The #1 reason we should NEVER TORTURE!!!

[NightWatcher]

U.S. soldier captured by Taliban: 'I'm afraid'
A U.S. soldier captured by the Taliban says in a video posted on the Internet he is "scared I won't be able to go home." The soldier was identified today by the Pentagon as Pfc. Bowe R. Bergdahl, 23, of Ketchum, Idaho. He was captured June 30 from Paktika province in southeastern Afghanistan.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/07/19/afghanistan.soldier.hostage/index.html

[kentuck]

1. At least they don't have him hanging from the ceiling in shackles or..

hooked up to electrical wires or lying on a board with water running down his nose and throat.

At least, not yet.

[NightWatcher]

3. and when and if they do, we cant say shit.

"we got some of yours, you got some of ours, ok even stevens"

Sorry, Mr and Mrs Bergdahl of Ketchum, Idaho, all's fair, afterall we did do some of their guys first. We had it coming

[Pavulon]

33. You think they fucking care what we say?

that has jack shit to do with anything. This guy has a slim chance of living, much better chance of having his head hacked off for his parents to see on tv. We are there to kill those guys, if we find them they will die. If they are lucky they will be captured.

These guys have not played by rules ever, not with russia and not with us. Not saying we should torture people, but that it is totally irrelevant to this person.

[marmar]

59. And we know Amurka always plays by the rules......

[Pavulon]

64. Yep, amerikka and all that shit. But bet your ass

you get to choose which side captures you and you would rather be in amerikkan hands. Oh, if you are a jew then you are really fucked. Dan Pearl, a civilian, they treated him great. I am sure your SO would love to see you hacked up on tv. When i hear a guys say they are preparing to shoot wounded men and then themselves, not part of military culture, that is pretty striking.

WORST case from us you get half drowned, your ass kicked, and then rot is a shithole island prison. But if we keep you we dont kill you. Not as a rule.

The VAST majority of people we take live. Enemy, hey keep an eye on liveleak maybe you can see this person's head hacked off while he screams and chokes on his own blood.

We are playing nice, go find an old man who served in the south pacific. Ask him about prisoners. There were units that NEVER took prisoners through the entire second world war. They killed our people so we shot there guys.

Unlike germany, japan did not have much interest in prisoners. So after finding dead men mutilated some units just shot everyone for the remainder of the war.

We do not, as a routine, torture and kill prisoners. When we guillotine every man at gitmo, your comparison is apt

Hope this poor guy finds him some allah real quick and can convince these guys he is useful in there hands.

[slampoet]

7. or in the camera shot.

Like we do.

[jgraz]

23. So far, the Taliban are showing more humanity than we did.

Sad but true.

[NutmegYankee]

27. This won't last.

Once his propaganda value is used up, he'll get his head sawed off. Even with the Bush behavior, we have acted very civilized compared to them. There was once this simple rule before the Geneva Conventions that if you killed our prisoners of war, we would kill yours. We are well justified by precedent to just execute insurgent prisoners in retaliation, but we do not. We don't because we are better than that. Not so with them.

[sabrina 1]

54. I remember the same being said when US

soldiers were captured in Iraq. But, as it turns out, they WERE treated according to the rules of the Geneva Conventions for the most part and returned alive.

You are forgetting also how many detainees have died in US held prisons. Over one hundred that we know of, some definitely falling into the category of POWs. But all protected by the GC, or should have been.

So, I'm curious as I see comments like this a lot, that the Taliban are cruel and inhumane (most likely true) and that WE are better somehow. How is it better to have your bones broken and hung, wounded until you die, to be beaten into unconsciousness and then smothered with a plastic bag, or frozen to death? I wonder, given a choice, whose custody one might choose to be in, considering all we know about the torture policies of this country now? Seems to me it wouldn't make much difference. We long ago sunk to the level of the Taliban and do not and will not have a shred of credibility by making such statements, until justice is done and those who brought us down to that level, are brought to justice. But I don't see that happening.

