The brutal bottom line on the "birthers" that nobody wants to say out loud

[scheming daemons]

They won't stop until Obama is murdered.

The "birther" angle is just part of the larger "marxist, anti-american, usurper, tea party, take-our-country-back, 'wolverines!'" angle.

They cannot, will not, accept Barack Obama as their President.

They want him dead. They want to drum up enough Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt until some crazy Scott Roeder-like character comes along and does what they don't have the courage to do themselves.


They are creating the conditions, willfully, for the next Timothy McVeigh to emerge and act.


That is their intent. They're not even hiding it that well anymore. They're just waiting for the November-1963-Dallas moment to present itself to one of the crazies they've cultivated. And they'll have plausible deniability, since it will be a "lone wolf" acting on his own fear and paranoia with no direct traceability to the Limbaughs, Becks, and Liddys of the world.


Scott Roeder was created by Operation Rescue and their rhetoric.

Timothy McVeigh was created by the Arkansas Project and its rhetoric.

Some future assailant is being created right now by the Orly Taitz's of the world. We can laugh about it all we want... and their claims ARE laughable.

But their goal is a coup d'etat. By any means necessary. And it only takes one nut job to get past the Secret Service to make it happen. They're planting the seeds by creating THOUSANDS of nut jobs.

Godspeed, Secret Service.

[slackmaster]

1. Naw, they're just sore losers

K&U

:kick:

[NYC_SKP]

6. No, a very Black African man slept with a very White American woman and made a baby...

And an extraordinary number of people in this fucked up country think that it's their patriotic duty to make sure his is dealt with.

For many, "dealt with" means removed from office.

For others, it means assassinated.

It's a sad, sad, fact.

[The Doctor.]

24. No, they are terrified of their hateful world coming to an end.

They cannot allow this nation to prosper, to be saved, under a black man. That would mortally wound their position that blacks are subhuman and worthless to society. Many of them truly want to believe that black people are intellectually inferior to offset their insecurity about how prolific black athletes are.

If black people are better at everything, in the limited understanding of a racist, then the racist would have to struggle with being an 'inferior' race.

Of course we know that the issues are far more complex, but these morons are the same sort who believe snow in April disproves climate change. If one black man saves the nation, then any black man could... that's a silver spike in their belief in their own 'superiority'.

They would far prefer him to get 'offed' than have him succeed. That's how sick the people really are.

[condoleeza]

82. Sad, but true. n/t

[Goddess me]

105. Holly cow!

I think I love you, The Doctor!

I agree with what you have said. To this day, I still cannot understand what racism means. I mean, why do we hate black people anyway? Wasn't it the white people who kidnapped the black people from their country, made blacks into slaves to make the white people rich? (O' wait, I think I get it now.)

So, we are suppose to hate black skinned people because they decided not to be slaves anymore? How evil are we anyway? Shouldn't be scared?

It is like saying women are nothing but meat to be eaten, garbage to throw away, and (less than men) worthy of being murdered, raped and hated even though women are responsible for giving life to human beings. Where else do babies come from? I have never seen any man shit out a human from his asshole! Has anyone?

I just don't get this hate humanity thing.

How can the world continue without human beings? Please, someone explain.

[The Doctor.]

146. Ummm....

I don't think I understand the, uh, question?

[pokercat999]

135. What they are:

MAIN STREAM REPUBLICANS !!!

Yep just your average republican voter. Want to reduce the number of republicans? Use this as your mantra every time there is a crazy rethug movement label it as

MAIN STREAM CONSERVATISM AND EVERYDAY REPUBLICANISM !!

This is who they are, that some of them try to hide it and look sane is not an excuse to fail to call it what it is, MAIN STREAM REPUBLICANS acting they way normal republicans act and think.

[WinkyDink]

144. Those of us who lived through 1968 might beg to differ.

[MineralMan]

2. I wouldn't put it past them. Really.

Lots of ugly things being written on the tubes.

[Mrs. Overall]

3. I'm not sure all of them desire something that drastic--I think they fantasize a "Restoration"

of the republicans in power.

I read through that incredibly long and stupid birther thread at FR yesterday and I was amazed at how truly delusional they are. They actually had imagined (and took for truth) various scenarios of how Obama would be stripped of the presidency because of the fake birth certificate.

They were sure that everyone Obama had appointed would also go because his appointments would all be nullified. They believed McCain would be installed as president and Palin would be the vice president (and that is why she resigned as governor, in preparation to be vp). Some imagined that new presidential ballots were being drawn up and that Hillary would be running against McCain or another republican. It was truly delusional.

