I Don't Know What Transpired Between The Cop and Prof. Gates

[MannyGoldstein]

I wasn't there. I didn't see it.

[depakid]

1. You don't have to have been there to know this crap was unwarranted

[N7255Q]

2. So true. Intuition trumps eyewitness every time.

That's how I know God created the universe 6000 years ago!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

11. Good one -

Thank you. That was perfect...............

[depakid]

13. No, because unlike some idiots- or trolls- it's pretty obvious from the reports what went down here

And unlike most cowardly Americans- I don't feel the need to bolster up the cops when they get out of line.

[MUAD_DIB]

24. Congrats. You nailed N7255Q guud.

You managed to insinuate that he/she is an idiot, troll and cowardly American.

Yeah, you're a lawyer alright.

:rofl:

[Garbo 2004]

36. Well perhaps at least one out of three....RIP N7255Q.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=243273

[Cha]

37. ANd, just who was the eye witness? Oh, I'm sorry

I didn't know I was talking to a dead man.

[MUAD_DIB]

6. You'd make a poor lawyer. Gather all the facts then make your case

from that.

Playing from emotion will just get you into trouble.

[depakid]

14. How do you know that I'm not a lawyer?

[MUAD_DIB]

22. If you are then you are a poor one. ;D

[depakid]

25. More likely an experienced one

who's seen thousands of these sorts of deals before.

[MUAD_DIB]

28. You're not a lawyer. You are, however, becoming a punchline.

[depakid]

29. Well, you can make all the glib and shallow comebacks you like

and you still wouldn't know whether I have a bar card- or two- not how many cases like this that I've seen in my life.

The bottom line of course is that we've got more than enough salient facts to know what went on.

[MUAD_DIB]

32. In my dealings with rabid conservatives on other boards, and let me state that

I am not implying that you are a rapid conservative, their tactic is usually to say that they are an expert on a matter without clearly providing proof of such expertise. Their MO is that "You can't prove me wrong so therefore I am what I say." I have had several bouts with a clownish conservative that claims he is a NY Attorney, but his responses leave me and the other members of that board with no doubt that he is a pretender.

If you are what you have suggested you are then I would have expected a more reasonable and less emotional response in your past postings on the subject of Professor Gates. If you are what you say you are then I would have expected that you would have at least identified yourself as a lawyer and not nibbled around the corners of such a possibility.

You can say that you are the Pope and demand that I prove it. Anonymity is always a sweet deal when pretending what or who you are not. The Onus is on you to prove your claim that you are indeed a lawyer, but if you are then your implied insults at another DUer leave me with great doubt of your honesty.


But all the facts are not in on this case. There has been a lot of posturing and crying and emotion about this matter, but I doubt that all the facts have surfaced for the general public to see.


That's what I am looking for before I make my own judgment, and although I am NOT a lawyer that is what I would expect from somebody who is or claims they are one.

[EFerrari]

10. No, you don't need to be there. You need to be able to read

and reason which apparently is too taxing for some people here.

[depakid]

27. Yep- and it does make one curious about the motivation

or the several motivations.

[hughee99]

12. Exactly...

The cop was a racist and went in with a preconceived notion of what the situation was, without getting all the fact, and then, when confronted with a different reality, refused to do the right thing. Professor Gates was exercising his right to free speech.

At least that's my preconceived notion of the what happened, without having all the facts.

[Xipe Totec]

3. Cop out n/t

[Amonester]

4. The bully (cop) did not identify himself as The Law requires.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6134165

He said he didn't like his voice.

In the same situation, he wouldn't have liked my voice either...

[Cali_Democrat]

20. Thank you for that link. n/t

[sharesunited]

5. Righteous indignation can look like disorderly conduct to someone too proud to apologize.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

7. Was Gates pointing a gun at the officer?

I don't think so.

[Uzybone]

15. no, he was pointing his wallet at him

[EFerrari]

8. I do. The arresting officer said Gates had a bad tone:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6134956&mesg_id=6134956

[Tangerine LaBamba]

9. Silly -

so not knowing the truth or reality of what actually happened is going to keep you from having AN ABSOLUTELY IRON-CLAD OPINION?