As for the Taliban, it is probably now in their best interests to treat this soldier humanely, if for no other reason than to demonstrate to the world that they are more humane, sadly not so hard to do at this point. For the soldier's sake, I hope that is the decision they make and that they do not regard him as 'a dog' as our troops were instructed to regard Iraqi prisoners.

You will get no sympathy pointing out the inhumanity of others is what I'm saying, since we have lost all moral authority and are now regarded around the world as hypocrites at the very least when we try to do so.

[NutmegYankee]

56. I stopped reading after the sentence - because we found their bodies in the Tigris.

They were killed by the insurgents. Thanks for playing.

[sabrina 1]

57. Playing? I don't consider this a game

The bodies I am talking about were not found in the Tigris, they were found in US held prisons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

The prisoner Manadel al-Jamadi died in Abu Ghraib prison after being interrogated and tortured by a CIA officer and a private contractor. The torture included physical violence and strappado hanging. His death has been labeled a homicide by the US military <8>, but neither of the two men that caused his death have been charged. The private contractor was granted immunity.<9>


Other Deaths in Abu Ghraib Prison
It was reported by Salon <10> of multiple deaths of Iraqi prisoners in U.S. custody. This includes at least 28 dying at Abu Ghraib according a report issued by the ACLU. <11>.


Raping of prisoners
It is also reported that prisoners were raped by American military personel.<12> An Iraqi teenage boy was raped by an uniformed man while photos of it were taken by a female US military police.<13> It is not clear whether the American was a soldier or a person hired by the US Army but a witness to the occurrence believed it was a translator. A translator working for the US Army was arrested for this, but was later let go as the US Army did not believe it had the jurisdiction to charge him.

In another case, a female inmate was raped by an American military policeman. In a third reported case, witnesses said US guards repeatedly raped a 14 year old girl in 2003. <14>. In a fourth reported case, Senior US officials admitted rape had taken place at Abu Ghraib.

>snip


Two inmates in December 2002 were tortured and beaten to death in cells down the hall from her office. "Hung by their arms from the ceiling and beaten so severely that, according to a report by Army investigators later leaked to the Baltimore Sun, their legs would have needed to be amputated had they lived

I'll stop now, although I could go on, and on. Over one hundred deaths have been documented. But no one really knows how many have died in those prisons .... these torturers for the most part, (except for a few low level soldiers, AFTER the abuse could no longer be denied), are still free, some received medals, Gen. Miller eg, instructed his troops to 'treat the Iraqis like dogs' while Sanchez, named in the Taguba report as one of the superior officers who was aware of the abuse, received a medal.

If you want more details, photos, etc., they are available. But, if you want to be an apologist for torture by saying 'well they do it too', that's your business, but as I said, expect to be called a hypocrite as that IS what we are being called. Saying others 'do it too' is not a winning argument in defense of criminal activity is all I'm saying. Let's hope those holding this soldier don't use that defense, 'well the US does it too' to justify abusing him.

Once again, I sincerely hope they see the benefit of acting humanely ...

[NutmegYankee]

65. You stated that the Iraqis treated our soldiers well - then why were they killed?

Why did we keep fishing the bodies of captured US soldiers from rivers? You are full of shit. US military code forbids what happened in Baghdad, but the insurgents have no such code. If they capture a soldier, they kill them. We do not do the same, and are therefore not like them. Every army has it's failures to follow the law, but those we fight in Iraq and Afghanistan do not have laws.

[sabrina 1]

72. You're wrong again, but don't let facts get in your way.

Several soldiers were captured at the beginning of the war and they were released by the Iraqis. Remember Jessica Lynch?

Over one million Iraqis are dead as a result of this war. Over 5 thousand US troops are dead and tens of thousands injured. The responsibility for this is not with the Iraqis. Remember? They did NOT invade the US, the US invaded their country and anytime a country is invaded people will fight back. Is that a novel idea for you?

Wrt to your claim that we were 'fishing US soldiers out of the Tigris', I see you provided nothing to back that up, not that in a war, once you start it, that might not happen. But I have searched and find nothing to back up your statement,.