I'm hoping that the majority of them are not promoting assassination, but I could be wrong.

[RaleighNCDUer]

30. The majority are not promoting assassination.

But they would not be dismayed if it should happen.

[Goddess me]

108. I worked for a freeper for three years...

who admitted that they (the freeper's) would kill any president that they did not approve of. He was proud of that fact.

[Historic NY]

111. they believe in guns & bullets not the ballot box.

[jberryhill]

43. They Will Be Frustrated When Their Removal Fantasies Don't Work /nt

[shellgame26]

102. Jesus H Christ

That'll make one hell of a screenplay.

[NNN0LHI]

4. Heres what they will get if one of them wants to martyr themselves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqcROzGCwfA&feature=related

[NYC_SKP]

10. Yikes! 3000 rnds/min. I feel better now.

The pop-up turret is very cool.

:patriot:

[NNN0LHI]

15. They have to keep the windshield wipers going to remove the spent shells so they can see

Pretty lethal.

Don

[jhrobbins]

93. I saw a gun on that Modern Warfare show and they have a gun that fires 1 million rounds per minute.

It is unbelievable-it isn't firing from just one barrel-it is more like a cube with like 30 (or more) barrels or so

[NickB79]

145. Metalstorm. NT

[TahitiNut]

23. I'll never forget seeing the mini-guns in action in Viet Nam. Fucking scary/awesome.

I saw them from Puff (a gunship), a Huey Cobra (chopper), and mounted on a raised platform disguised as a freshwater cistern. The napalm drops and air-to-ground fire from jets paled in comparison.

[cliffordu]

34. Yep.

[The Wizard]

95. They fire so fast

that they sound like very loud chain saws. With every 10th round a tracer it looks like a stream of fire coming out of the barrel.

[TahitiNut]

97. Yup... like a laser/firehose with a sparkler at the end.

I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. :scared:

[The Doctor.]

28. The ultimate lawnmower. It might as well be a 500' long LightSabre.

Them damn things could cut a tank in half in seconds.

[Arkana]

91. Mary mother of God.

Suddenly I feel a lot better about Obama's protection detail.

[armyowalgreens]

156. Agents have also been known to carry uzi's in briefcases...

and MP5s



and M4A1s




They don't fuck around. When the shit hits the fan, they will unload a rain of gunfire that would make armies of small countries shudder.

[KatyMan]

5. Wouldn't somebody with the President's access

to classified information have to go through an extremely rigorous background check? Is the whole goverment in on it then?

[NNN0LHI]

9. He would never have passed the background check to become a US Senator

If he wasn't a US citizen.

Don

[eggplant]

92. the rules for the senate are less than for president

To be a senator, you must be

•at least 30 years old.
•a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.
•a resident of the state one is elected to represent in the Senate.

You don't have to be born here.

[gmoney]

143. well, he'd still need to prove citizenship

I'm sure Obama's claim to citizenship as a senator was being born in Hawaii, so they would verify that thoroughly, especially as he had to disclose his time spent living overseas in his youth.

[Pirate Smile]

7. I'm afraid you are right. That doesn't mean they'll succeed. There would be hell to pay but I do

think that is what a lot of them want. Most of us just don't want to say it out-loud because it is just too horrifying to consider.

That is why smart-ass comments like this tweet by Mark Knoller piss me off so much - "Obama milestones this week: He turns 48 tomorrow (with or without a birth certificate) and Friday is his 200th day in office."

Don't play with these POS on this issue. There is an extremely ugly and dangerous story raging below the slimy surface.

RW cops saying stuff, doing searches, etc. also worries me because we know they do a lot of the local security when Obama travels and have more access behind the security perimeter.

[Mrs. Overall]

13. I worry about that, too. I have a distant relative who is in the Secret Service and he is a white,

Southern guy who is a rabid Christian fundamentalist and was a huge Bush fan.

That makes me nervous.

[Pirate Smile]

37. When you add on the insane buying and hoarding of guns and weapons to such a crazy extent it

just seems like a bizarro land on edge and armed to the teeth.

[Spike89]

8. Most just shooting their mouths, not guns

There were plenty of us that simply didn't like Bush, and more than a few that got themselves noticed and into trouble advocating violent actions. Now, the Obama and Bush aren't anything alike, and in many ways the extreme left and right factions are very different. However, the truth is that there are always going to be a group that feels (rightly or wrongly) that they've been "robbed" of their rightful power and that the other side isn't just wrong, but evil.

