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S_E_Fudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 11:45 AM
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"The Other Great Depression" -

Not sure what to make of this...that this person works for an outfit that dispenses stock advice is a little scary!

Opinions?





Amid all this chatter of whether our economy is in for another Great Depression, whether we face fast recovery or 10 years of gloom, it's occurred to me that the really great depression may be that this stuff is just ... depressing.
The fourth step in the Kubler-Ross model of the stages of grief is "depression," and current economic events are enough to induce a grief reaction. Maybe it wouldn't be too much to ask that, if the government stimulus plans have to exist, they include a company like Merck (NYSE: MRK) spiking the water with antidepressants. Hey guys, if you want us to stimulate the economy, give us all a reason to get out of bed in the morning!

Of course, I'm kidding. I don't believe in government intervention and certainly don't want them amping our entire population up on mood enhancers. But this stuff is rough, since a lot of it seems to point to the death of the things that are good about our economic system, not to mention people's sense of accountability and incentive for achievement.



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Perhaps we've entered not a bubble era, but an era where any degree of incompetence or failure is not just ignored, but amply rewarded. The simple psychological idea that there should be rewards and punishments for doing the right thing or not is being ignored. And folks, that's not only a depression in the true sense of the word, but it just won't work.

A big case of the blahs

I used to be so spunky, so sassy! But here lately, I seem to have lost the will.

It's been a while since I accused just about everybody of a collective (metaphorical) pants-soiling. Or railed about how the government's responses to our crisis meant so many hard-working people who always did the right thing were going to be sucker punched. Or pointed out that as much as so many people are excited about our new leadership, they shouldn't forget the possibility of hyperinflation or the idea that our deficit is frightening, our government might be insolvent, and maybe Obamanomics had to be stopped. And it's been a long time since I've attempted to terrify and amuse by talking about the zombie apocalypse that could consume our economy.

I'd like to think people are learning from our mess, but the fact that General Motors is still trading at over a buck a share even though it has gone bankrupt (granted, it's an odd interpretation of the concept, given the whole government handout component), tells me that people are not yet much the wiser.

A culture poisoned with disincentives

Although I railed about some of these things months ago, more and more experts now seem to be admitting concerns about serious inflation, even hyperinflation, as well as questions about our government's debt burden as tax revenues shrink precipitously. It's also becoming clear that the government's expectations for a recovery this year seem awfully overly optimistic.

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It's time to snap out of it, ditch the depression, and avoid the resigned acceptance. We need to realize that our economy needs to correct from the artificiality of a massive bubble, that government intervention is unsustainable and maybe even harmful, and that what we need most of all is to get our entrepreneurial spirit back.

I hope many of the unemployed folks out there look to bulk up their skills, maybe even start new and exciting ventures of their own, birthing companies that address market needs and will in turn become solid job creators. And we investors must ditch the speculative mind-sets that helped blow up the residential real estate bubble and invest in the forward-looking opportunities, searching for the best companies that can succeed for the long term, the ones that are well managed and rely on true competitive advantage, not government aid.

Business and entrepreneurship, after all, are what provide real growth and tax revenues for government to run on in the first place. Government creates nothing. Given the way things are going, this could be the end of the long delusion or the beginning of the biggest and most dangerous delusion of all.

Things may be depressing, but I think it's time to wake up.


http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/06/22/the-other-great-depression.aspx








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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 11:54 AM
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1. "A culture poisoned with disincentives " says it all
Every time the rich get a tax break, all taxes and fees at the bottom go up, the infrastructure gets neglected, seed money for new enterprise dries up. Money that should be moving through the system is hoarded, and only money that is moving is doing anything useful.

Inflation is another "tax," making any savings lose value as time goes on. People who think they have good pension plans will find them woefully inadequate within 10 years after retirement. The same goes for annuities.

Wages have been depressed since the 1970s and have fallen 6% in absolute terms over the last dreadful 8 years.

That this author has noticed another type of depression among working people is nothing new and wondrous. People at the bottom have been living lives of increasing desperation since St. Ronnie slid into office.

The Kubler-Ross stages might not be accurate when applied to the economy, though. After depression, acceptance isn't the next stage.

Anger is.
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S_E_Fudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 11:56 AM
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2. Her solution seems to be a libertarian one though...
Edited on Tue Jun-23-09 11:56 AM by S_E_Fudd
How will that solve the problem of money flowing to the top?

Seems like she is pining for the gilded age
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 11:59 AM
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3. Moron LIVES in a bubble. nt
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S_E_Fudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 12:11 PM
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4. Not sure I would classify them as a moron...
But someone who clearly has not had to deal with the consequences of a massive economic drop...one that would be made much worse if we did what they are suggesting...

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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 12:14 PM
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5. "Government creates nothing" ????
That statement right there shows how stupid that whole article is.

Nothing? How about the National Highway system, police and fire coverage, libraries, the public school system, the CDC, the National Weather Service, the Armed Forces, etc. etc.

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S_E_Fudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 12:17 PM
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6. Yeah...
:)
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 12:44 PM
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7. Legalize Pot. That Will Get the Economy Out of the Dumps
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S_E_Fudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 12:50 PM
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8. That I'm willing to bet she would agree with...nt
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