I did find this however:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-11157762.html

Soldier gets 6 months in drowning case; He was convicted of ordering his soldiers to throw Iraqis into the Tigris River


An Army platoon sergeant who ordered his soldiers to throw Iraqis into the Tigris River was sentenced Saturday to six months in military prison, but will not be discharged.

Army Sgt. 1st Class Tracy Perkins was convicted Friday of two counts of aggravated assault, assault consummated by battery and obstruction of justice. He was acquitted of involuntary manslaughter and making a false statement.

I will await your outrage over the fishing of Iraqis out of the Tigris, who were ordered dumped there by a US soldier, who has not been discharged from the military.

Searching further to find something to back up your claim, I still have found nothing. I did however find a report of a soldier who drowned in the Tigris, the cause of the drowning appears to have been a boat that capsized.

I also found reports of US soldiers being baptized in the Tigris, but still nothing on 'fishing US troops out of the Tigris'.

Every death in Iraq, soldiers and civilians alike, since the invasion is the responsibility of the invaders who went to war based on lies.

As far as the military code of justice is concerned, it doesn't seem to have bothered the Bush administration, anymore than they were bothered by the Geneva Conventions or Domestic laws forbidding torture and lying their country into war. Some brave and patriotic soldiers have refused to follow illegal orders, many have gone awol and others reported the crimes which is how we know about them, but so far, not one high official has been indicted for violating the law. So I repeat, as long as that continues, we are in no position to criticize anyone else, no matter how bad they are.

Unlike you, I do not wish to even compare the US to the Taliban or any other oppressive regime. If that is your standard for our behavior, then we have nothing more to talk about.

And, fyi, Iraq was a signatory to the Geneva Conventions a fact that may have been the reason the first captured US soldiers were released mostly unharmed. The Taliban makes no pretense of having signed on to those laws.

As for what you call 'insurgents' and the mass killings of Iraqis that occurred later, do you know who those 'insurgents' were? Who unleashed the 'death squads'? We don't know yet, but hopefully after this country returns to the rule of law, there will be investigations and maybe one day, those responsible will get the justice they deserve.

Now, feel free to tell me I'm 'full of shit' ... or, back up what you have to say with some credible sources which might give you more credibility.

[chucker47]

53. Not sad but true. Just plain SAD.

The Taliban are more humane than we are? You can blame Washington DC for sending troops to war, but don't blame the troops for doing their job (which, unlike the Taliban, does not include the intentional targeting of civilians). I know it is difficult to become truly objective while residing in Berkeley, CA but please please show some intelligence when making such an inflammatory declaration. Soldiers and Marines know from their training that they may be captured and receive instruction on how to behave and not to behave. It's a risk of being in combat territory. Check how our troops did when kept in Hanoi by the No Vietnamese. Some of our bravest troops are ex-POWs kept from very short periods to over 8 years. John McCain is a shining example of a loyal soldier who could have come home sooner but refused preferential treatment. I don't know what this soldier's situation is. I just pray he will not violate his oath or jeopardize lives of his fellow soldiers or Marines. The Taliban are an instrument of oppression, especially of women. No driving. No working. No socializing outside of Taliban approved radical Muslim. Beatings!

[jgraz]

62. And another freeptroll eats his pizza

Buh bye... :hi:

[timeforpeace]

36. True, their method is hacking off body parts. They aren't looking for info, they torture to kill.

They would do this without our having engaged in info seeking torture, that's their way. Keep the captive comfy until the hacking begins. A captive is not valuable for his knowledge, but for his propaganda and ransom value. Once their isn't any of that value, he or she is hacked to pieces. The US has decided to wage war, so it's gonna happen.

[jgraz]

63. We weren't looking for info, either

We were trying to generate false confessions.

[NutmegYankee]

2. don't disagree with the premise - But

Have the insurgents in the GWOT ever released an American Soldier alive yet? I doubt that torture matters in that decision. This guy is dead.

Fighting against a civilized opponent on the other hand, it matters greatly.