I worry about the nature of the discourse, but I think it is a bigger problem than just some kooky birthers. In many ways, we've become very polarized and it is getting harder and harder to find common ground. It makes great fodder for the cable "news" shows, but it also threatens our future.

[Enthusiast]

124. There were valid reasons

for the 'left' to feel disenfranchised after the 2,000 election debacle and the 2004 theft of office. The RW IDiots have no valid complaint. Their only valid complaint is that President Obama is black and president.

[malaise]

11. They cannot, will not, accept Barack Obama as their President.

because he is not white

[thereismore]

12. Yes they want him gone. It won't take long before they take their hate to the next level. nt

[Echo In Light]

16. Most of those jerk offs are blowhards/loud mouths who, if push came to shove, would bow out

I don't doubt there are people like the OP describes, but I wouldn't ascribe to them greater level of potential threat and organization than what's likely there.

[alfredo]

21. Doing anything would mean getting dressed and leaving momma's basement.

[Echo In Light]

26. Well, the point is, being a flaming A-hole to someone online or on radio is VERY different from....

Walking up to someone eye to eye, and leveling the same rhetoric in the same hateful, blustery tone that rightward types prefer to have a safe, anonymous medium for. That way there's no risk of having their teeth punched down their throat.

[alfredo]

44. I have three on my veteran's mailing list that are armed and paranoid about

having a "N*****" as president. They are also heavy into guns.

[Echo In Light]

47. Again, I'm not denying the existence of such people, but think they represent a fractional %

[alfredo]

66. One in Texas and one in Indiana seem to be teetering on the edge of madness.

[RaleighNCDUer]

45. That's just the thing. They don't NEED to be organized. Just lucky.

And just lucky ONCE.

[jwirr]

89. With every success he achieves the hate will grow stronger. They

are bullies who are cowards under the surface.

[RamboLiberal]

14. I think you are very correct on this

The way they riled up the hate against the Clinton's in the 90's with the nodding aid of the MSM I was relieved when Bill & Hillary Clinton made it physically safe through the 2 terms.

I think there is double the hatred this time because of racism.

IMHO if anything happens to President Obama there will be blood on the hands of not only Limbaugh, Hannity, O' Reilly, Dobbs, and all the other lunatic RW pundits but also the TV and radio execs plus advertisers who allow this crap on their airwaves with no sense of responsibility for the content.

Yes there was certainly hatred for Bush but with few exceptions IMHO the pundits on our side had a sense of responsibility in not ramping it up to a point of possible violence against either Bush or Cheney.

[vinylsolution]

17. Funny how the corporate media....

... never mentions that Republican presidential candidate John McCain was born in Panama, and not the USA.

Did we ever see McCain's birth certificate being shown on-screen during the election campaign...? Nope.

[Medusa]

18. Watch one episode of Glen Beck

and you'll realize the OP was 100% correct. That is exactly what they want.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. no. they are just racists. i am sure they wont mind if he drops dead but i doubt

that is is really their big aim

[quiet.american]

46. "... just racists" ? As though racists don't have a history of violence in this country? nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. there are many more racists, than there are violent racists

ever since obama's election i have been struck by how clueless people are about racism, and how they think racism is such an uncommon issue.

yes, just racists. like a whole lotta people.

[quiet.american]

50. As an African-American, I can tell you generations of my family have endured "just racists."

And to us, there's no such thing.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

51. i think racism is a very common phenomenon, and violent racism mercifully much less so

and there are differences in the two.

just like homophobia is omnipresents, but very few people actually kill gays.

[quiet.american]

56. And I suppose you have some magic glasses that tell you which is which? :)

Listen, I'm pulling your leg there a bit -- I understand what you're saying. But let me tell you, there is no such thing as "just racists" or "just homophobes." Hate, in itself, is violence.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

59. i dont have a magic anything and neither do you. its a huge assumption

to jump to violence from stupidity

bigotry is not always violent.

[quiet.american]

61. I have a feeling you didn't read my whole post.

I'm sorry you can't understand why I simply can't take racism lightly or be dismissive about its destructive individual potential.

[Flying Dream Blues]

62. I do get your point and thanks for putting it out there; racism is violent

in its very nature.

[quiet.american]

64. Thanks for the shout-out, Flying. :) nt

[Enthusiast]

125. Overt racism always escalates

into violence. Name a time when this did not happen. Remember, I said 'overt'. If society agrees that overt racism is unacceptable racial violence will diminish.

In 1930s Germany we have a perfect example of what happens when we abandon "political correctness", respect or common courtesy toward our fellow man. Political correctness is an unspoken agreed on minimum courtesy level of societal discourse.

