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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:18 PM Original message |
All 5 of the Watergate burglars who broke into Democratic headquarters were CIA operatives |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. 1. The truth comes out eventually |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. haha ...Amen to that. nt |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. They were ordered by Nixon |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. This has been known for a long, long time - |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. You think they teach this in school? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. That's "CIA involvement" only in the same sense |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
47. I consider the quality of the team hired as irrelevant, the very act |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You have to consider the historical context - |
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Cybergata (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
43. Yet it is amazing how quickly it was forgotten . . . |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. It tells me that the CIA's training standards are in their ass. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. I have a close friend who's a CIA operative. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. So do I. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. My friend has something to do with satellite imagery. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. One of my BILs was recruited by the CIA after he got back from Vietnam |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. It tells me the President sent men whom he had reason to believe would be good at it. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. As you say, we can take no credit for defeating the red menace |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
12. Everyone knows.. the CIA is the home of Rendition, Dirty Tricks and Murder... |
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Maccagirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. The only sunlight that will be "let in" |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
14. 2. The CIA can be controlled by rogue agents or other external parties. nt |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. We are not maligning the entire Agency nor every employee-certainly the Domestic Operations Division |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
17. let's see, off the top of my head: McCord, Hunt, Martinez, at least one other Cuban. |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. E. Howard Hunt, at one time Deputy to Tracy Barnes first head of Domestic Operations Division |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. who fired Barnes? was it that great American Richard Helms, who was convicted of lying |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Bada bing! Richard McGarrah Helms fired Barnes. |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. thanks.....read lots of that. his daughter is quite the piece of work, too, eh? |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I'm much more interested in his niece, Lalli Helms, former US PR spokesperson for the Taliban. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. Anti-Castro operatives n/t |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. oops...Frank Sturgis, duh....Hunt was across the street, yes? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
18. nixon got taken down, it tells *me*. |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. I concur. |
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FreeJG (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
19. All here need to read "Barry and the Boys" |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Anything by Hopsicker is useful. |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
26. Not only that but they were Bay of Pigs operators. More dots. |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Big dots: Tracy Barnes and the Domestic Operations Division (formally created in February 1963 from |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. I've also read that they... |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
54. Yep |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You should see this article... |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
29. two of my favorite Watergate books: |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
31. CIA man James McCord taped the door lock TWICE with the tape showing. |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Where was poppy? |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. For Nixon, during Watergate, Poppy headed the RNC |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Oh DUH! Thanks for reminding me! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Two more things: |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
34. And William F Buckley worked for Howard Hunt in Mexico City |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. And Hunt worked for Averell Harriman in post-war Europe. |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
58. not theauthor, the CIA Beirut station chief who was taken hostage: |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
36. Hah...Bernard Barker's dead, eh? |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
37. Therefore we NEED the CIA! They bring down corrupt presidents! |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. The CIA has done much to make the world safe for democracy (unfettered capitalism) |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
40. K&R |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
41. The CIA ranks up there with the KGB, just behind the SS in my book. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
48. Financing crooks isn't enough. We have to finance bad crooks. |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
49. thanks for the link. |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
50. Martha Mitchell the wife of AG Mitchell soon before her *death* |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
51. Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
53. Uhm, the OP title might be a tad misleading. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Actually, |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. McCord was an agent, once. That's pretty much uncontested. |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. sturgis is frequently named as a contract agent of the CIA. as in Valerie Plame's case, |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Rockefeller commission (1975) cleared him from being CIA agent |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. so who buys the Rockefeller commission, and do they discuss contract agent status? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Contractor, Informer, former employee (and a few other types) were discussed |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I'm with you up until the very last. how on earth could the CIA be as incompetent |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. How could the CIA be incompetent? Really? |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I get you, but are you saying that he just flounced over from Atsugi without |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Hanlon's Razor. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Did Sturgis co-found the International Anti-Communist Brigade? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Sturgis worked with pro, and anti, Fidel (and communism) |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Sturgis was also a former Marine... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Tha's one interpretation. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
65. Could they have been hired by former CIA boss, GHWB |
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