[shadowknows69]

12. Which one of us is the "civilized" opponent again?

I always lose track of the answer when I read we bombed another wedding or funeral.

[NutmegYankee]

17. The one that doesn't saw off heads with dull knives.

The one that doesn't blow up girl's schools.

The one that doesn't murder women by inflicting mass trauma by stones because they won't cover themselves completely in a head to toe bag.

The one that doesn't murder people for listening to music.


Gee, which one is that?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. We're "civilized" because we kill with bombs from a distance?

We have blown up girl's schools.

We have killed women (more than the Taliban, by far) who weren't covered from head to toe or were covered from head to toe.

We have killed people listening to music.

[NutmegYankee]

24. Not intentionally - And that is the big difference.

Innocents die in every war. Spare me the we are evil bullshit. If you don't think we are better with our ideals on liberty and human rights, go join them. We took the Bush regime down.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. The result of our "ideals" are the same. Only more extensive.

Or, I should say, a helluva lot more extensive. And, you're "go join them" suggestion is akin to "America, love it or leave" so popular with a certain type of Americans who get us into the killing fields. American exceptionalists that our "ideals" overrule our actions. I did "join" the killers. Fortunately, the circumstances allowed me not to kill anyone for "ideals".

“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy.” - Gandhi

[NutmegYankee]

30. My problem is you comparing us to the Taliban.

I'm over the "blame America first" crowd. Go off and stone some women if you hate it here.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. So, where do we not compare?

We blow up, torture, kill wantonly, terrorize, all in the name of American "ideals". The Taliban, blow up torture, kill wantonly and terrorize, all in the name of Muslim "ideals".

Where's the difference for the victims?

Why don't you go and blow up some villages if you love it here? Or, perhaps, torture some prisoners?

[NutmegYankee]

34. Gee Tierra, go ask the French who had their towns leveled by US troops

If they still wanted to live under the German Occupation. I mean, people died blowing up villages to push the Germans back.

I Guess you could say we were just as bad as the Germans, but I don't smoke crack...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. Gee, I guess the French who were killed were very grateful.

As were the millions killed in Vietnam and Iraq for our "ideals". Not to mention Dresden, Hamburg, Horishima and Nagasaki.

So, would you, Nutmeg, torture or drop bombs on civilians for our "ideals"? If so, how does that differ from the Taliban and the Germans doing the same for their "ideals".

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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. And, the result is the same.

Your extrapolation of my views are entertaining in their utter ignorance.

[eridani]

61. Whatchu mean "America," kemosabe?

Is "America" just the elite policy makers who profit from dominating natural resources and making the world safe for dollar a day labor? Or might the rest of us poor saps who just live here have some claim to the title?

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[eridani]

73. Who's rooting for the Taliban?

The fucking US government helped to CREATE the Taliban, and is currently the ally of warlords who are just as vicious and misogynistic as the Taliban and a lot more corrupt. What about we just stop fucking with them?

I don't want anyone to be tortured. Don't invade countries and attampt to dominate them, and none of our folks would be around to get tortured. How about giving a lot of money to indigenous groups like RAWA instead?

http://www.rawa.org/events/mar8-2008_e.htm

RAWA from the very first days stated that no country will grant freedom and democracy to another country and today this reality is evident to all. The US disguised the dead rats of yesterday with suits and ties thus released them like wild wolves on our people and are doing nothing about the current crimes, violation of human rights, looting of millions dollars of aid by warlords and corrupt NGOs. If the billions of dollars of aid directed in the name of reconstruction were not poured in the pockets of criminals in the parliament and cabinet, natural hazards like freezing winter would have not taken so many lives today. Even if a small portion of that money was spent for the relief of people, the life conditions of our miserable people, particularly women would have not been so tragic.

Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA) once again proclaims that all gloomy days and miseries of our country have roots in the existence of fundamentalist forces be it Jehadi or Taliban styles and as long as this filthy virus is not removed from the body of our country, our nation and country will never see the light of happiness and development.