Of course we all know who in todays society continuously rails against the limits of political correctness. Limbaugh, Beck and Savage are the worst. They want the right to call President Obama a ni**er. That is a fact, no point in dressing it up.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

65. i did. racism is harmful in all forms but not violent in all forms.

in fact a lot of damage is done in nonviolence than violence. reducing racism to violence i think prevents understand of how racism or really any bigotry effects us.

we come to think of racists as the KKK types and not the more complex and damaging way racism works in todays society

[Flying Dream Blues]

67. I wasn't calling you out...it's just that I also think that racism

by its very nature wishes harm (in varying degrees, to be sure) on those it targets and in so doing, is violent if only by intimidation before a hand is ever raised or anything we label as violence is ever done. Many things I read in school made this point and I was just agreeing with the poster. Edited to say: I also agree with you that much of the harm is done by things we wouldn't typically label as violent.
:hi:

[quiet.american]

69. No, I didn't think you were -- I was saying "thank you." :) nt

[Flying Dream Blues]

73. Oops, and that last one was replying to La Lioness...:) nt

[quiet.american]

75. :) nt

[quiet.american]

71. Speaking for myself, that's not what I've come to think of racists as.

I think of KKK et al. as "white supremacists" amidst other things.

Saying these folks are "just racists" is something that I just can't let pass due to my life experiences.

Not every racist may pull a trigger or get the rope, but the very fabric of racism enables a kind of violence. That's why they're simply not "just racists" to me and I had to respond to your comment.

[noiretextatique]

81. they aren't "just racists" they are connected to centuries-long terrorism

that was legal until fairly recently. their solution to "uppity negroes" in times not that far in the past was to kill or lynch. i don't believe their narrative (entitled white folks vs. uppity negroes) is much different from their parents or grandparents. the only difference is that they can't act with impunity, as their parents and grandparents could. i think that's what really pisses them off.

[closeupready]

53. That's what I think.

I don't think it serves a good purpose to overstate who they are or what they want.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

54. yeah. like homophobia, i think racism is omnipresent but not everyone who is racist

will kill someone of another race, just like not all homophobes will kill gays.

[closeupready]

57. Correct, and also, seeing murderers everywhere distracts from lesser mischief-makers,

such as election fraudsters or bribed officials. I mean, if all his opponents are seen as wanting him dead, who cares about stolen elections or conflicts of interest? 'We have more compelling issues to address.'

[kjackson227]

20. Sad to say, but I think you're right. I worry about Obama on a daily basis...

Republicans= birthers= tea baggers= white supremacists= racists.

[kestrel91316]

22. They don't just want Obama dead. They want ALL liberals dead.

This has been obvious to me for years.

[troubledamerican]

78. Operation Condor

[troubledamerican]

79. Anthrax Attacks

[Jim Sagle]

118. JFK, MLK, RFK, Wellstone

[glitch]

25. People forget how successful hate radio was in Rwanda.

I think you are correct to be very concerned.

[Politicalboi]

27. Yes it's what they want

This would also show other minority candidates what can happen to them too. They're not afraid of people uprising in the streets if it does happen. They're armed. And after JFK, MLK,RFK, and 9/11 investigations, we will NEVER know what really happened. Only that some lone gunman did it. This video alone should show us not to trust the Secret Service.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8

Who are those agents? Where they EVER questioned? Are the still alive today? What was the order? We'll NEVER know.

[Orsino]

29. I think maybe they just want a focus for their rage.

Fox and talk radio have been feeding their native paranoia, and as long as they have something to yell about, and to feel less impotent thereby, they're content.

White privilege isn't exactly known for industry, or for a work ethic.

[Echo In Light]

31. Yes. There's been a lot of research into how authoritarianism has manifested here....

Ever since the end of the Soviets, and all of that nationalistic bluster ended up being re-directed to the reactionary/fundie/fascist's new enemy; what pathetically passes for the Left in this country. There are several books on the subject of this type of totalitarian theocracy ... which, oddly, is exactly what The Family types want to usher in under the radar so that it gets established incrementally - just enough that it's undeniably there, but still shadowy and out of the mainstream enough that when someone brings it up it's still fairly easy to denounce them as a loony conspiracy theorist. And oddly enough that attack seems to stem from those who are opposed to a theocracy! That's how the Right has gotten such mileage in this country - the denial of a concerted effort, mainly by those who don't align themselves w/the Right. Nutty, eh?

[Octafish]

116. That is some serious NAZI.

Goes back to Smedley Butler's day, before they armed Hitler.

