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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:43 PM Original message |
What is the purpose of grief in the animal kingdom? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Franklin meets zoology. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. Birds I have noticed are very emotional. I once witnessed a pigeon hit and |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. JUVENILE robin, you said. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Hillary's It Takes A Village meets zoology. n/t |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
6. I know that animals grieve |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Warm blood is the common characteristic of care? n/t |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Biologists draw the line there |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
34. People ARE ANIMALS |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 05:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
60. ...something we animals too often forget, |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:26 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. yep. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
7. I think it's both funny and sad how little is thought of animals in general. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I think of them all the time. Right now, I'm thinking about which one I wanna eat next. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. So clever. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I love you too! |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Like the semi-interested squirrel who peed. n/t |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
45. Well then... |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the tone of the OP was odd |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. It was a moment of enlightenment from my prior ignorance. Light bulb moment. n/t |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
8. There has been very little scientific research on non-human consciousness... |
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Buck Laser (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Actually there's a field of study for that. It's called ethology. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Where do we get the idea that we are apart from "nature"? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Mainly from Aristotle. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #31 |
65. It's funny. Just another example of Aristotle having something to say on just |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. Alex the parrot could also speak words. |
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shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 05:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
59. is he a certified therapy dog? How does that process work? |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. beautiful OP. thank-you. how sad. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
12. Were any crows around? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. No crows, but I fear for her safety and the justice which may very well await. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
57. Around our house, it's the crows and owls who are snatching young birds out of nests. |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
17. As to why the wrens care ... |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
18. Your story certainly destroys the myth by some that animals are 'dumb'. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
20. Does grief have a purpose? |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
21. I don't think you were seeing grief. Instead the father was watching |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Good call, per dad's offer of a cricket. Maybe I'm anthropomorphizing? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Yes. And it's likely that our "grief" was meant for the same purpose -- |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
23. I saw it by the side of the road once. |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
24. All higher species have a complex emotionally responsive |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
28. same as humans...we're just animals that drive. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I don't know whose idea this is but he said, we're just animals that tell stories. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. That's a better way of putting it, over the driving bit. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
29. I think its impossible for us to know what animals experience. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
33. Probably a warning. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. My choices were father robin or mother robin. But he was male. n/t |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
36. I got an idea. Keep the cat indoors and you won't have to ponder these things. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. The birds wish to express their thanks for your communicating their thoughts perfectly. n/t |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
37. It could be the brain's way of expunging stress. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Dragna and Capone caused a lot of stress, eh? n/t |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Capone, yes. Dragna, not so much. :) |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. what a great answer. |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I hope this isn't sarcasm. :) |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Not at all, I am still comtemplating it. Isn't all of Life the building up and discharge of one |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. From the Big Bang forward, 'twas ever thus. n/t |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
41. Kitty bells save lives |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Thanks! Maddie wears a bell and is confined to the back yard. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
44. The bird's brain is the size of a pea... I think you're anthropomorphizing.... |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Your right. It's brain should be proportional to it's body. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
53. Squirrels and birds vie for space and food. He was marking territory. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. You're saying the squirrel peed his furry pants. It was fear. n/t |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:05 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I said he was marking his territory. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. OK but they were displaying their emotions to me. n/t |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Elephants, whales and some primates clearly show grief. |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
61. What is the purpose of grief in the human "kingdom"? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Who are we to ask the question? I'd say we are the curious ones. |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. The arrogant ones. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
62. thats part of what turned me vegan |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
64. Acceptance of death ... |
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