We again state that although Mr. Karzai has declared that he is not in a position to bring the criminals around him to justice, but we are determined that despite many limitations and being besieged by warlords and their foreign masters, with the support of Afghan people and democratic-minded individuals and groups, we will drag the warlords and criminals of last three decades to law courts and punish them regardless of their religion and ethnic backgrounds.

Considering the above points, the celebration of the International Women’s Day has a different meaning for our women till the auspicious day of emancipation of Afghan women.

[sabrina 1]

55. Have you seen the body parts of babies, women

old people as a result of our drones and bombs? In their OWN countries? What are we doing in these countries killing innocent people? Why are we in Iraq again?

'Innocents die in every war' ~ and the Iraq war was based on lies, it was illegal therefore every slaughtered man, woman and child in that 'war' is murder. That IS evil. We did NOT take the Bush regime down, they ran out of terms of office. When we had the chance, in 2004 to take them down, we did not, even after the revelations of the crimes they committed, the lies, the torture etc. Let's NOT rewrite history so soon after it happened. That was when the world lost faith in this country, when Bush was reelected, by millions of Americans.

If we don't want to be compared with evil regimes, it is simple, don't act like them. The fact is that around the world, including in countries that used to respect the US, we ARE being compared to them and will continue to be until we get out of these wars and start the prosecutions of those who got us into them. Meantime, you're wasting your time trying to draw nuanced distinctions between chopping off body parts and blowing them off in far greater numbers. I don't think the world is interested in those distinctions right now.

[eridani]

60. If you intentionally decide to wage an air war, killing civillians is intentional

That is a known outcome of air wars. Our ideals have nothing whatsoever to do with our empire. To the empire and its benficiaries, not only the Taliban, but most people on earth, including those of us who live inside of it, are just disposable human garbage unless we are making a profit for someone.

[Pavulon]

35. You vote, you kill. Military takes orders from YOU by proxy

the military is commanded by civilians. It is their job to kill people and break stuff. Sometimes the wrong people die. That is sad, but has and will remain part of war. We have a civilian government funding and authorizing this war. The war can be stopped with a pen stroke, by a civilian.

The military did not place itself in Iraq or Afghanistan.

But yep, when it comes time to fight a war I would prefer to be equipped with the most effective system available to kill the other guy. Unless they are all fighting with sticks, technology is your friend.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. Fortunately, I didn't vote to kill.

I don't vote for candidates who advocate killing as a solution.

[Pavulon]

45. Then you did not vote for the current potus

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. I voted for the most progressive, anti-war candidate on the balllot.

Just as I said I would, pre-election.

[timeforpeace]

39. That would be The Religion of Peace™

[Tim01]

4. They have a history of sawing off a prisonsers head with a dull knife, on video.

I'm pretty sure they have no interest in acting like humans whether we torture them or not.


I do totally agree that we should never torture prisoners though. I want us to be the good guys, not the monsters.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

5. +1

Have you ever seen how they treat their own prisoners? These are the same people that will stone a woman to death because she had an affair. How we treat our own prisoners have no bearing on what they do with their own captives.

Yes, as Americans, we should strive to be the good guys, but don't be so naive to think that if the pictures of the incidents in Abu Graib had not been made public, that this kid would stand a chance of survival.

[sam sarrha]

10. they are simply emulating the most perfect person and we are not human. Kafer=filth,.they dont ever

use logic.. there is a list Taboos and a list of permitted

but anything the Prophet did trumps everything, if The Prophet killed Prisoner infidels.. they are blessed if they do the same, in the Muslim invasion's into India alone the historical records report that 80,000,000 were put to the Sword. the children and sell-able women were spared and were taken and sold into slavery, the Prophet said soldiers could the rape the women and hostages till sold.

there is no logic involved. the Talaban are running their operation just like the Prophet did after leaving Mecca with his followers, he ran nearly 80 military attacks in 10 years to finance his followers. they are just war lords using Islam to subjugate the impoverished population. i doubt the area will ever recover.