[Myrina]

136. Yep, because they can't wrap their heads around the fact that ...

... as poor white folk, they've been used for a couple centuries now by their 'fearless leaders' as pawns against other poor - but colored - folk in America, in their 'leaders' quest for power and profit (divide and conquer).

They can't stand to think they they're as meaningless as everyone else who isn't wealthy, and need a way to try to make themselves 'indispensable' to their leaders.

Sick, isn't it? :(

[CakeGrrl]

32. Yep, that's the bottom line. n/t

[cliffordu]

33. Yep. Absolutely.

[DutchLiberal]

35. I believe the 'birthers' are only a pawn in the game of...

...of... what should we call 'them'? How can I describe 'them'? 'Vested interests'? 'Corporate owners'? I believe it's the same kind of 'them' that wanted JFK and RFK dead. Now, I think 'they' are setting this up, so that if/when Obama gets assassinated, 'they' can say it was "just a crazy lone gunman". Apparently, to them, even Obama is not corporate enough.

[JitterbugPerfume]

36. they would create a black martyr

greater than MLK. I can't believe they want that, but they are playing with fire.

[Mariana]

52. They're not thinking that far ahead.

They just want him gone, however that may be accomplised. There's very little thought about what would happen after, how it would tear the country apart. They imagine that, well, Mr. Biden would become president and life would just go on. They're very wrong.

[galileoreloaded]

115. IMHO, for them it already has been torn apart......

a kook with (perceived) nothing to lose, the most dangerous kind.

[SoCalDem]

38. I said it... so did Joan Walsh, last month

SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-22-09 08:11 PM

The Birther cretins are reaching their target audience. They only need a few to "respond".

They are using our airwaves to peddle their coded message. Joan Walsh (on Hardball nailed it).

Their message is this:

he's NOT like "us"
he's foreign
he's the result of a white woman sleeping with a black man
he IS a "secret moooooslim"
he's not a legitimate president


and without so much as a wink-wink-nod-nod, they have thrown down the gauntlet, in hopes that someone "out there" will "know what needs to be done"..

They don't really care about the damned document (which HAS been produced many times)... They are only latched onto this "issue", so they can remain in the spotlight, sending out urgent coded-pleas to some loony out there who is willing to act.

[ecstatic]

39. This is why I don't want them egged on... I understand it's funny to some, but

I think this has reached a critical point and it's no longer a joke.

[Hekate]

40. You just gave voice to my worst nightmare. Palin very dangerously stirred up this crowd...

... and we all watched her do it. John McCain was a damn fool for ever bringing her on board, and even he had the grace to be appalled when confronted with it. But he didn't repudiate either her or the crazies she inspired.

I am waiting (but not holding my breath) for the Republican Party and its leaders to tell these yahoos to stfu and go home. The fact that they still want them for their "base" is very telling, imo.

Hekate

[NNN0LHI]

68. The McCain campaign ordered Palin to use the "pals around with terrorists" crap

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/07/pals_around_with_terrorists_palin_wasnt_rogue_after_all.php

[bullwinkle428]

41. "Support Our Troops - We need their help to overthrow the government!"

This was an actual bumper sticker I saw on a car last week! :scared:

[jberryhill]

42. You Are 100% Correct

They don't care that their "evidence" and arguments are bunk. They know precisely what they are trying to accomplish.

[quiet.american]

48. K&R nt

[BlooInBloo]

55. Only problem is they have to clean the jizz out of their sheets every morning.

[Cha]

58. That's why banning sponsers of hatemongers like glen beck

is important, too.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8566668

James Von Brunn is a birther and white supremist..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31208188/

[Cleita]

60. Yes, and they all seem to be white. I haven't seen a brown or black face

among them when they get together in a group. It certainly seems to be a movement with an underlying motivation of racism.

[me b zola]

63. Don't forget the guy who flew his plane into the White House

on a kamikaze mission.

On Matthews week-end show he said this isn't dog whistle politics, its a train whistle politics. Nothing subtle about what they are doing.

[Uzybone]

70. This OP worries me greatly

because it is true.

[Umbral]

72. I dont' see what Marxism has to do with it. nt

[GrantDem]

74. This is a scenario that I have feared since the rhetoric started to heat up during the election.

Late last summer I confided in a friend, an older politico that has been around politics much longer than me. He told me that there are scared white people out there in fear of losing their "if-you-ain't-better-than-a-n*****-who-are-you-better-then" security blanket and they can't handle it.

We have all read the blog posts, read the articles, and watched the videos about these nutjobs. There are definitely wackos out there.