Amateur.

Get off DU.....................

:sarcasm: <------------- This isn't for you, Manny, understand that .........................

[TexasObserver]

16. And people wonder why so many threads are unrecommended.

[MannyGoldstein]

17. Truthiness Uber Alles n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

18. You could say this about numerous events in history.

One reason why we have discussion forums is to discuss certain issues and give opinions about events we haven't personally witnessed.

[MannyGoldstein]

19. Reasonable Point

Although the more people who witness an event, the more reliable the accounts will be (in aggregate). 1 vs 1 is a coin toss.

[seabeyond]

21. you are part of the problem that will continue to escalate the distrust of our police.

the higher ups are not sitting the boundary. we the people must.

or pretend there isnt a problem as it worsens

[MannyGoldstein]

23. So *you* know what happened?

I don't doubt that cops do bad things sometimes. I just don't know what happened in this incident.

[seabeyond]

26. i know a man was arrested when he shouldnt have been. a cop escalated the situation

not deflated it which is his job. i know the cop didnt give his name and id (per cop and gates) which he has to provide. and i am pretty damn sure he lured gates outside with the intent to arrest him because he couldnt arrest him in his home. i know cop didnt like gates "tone" and that he didnt vote for obama.

all of that is bad cop to me

i imagine gates was irrate, unreasonable, sounded arrogant, and so what. he gets to be all that.

i know the cop didnt fear for his life, wasnt threatened, had no weapons drawn on him

and i know gates was sittin in his home not breaking any law

[EFerrari]

31. Brava. Exactly.

:applause:

[Cha]

38. And, we know the charges were Dropped and

an apology was given from the station but not from the egomaniac who arrested Gates.

[seabeyond]

39. cha ching.... lol. wink.

thanks. that is an obvious, though irrelevant to me cause hey... the moment he was known to belong in that home, was done.

[Cha]

40. Right..but, since he's

an arrogant egocentric who's out there whipping up victimhood and whining to anyone who will listen..it's good to remind certain people who don't get it..that the Po-lice dropped the charges and apologized. :)

[seabeyond]

41. absolutely. right on. charges dropped, mayor apologized. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

30. The last defense of racism apologists.

[MannyGoldstein]

33. So I'm A Racist?

Lovely.

[Better Believe It]

42. Here's everything you know about what happened during that confrontation ......

.... and .... plus .... Gates said .... the cop said .....

Beyond that you know nothing about what was actually said during their encounter.

But, don't let that stop you from making judgements about the prof or the cop.

Does your "court" of justice accept hearsay evidence?

And are you the same person who also reviews movies they haven't seen?

[Cha]

44. We do know the police dropped the charges

and the mayor apologized. I guess you didn't get that part.

[Better Believe It]

45. And beyond that we know little or nothing. You should follow Obama's good advice and lead on this

The charges were dropped.

Good.

Do you think that was because the charges were made against a prominent rich black man?

What if it had been a poor working class black man or woman or even a poor working class white person?

[Cha]

46. All we know are the facts and

the po-lice dropped the charges from viewing their evidence..oh, and APOLOGIZED.

[Better Believe It]

47. They let him slide. That's good.

[joeybee12]

34. Well, you're in luck...about half of DU was there apparently!

They can fill you in.

[EFerrari]

43. If first hand experience was needed to know something

we could close down our school system and let those kids go out and play.

[Obamanaut]

35. Neither was the president, but he formed an opinion and then gave

it at a press conference. Link to transcript provided

<snip> “Well, I should say at the outset that "Skip" Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here. I don't know all the facts. What's been reported, though, is that the guy forgot his keys, jimmied his way to get into the house, there was a report called into the police station that there might be a burglary taking place…”

.<snip>“Now, I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that, but I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge Police acted stupidly in arresting…”

<more at link>http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/2009/07/trans...

I think it would have been better if he had simply said that it would not be appropriate to comment.