Let's put the brakes on Healthcare reform so we can get it right.....

[FlyingSquirrel]

"Senator Nelson is firmly committed to comprehensive health reform this year, and wants to take the time to get this historic legislation right."

Oh. But does anyone remember just how quickly they rammed the initial $700 billion bailout through, while Bush was still lame-duckin' it? Nobody was trying to stall THAT legislation, now were they? Nobody cared to slow THAT down and "get it right", did they? Because MONEY was at stake, specifically THEIR money and that of their corporate buddies.

The only thing that's at stake with Health Care is a few people's lives. Maybe a few million or so. Tens of millions, whatever. Oh, and some more MONEY - the health care executives' money. But this time the money would flow the other way, so we need to stall it! The longer the better, because then some of those millions will already be dead and we won't have to pay for their healthcare.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FUCKING MONEY! EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME!

"So we can get it right." Fucking subhuman slime. Sorry, I couldn't think of a worse thing to call him (and the rest of 'em who are on board to try to delay healthcare reform). But my hands have this strange sensation in them - the sensation you get when you actually truly want to strangle someone till they fucking choke up blood and die on the ground in front of you.

:rant:

P.S. This rant brought to you by the following YoungTurks video:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x338909

[Vinca]

1. Using the figure of 18,000 uninsured deaths a year,

that makes each of the gang of six responsible for 8+ deaths per day as long as they delay reform.

[Coyote_Bandit]

2. I want real health care reform

Not some feel good clusterfuck. To me that means single payer. And while I would much prefer a Democratic Congress and President I've got no intention of voting for any candidate seeking re-election who did not support single payer. Health care reform is my ine in the sand.

Maybe our bought and paid for bastard politicians should slow down so they can get it right. After all, single payer hasn't even been seriously considered as an alternative.

I always have to wonder why someone pushes to sell something in a hurry. Buy it now. It might not be available tomorrow. Or maybe you will figure out before tomorrow that it's not such a good deal. Kind of reminiscent of hucksters and con artists. Buyer beware.

The current proposals will leave millions worse off. They still won't be able to afford health insurance or have access to health care and they may well be facing significant penalties because of it. Those subsidized premiums are worthless to folks who are currently having trouble putting food on the table and keeping a roof over their head. Their portion of that mandated health insurance premium is a luxury they will forego. But, hey, I guess the rest of us can have a clear conscience because we made that meaningless option availoable to them.

[nightrain]

7. I'm also not opposed to a wait, for similar reasons...

Single payer has never been rated by the CBO. These public option proposals have the health insurance extortion corporations gaining millions of new enrollees. It's a massive transfer of funds from us to them. The proposals I have seen are NOT affordable. They also add more complexity to an already fragmented way of providing care, I speak as a healthcare practitioner who has to deal with the multiplicity every day. Personally, I think the proposals coming out of Congress stink. Only Kucinich's amendment, if it ends up in the final bill, gives me any hope for a decent and affordable option in my state.

I'll be damned if I'm going to fork over thousands to some rich extortionist corporation that will only deny and limit care!

[bvar22]

9. So far, the "Public Option" is a Pig in a Poke.

According to a post yesterday:
"The Congressional Budget Office estimates that nine million to 10 million people would enroll in the public plan by 2019."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8533670

ONLY 9 - 10 Million by 2019 ???!!!
And THIS is going to cost $One Trillion Dollars?
This is Failure by Design!

I am in my late 50s, and have been without Health Insurance for 6 years, but I'm NOT willing to blindly jump into this scheme simply because they hang the label Public Option on it.
There is an army working to ram this down our throats before ALL the details have been studied.
Some of them are at DU.

There are some voices I trust. I am willing to proceed cautiously.
The entire plan MUST be made available for everyone to study, and a grace period for feedback BEFORE any voting takes place.
Didn't Obama promise that during the campaign?


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[ibegurpard]

10. Exactly!

This bill is shit and the usual suspects' opposition doesn't make it any less so.

[nightrain]

15. LOL! I love it! :))

[Cleita]

11. I have to agree, otherwise we will get something similar to

the Medicare D prescription drug benefit that was a big bonanza to the drug companies but still puts a lot of medication out of the reach of seniors who live on fixed incomes. I know. I'm one of them. There are two drugs I don't take that I should because I can't afford them. One would slow the advance of an old age disease and the other would cure another degenerative old age disease, but I find them too expensive for my income level and frankly resent having to eat rice and beans so some big PhRMA exec can travel around on a private jet so I don't take them.

[lovelyrita]

3. The other 'blue dog" Nelson is my Senator in Florida.

I have written letters and called his office countless times and I can never get an answer on health care. He is on the Finance Committee and still does not have an opinion on health care? I am so tired of seeing "moderate" Democrats derail legislation because they are spineless. It is sickening.

[AllyCat]

4. Thanks for persisting. He's not spineless, he's just kind of poor

and needs to feed, clothe, house, and plan for the future of his family with those millions he's getting from the health care industrial complex.

Welcome to DU!

[backscatter712]

5. There's only one reason to slow down at this point...

To create momentum to stop it.

Every extra day that the debate continues is another day the lobbyists have that they can spend 1.5 million dollars and continue to pressure congresscritters to block reform.

Every extra day of debate is an extra day of legalized bribery.

[nightrain]

13. no, let's be sure we are getting health CARE, and not just transferring LOTS of $$ to those Repug

extortion insurance corporations!

Think about it! You think those rich CEOs and upper management people are Democrats?!! These bills look like they are going to further enrich these bastards.

Let's get single payer in!

[FormerDittoHead]

16. Wow. We have a problem, and everyone's right here.

On the one hand, per the OP, with the input that the powers-that-be have put into this thing, WHO KNOWS the trojan horses or "undocumented features" that aren't being talked about at this time.

HOWEVER, YOU'RE RIGHT TOO! The more time we give THEM, the more OPPORTUNITY we give them to screw with it.

[Freddie Stubbs]

6. So, you are saying that since they did such a shitty job with TARP, they should do the same thing

with health care?

[pampango]

8. "Good" meet the enemies "perfection" and "Blue Dogs/Republicans".

Perhaps the enemies will unite to win this attempt at health care reform; each thinking that the next attempt will be more suitable to their goals.

[bvar22]

12. Most of the time,

..it is The BAD that is the enemy of The Good.

NOW we have Your Children’s Money too !!!
And there is not a fucking thing you can do about it!
Now THIS is “Bi-Partisanship” !
Better get used to it!!
Hahahahahahahahaha!



Looking at the track record of Congress over the last 30 years, I think it is wise to be cautious here. I want to see ALL the details before diving into this pool simply because they hang the label "Public Option" on it.

I'm in my late 50s, and have been without Health Insurance for 6 years,
but I want to see ALL the Fine Print before signing on, especially when we are considering MANDATED purchase.

So far, the "Pubic Option" is NOT defined.
Are you willing to blindly support it?

[nightrain]

14. that's a really tired wornout statement that negates efforts by sincere progressive people..

The object is to get health CARE to the people, not to transfer gobs of money to the already filthy rich health insurance extortion corporations.