[marshall]

76. If Bush can make it safely through two terms, anybody can do it!

With all the legitimate vitriol that was directed at our former president, he still made it through eight years without even a scrape.

[morillon]

86. But most of it didn't have the edge of crazy this stuff has.

I have never been so worried about my country as I am now. The instant I'm within spitting distance of having enough money to relocate elsewhere, I'm leaving and taking my family with me.

[stanwyck]

87. I don't think you're cognizant of the people who have been shooting

people. They're not from the left. They're from the right. So...they wouldn't be going after Bush, now would they?

[marshall]

148. I think it's an even crap shoot

Bush even had his own movie out about his assassination---"The Death of a President". When they start making movies like that about Obama then I will take notice and be truly alarmed.

[stanwyck]

149. What? Bush was assassinated? Sorry. The facts are

against you here. By the way, I think you owe us some details on Bush's "assassination". As far as it being even on who's going into churches and shooting, or abortion clinics, you need to review. These are not leftwing crazies.
Your credibility is blown with the as yet unknown Bush assassination.
Wow.
I bet you saw that on Faux News.
(by the way, both former Bush presidents are alive. One is parachuting our of airplanes and the other is clearing brush. Maybe you were thinking of Kennedy?)

[marshall]

150. Re-read my post--I"m talking about a movie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_president

It's a very intriguing film--available on Netflix! Be sure to pop plenty of popcorn!

[stanwyck]

153. How does a fictional movie have anything to do with this discussion?

I don't understand your reasoning at all. How does a fictional movie of a made-up assassination have anything to do with this discussion?
Are you one of the birthers? That's fictional, too.

[marshall]

154. That's the point

A "made up fictional" movie and a "made up fictional" birth rumor. All to rile up the kooks.

[glinda]

77. I think so. That is why it is important that the Government start to arrest or fine or

crack down on hate speech. It is a National threat.

[Adelante]

80. I absolutely agree

It's where this all leads. You can see it every day at various sites, someone calling for his assassination or at the very least, a coup. I'm not even talking about the most extreme supremacist sites, but common Birther sites.

[brettdale]

83. agree 100%

Agree 100%

[Laurab]

84. There is just no way that they could hate him more than Bush was hated.

The "leader" of the birther movement seems to want her fifteen minutes of fame. I think she should go away now, she's gotten way too much more than that.

But I think back to bush, and I think how much I hated him, and how so many more hated him more than even I did - parent's whose kids were killed in one of his wars, poor people that would have had nothing more to lose, foreigners who had to deal with racial profiling - there's a long, long list of people who hated bush, and with good reason.

The only thing I worry about is that Obama keeps himself much less in a bubble than bush did - he actually hangs out with the common people sometimes. I think the "birthers" like to spout their hate, but for the vast majority, that's all they want to do. As always, it would just take that one deranged person, but my money is on Obama. If bush survived two terms, Obama should easily do the same.

[stanwyck]

88. However, if you look at the profiles of the people who have gone out

and shot people, they're not from the left. They're rightwing. There is a difference. If you'll read thru the posts here, you'll see name after name of rightwing shooters. Bush and Obama are not equivalent in terms of threats.

[gtar100]

119. There is a major qualitative difference between the hate for Bush and the hate for Obama

Bush was disliked and hated for hurting people. People suffered for real under him. He did things that hurt a lot of people and there was a cruelty behind his policies. What happened under his presidency was real, tangible and detrimental to millions. There were undeniable reasons for our feelings towards him and his associates.

Obama is disliked for who he is and what he is. He hasn't hurt anyone the way Bush has and yet the vitriol is as hyper as it ever was for Bush, it not more. There is no real sense to it, only fear based on beliefs. There is no reasoning with these people. In the face of cold, hard, undeniable facts they shut down and cling to their hatred. Such pride will come at a high cost to them personally and puts us all in danger because of their recklessness.

[Betty Karlson]

85. A friend of mine opined the very same thing a year ago

His very words were: "The United States will either get their first female president or the first African-American president. That's too much for some. Either of them will get killed."

[rhett o rick]

90. It won't be the birthers that assassinate Pres Obama. But one of them may be blamed.

There are very powerful organizations that do not like what Pres Obama stands for. If it appears that their bought and paid for congress critters can't stop the "change" they will seek to destroy him one way or other. These people are not used to losing and not afraid of using whatever is necessary. If assassination is the decision, they will frame some idiot like Oswald/Ruby and use a birther or teabagger as the fall guy.

