark]

45. Me too.

And sheep.

[abumbyanyothername]

18. She didn't do badly, for an amateur

she was of course, hamstrung by her position.

[kevinbgoode]

28. you mean, for an amateur citizen?

The level of willful ignorance was so deep that she should have been embarrassed to even mention the Constitution - or any concept of America. She HAS no concept of America. By her own admission, she's a tool and loves being a tool. My suspicion is that someone else pushed her buttons and made her go off at that meeting like she had a clue about this country.

This is a patriotic American?

[Gabi Hayes]

37. in the clip with Specter she was READING her fauxtrage. reading it, not

speaking from the heart

reading somebody else's words, most likely

I really wish OD had asked where that list of words came from; if she'd written it herself, what else was on it, would she like to complete reading it for him, so she wouldn't have to rush through it

[D_Roark]

44. Ever occur to you...

...that being one of those pesky average Americans, she was nervous? Not that vexing.

And speaking of someone else's words - think everything streaming from O's mouth was written by himself?

[abumbyanyothername]

39. I said, her position sucked

But to be in front of a national TV audience is not easy.

[madinmaryland]

21. I just caught the tail end of it. He fucking pwned her.

:wow:

Just wow!

[lamp_shade]

25. PRICELESS!!

[Greyskye]

26. Meet the next Joe the Plumber?

That was the most incredible exhibition of cluelessness I think I've ever seen. :wow:

[arthritisR_US]

35. would that make her toilet trudi? ;) n/t

[kevinbgoode]

27. I just watched it and was appalled that a 35 year old could be

so incredibly ignorant. Moreover, I suspect she might be Mormon (mentioned "missions", though that doesn't mean it has to be Mormon). She has no clue about her family finances, admits to being clueless about anything going on in this country, several times indicated that she was most happy when she could imagine some paternalistic dictator running her life, and suddenly NOW has a point-of-view that needs to be expressed?

She isn't even intelligent enough to be embarassed at her appalling irresponsibility as a citizen. This country isn't FREE because the willfully ignorant ignore the world around them and listen blindly to some paternalistic dictator (which comes from either her church and/or her husband). Freedom means that each citizen has a responsibility to pay attention to their government. Her amazing lack of attention, and her quiet acquiescence to Bush, and her willful naievete about the issues facing this nation make HER seem ten times more irresponsible than the government she was attacking.

[PA Democrat]

32. Her flippant remarks about wars really pissed me off.

THAT doesn't warrant Katy Kool-Aid's attention, but her husband feeds her BS about the founding fathers and she's a friggin' constitutional scholar all of a sudden and she is just OUTRAGED that Obama is going to make the US into Russia where they don't have enough toilet paper.

Stupid, stupid stupid.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

54. What does her religion have to do with anything?

Not that I'm totally agreeing with you that the woman is a total tool, but dumb is dumb is dumb, irrespective of one's religion.

[arthritisR_US]

34. he exposed her, ever so gently, for what she is - a total idiot. n/t

[bleever]

38. Video here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/vp/32393616#32393616

For people like me who missed it.

[kelly1mm]

40. Apparently on Faux News last night she said she voted for Clinton

twice (she thinks) and studied journalism in college. Maybe there is a spot on Faux for her?

[kevinbgoode]

61. As someone with an MA in journalism, it seems impossible

that she could have survived the curriculum. She doesn't appear to have the ability to even check information on the most elementary level - that would have failed her butt on the first reporting course. She's not articulate, and has no curiosity about the world around her. . .and she isn't interested in anyone else's narratives but her own. She doesn't possess even the most elementary critical thinking skills beyond a propensity to lie.

[kentuck]

46. How many people here have a $5000 deductible like Katy Abram?

And want to keep it!

[NNN0LHI]

48. I couldn't afford it

Be a drop in the bucket for someone make over $250 grand though.

Don

[johnnie]

60. Actually I have that plan

My deductible is $3,000 though. My company puts in half so it's really only $1500 for me. I hardly ever go to the doctor though so I thought it was better than the other plan they offered.

[kentuck]

64. But do you have children or a pre-existing condition?

where you have to go to the doctor a lot? Most folks that I know, maybe 95%, could not afford that deductible. I'm sure you would not want to force that on anyone else? But if you want to keep it, you have that choice. Where is that taking away their "freedom"??

[johnnie]

65. I agree with you 100%

I am single and never go so I figured I put a bit each paycheck into the fund and when it reaches the full amount then I am set.

[loyalkydem]

57. Can

someone put up a video of it?

[JHB]

59. Already been done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x352891

[Hell Hath No Fury]

63. During one of her other interviews --

she mentioned the bill currently being in "Congress" (instead of House) but still needing to go to the Senate before finalization. :eyes: Reminds me of GW calling his own branch the "Administrative" instead of Executive.

Ahhhh the stoopid....