[shadowknows69]

13. And when the armies of the crusades went to "free the Holy land"

They were doing God's will too.

[sam sarrha]

19. no they were just looting.. it may have started that way.. but when the soldiers left their mildewed

mud huts and saw what the rest of the world was like they looted it.

[sam sarrha]

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http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/01/who-is-allah-videos/

[shadowknows69]

15. And we detain people for life without charge.

Personally, I'd rather die the quicker if messier way.

[Tim01]

16. Are you justifying them sawing off the heads of prisoners? nt

[shadowknows69]

21. Yeah, that's what I'm doing you brainless tool.

[Tim01]

26. Insulting me on the internet. Color me shocked. Do your parents know you are on the computer? nt

[shadowknows69]

29. No, but my wife does and she's laughing at you too

[City Lights]

48. ROFL!

:thumbsup:

[Tim01]

49. World of Warcraft marriage doesn't count in real life.

Enjoy your internet life. The soldier is very very likely to end up dead after being tortured.
It isn't ok no matter what we do. It certainly isn't ok for him and his family who will probably get to watch him be killed on video.
Some of the people we hold as prisoners, people we haven't executed on video, are being released and sent home. As they should.
The soldier will probably have his pieces dumped in the road someplace.

[shadowknows69]

51. Never played the game. Next?

Going on ten years of actual marriage this August.

[bvar22]

52. My wife and I are joining you in laughter.

Hey, we're not as bad as the Taliban radicals.
USA!...USA!...USA!

[sabrina 1]

58. I'm with your wife on this n/t

[Senator]

37. How does one tell a knife is dull from a video?

Just wondering.

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[The Stranger]

66. You're not "pretty sure" of anything.

The U.S. hideously and insidiously hires psychologists to use psychology to formulate the most vile, cruel and unusual punishments conceivable.

And despite the U.S. mass media being complicit in the crimes and the courts refusing to order the release of THOSE videos, rest assured people in other nations know about it.

[choie]

6. if the kidnappers were clever

they would release him alive without torturing him - that's probably the most effective propaganda.

[shadowknows69]

14. True that. That would put a bit of egg on our faces.

[niyad]

8. the number one reason NOT to torture is because it is WRONG, period.

[BlueMTexpat]

9. +1!!!!

:kick:

[sam sarrha]

11. it is even more heinous because ti doesn't work..

[Lorien]

69. Agreed. Only the inhuman torture. nt

[LaurenG]

18. I pray those that have captured him show him compassion and respect

it takes a much bigger person to react with kindness then to torture ones enemies.

I get so angry thinking about what we've done, especially when I think about those country men and woman who STILL support torturing people they are afraid of. The addle brained fanatics and fear mongers have created this ugly world and I think it's time to force their collective fingers off all the controls in the world. May it be so...

[sam sarrha]

22. his fate is sealed in the Koran... nowhere else, that is what rules a Muslims life, and how the

Emom translates it.. of course. they take hostages to get something, but we dont deal with them, so..

[hedgehog]

25. We had a chance to train the Taliban in humane treatment of prisoners

and we blew it. The book Charlie Wilson's War describes the casual atrocities committed against Russian POWs and the laughter this evoked from the CIA handlers. Of course, some would say the Russians deserved the treatment. They kept using air power to kill civilians and destroy villages........

[Stuart G]

31. K and R

[BlooInBloo]

38. Actually, that's the #2 reason. The #1 reason is that it's wrong.

[spanone]

42. #2 reason...#3 reason...#4 reason #5 reason #6 reason......

2. inumane
3. illegal
4. immoral
6. unamerican
...................................................

[Wednesdays]

47. K&R

:kick:

[Blue_In_AK]

50. This young man is based out of Ft. Richardson here in Anchorage.

I hope he is safely returned. Local coverage is here: http://www.adn.com/news/military/story/869478.html

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[mullard12ax7]

71. Darn it, I thought #1 was morality and #2 was it doesn't work.

Turns out fear of revenge is the #1 reason after all. There goes me and my damn conscience again.