If this post shows up on NSA screens, let me be clear, "I love my wife...", oops wrong statement. I support President Obama and wish him to be safe. But I fear for his safety. I hope the CIA is on our side.

[kristopher]

94. HItler's brown shirts was a fully institutionalized functional version of birthers

If they could do so even quasi-legally the birthers would be exactly like the brownshirts - full scale open violence and all. Limbaugh etal has them convinced they are just the most vocal tip of the spear and that if they lead the "silent middle" will follow. It is the same group hinting at armed insurrection and quoting the Declaration of Independence as a mark of membership: "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

[Faygo Kid]

99. Absolutely, their historical parallel is the Brownshirts. Except they are older.

Don't underestimate their propensity for violence, though. Near-billionaire Rush Limbaugh is loving this; it's the culmination of every resentment he has had in his ugly but prosperous life. He hopes some of his listeners commit random acts of violence or killing at the town halls over the congressional recess period in August. He cares nothing for the effect on their lives or that of their families.

[Enthusiast]

126. That is exactly correct.

The boogie man for the Brown Shirts was the communists, socialists and the Jews. Today it is the illegal immigrants, blacks, liberals (however they define it) and "the elite" (Again their definition, usually means educated).

[lenegal]

96. Actually they are brain dead freepers who don't

have 2 brain cells to put together to think.

[grantcart]

98. add a touch of religion, spice it up with apocalyptic fever and pass the ammunition

After the attempt people will say, "We never imagined it would lead to this".

[Goddess me]

106. Mother...

fuckers. I wish the rapture would hurry and get here. Imagine the world without religion! Beautiful.

[Uzybone]

100. it only takes one properly ginned up brainwashed idiot

[Enthusiast]

127. One with a terminal illness

willing to take himself out with others.

[Oilcan Harry]

101. related math

I totally agree and sadly so. We are definitely due for one of the "birthers" to get loose. It's mathematical. Out of 100 stupid people, one of them is the stupidest and probably wants to impress the others. If there are a million birthers, can you imagine the bottom of that chain?

I just read that Obama gets 30 death threats a day.

I do think this birfer movement is keeping them busy and I think Obama knows this. Just think how pissed they will be if he releases his original BC.

BTW...I'm new here...Hi everyone.

[tomreedtoon]

103. I was saying this before the election and you guys laughed.

Not so funny now, is it?

You didn't believe that racism in America laid that deeply, just because it's considered "un-PC" to talk about it out loud. But the feelings are just as deep as in the race and religion wars of the Middle East.

You guys don't go out into the real world, where there are guys with out and out racist bumper stickers and painted signs on their cars. You see offices and cubicles and a nice, pretty, shiny world. You don't know reality.

It will take a dead President for people to realize how racism is still alive. And I'm sure when it happens, you'll have lots of weeping and wailing...and lots of denial, lame excuses, and absolutely no changes.

[Enthusiast]

128. I'm a white male that

could see this all along.

[HamdenRice]

104. They're hardly any worst than DU's Trotskyites, haters, doomers, and Left Limbaugh mob...

Honestly, I don't see the difference. Maybe in specific ideology, but not in hatred, extremism, hoping for failure of the administration and all of society, or despising Obama, the Democrats and the American Union movement.

[Juche]

107. I think it is more the wealthy interests that do that

I'm not excusing the right wingers, but to me they are just useful idiots. It is the wealthy, powerful people who will see their incomes and influence go down who are preying on the prejudices, fears and psychology of authoritarian conservatives who are truly to blame. The useful idiots barely understand whats going or what they are protesting. They just know their fears and insecurities are being preyed upon with inflammatory rhetoric.

[Hugabear]

109. It only takes ONE whack-job

Sure, most of these freeper types are lazy mouth-breathers, who will never do anything more than froth at the mouth and attend "tea parties" with other mouth-breathers.

But history is filled with examples showing that it only takes ONE of these idiots to go overboard. And given the level of hatred and vitriol coming from the right, I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple of lone wolf nutjobs out there putting together some nefarious plan.

[Mithreal]

110. Posting these unspeakable words as if attempts are inevitable...

OP writer, your opinion here is rotten even though you wrap it in a prayer.

[grahamhgreen]

112. 'unspeakable' ! What if it's true? Could prevent an attack. nt

[Mithreal]

113. Come on. Everyone knows he put his life at risk just running.

And speaking about this on a forum is supposed to serve what purpose?

Think the SS doesn't know there are death threats against him?

http://m.telegraph.co.uk/article/5967942

Hillary Clinton mentioned something near the end of her campaign last year about being ready in case something like what happened to Bobby Kennedy happened again and people piled on top of her. There is a reason some things are unspeakable. Giving voice to these kinds of FEARS serves no one and may even fuel the very event. I will think about this some and see if I can come up with a sound argument against it but if this sort of idea took hold in the media and stirred up a frenzy of speculation I would bet the Secret Service's job would be even harder. The op writer should let some ugly thoughts remain unshared.

[Beacool]

139. That's not what she said.

She was referring to the time line. She said that Bill didn't secure the nomination until August and that RFK was campaigning in June when he was assassinated. The media and some others took her words out of context and insinuated that she was implying that she was hanging on in case Obama was assassinated. Ridiculous........

:-(

[Mithreal]

141. I don't disagree. nt

[grahamhgreen]

140. Book: Obama Faces 30 Death Threats a Day

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/4/headlines

"A new book on the history of the Secret Service reports the rate of threats against the President has increased 400 percent since President Obama took office in January as the nation’s first African American president. According to author Ronald Kessler, Obama is the target of more than thirty potential death threats a day. Most of the threats have been kept under wraps, because the Secret Service fears that revealing details of them would only increase the number of copycat attempts."

When you consider that the only people who stopped the 9-11 attacks were "We the People", I think it is appropriate to alert the American populace to this possible threat. Remember the Secret Service, the CIA, the FBI, the military, the police, the Congress, and the President WERE UNABLE TO STOP ANY ATTACKS!

Only the people on the planes prevented an attack, and we need to be diligent in our efforts to stop such an act from ever occurring to anyone in this country, IMHO.

I suppose the OP could have put it a little more diplomatically....

[eowyn_of_rohan]

117. well said and I agree

how this got on the front page I cannot understand... :mad:

[Mithreal]

122. Same thought here, is sickening. nt

[Enthusiast]

130. We need to face facts.

These people have reached the dangerous stage. Have you forgotten Oklahoma City?

[Mithreal]

142. Republicans are dangerous to Americans and America, no argument there. nt

[scheming daemons]

137. Wow....

Like I said, nobody wants to say it out loud.


But you know, deep down, what the nut jobs on the right want.

[Odin2005]

114. I fear what would happen if Obama is murdered. The whole country may erupt in violence.

:scared:

[defendandprotect]

120. Completely agree . . .

sadly . . .

[onestepforward]

121. These hateful people are like gasoline fumes

and all the rabid right-wing talking heads are like a match. These folks are truly nuts and their hate is very real... that is what scares me. Their antics are now beyond just a joke and should be taken seriously. Our corporate media doesn't help matters either.

[Hamlette]

123. same song, different decade. It's what they did to Clinton.

they are intolerant totalitarians. They will always be with us and we can't let them win.

[craigmatic]

129. The birther movement's leadership is in Israel they had one of their leaders on MSNBC today. I think

they hate anyone with a remotely sounding muslin name. This woman was a doctor and was obviously bat shit crazy. She spoke with an accent but claimed that Obama was an immigrant. You could choke on the irony.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

131. I Didn't Know The Birther Movement 's Leadership Is In Israel

I also didn't know Israelis hate anybody with a remotely sounding Muslim name.

[Clear Blue Sky]

132. I just think a lot of people like conspiracy theories.

[RC]

151. Sometimes that is all that fits the facts.

[GeorgeGist]

133. The Legacy of Losers ...

is fait accompli

[customerserviceguy]

134. Nope, just discredited

It's the same thing we were doing with "Selected, Not Elected". There are true believers on each side of the political spectrum, they're fighting for the mushy middle to either legitimize or de-legitimize whoever is in office.

Yes, there are threats to the life of President Obama, every president faces that. But to call the birthers murderous is to look as whack-job as they are in the eyes of the people who are only peripherally interested in politics. Just deride them as nut cases, and keep the mushy middle on board for the next election.

[Orsino]

152. I think so.

Their main goal is to see Obama lose. A successful African-American president--especially one immeidately following the Bushtastrophe--is more than they can handle.

[caseymoz]

138. You have it right-- but another way to see it is racism.

Suddenly the main authority figure in their world is the "wrong" race.

So, now they hunt for the lie and the conspiracy that has allowed this to take place.

What is behind this is just racism-- of a more insane flavor. One in which their prime authority figure has got to be white. The contradiction of that has unhinged them.

Plus, these paranoid racists are being played through propaganda. There is some contingent of the RW propaganda machine that won't let this die.

[Blue_Tires]

147. very true

[lamp_shade]

155. FREEPERS posted this thread. See Here: ....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2309410/posts