"Christian" book burners want "compensatory damages" for being "exposed" to heathen book at library

[Political Tiger]

Life grows more interesting by the day for officials of the West Bend (Wis.) Community Memorial Library. After four months of grappling with an evolving challenge to young-adult materials deemed sexually explicit by area residents Ginny and Jim Maziarka, library trustees voted 9–0 June 2 to maintain the young-adult collection as is “without removing, relocating, labeling, or otherwise restricting access” to any titles. However, board members were made cognizant that same evening that another material challenge waited in the wings: Milwaukee-area citizen Robert C. Braun of the Christian Civil Liberties Union (CCLU) distributed at the meeting copies of a claim for damages he and three other plaintiffs filed April 28 with the city; the complainants seek the right to publicly burn or destroy by another means the library’s copy of Baby Be-Bop. The claim also demands $120,000 in compensatory damages ($30,000 per plaintiff) for being exposed to the book in a library display, and the resignation of West Bend Mayor Kristine Deiss for “allow this book to be viewed by the public.”

http://www.ala.org/ala/alonline/currentnews/newsarchive/2009/june2009/westbendbabybebop060309.cfm

[SidDithers]

1. Idiots...

But why "Christian" in quotes? They might be idiot Christians, but they're still Christians.

Sid

[Political Tiger]

11. CINO*

* Christian In Name Only.

[WeDidIt]

23. No such thing

They're Christians.

[SidDithers]

25. +1...

glad somebody gets it :hi:

Sid

[GaYellowDawg]

31. -1

Just because someone calls themselves something doesn't mean they're the genuine article. I could call myself a Shinto Buddhist, but that wouldn't make me one. Same principle.

[SidDithers]

34. Do Shinto Buddhists like their porridge with or without sugar?...nt

Sid

[AsahinaKimi]

112. We dont eat porridge...

However, if your talking breakfast, lets try Natto gohan with eggs (Eggs/bean/rice). Oishkatta desuyo!! Yummy!!

Yoku kawatta asagohan dato iware masuga*
*People say its kind of a strange breakfast...

[Political Tiger]

47. Exactly! Is Osama bin Laden a true Muslim because he says he is?

Was Jerry Falwell a Christian based just on his word or did his actions tend to prove otherwise?

[WeDidIt]

82. "No true Scotsman" fallacy. n/t

[havocmom]

37. BS

There are plenty of CINOs. Just look to the GOP pols who have all those 'family values'. They may quack like a duck, but their method of locomotion is more like a shark.

And CINOs are not just limited to politicians.

[WeDidIt]

83. "No true Scotsman" fallacy n/t

[Terran]

44. They're Christianists

They don't follow the teachings of Christ (clearly), ergo...they are not Christians. Actions, not words.

[MindPilot]

54. Then the reverse would have to be true.

If an Atheist is charitable, civic-minded, hardworking, honest, non-violent, etc does that make them Christian? If a Wiccan were to blow themselves up at synagogue, would they automatically become a Muslim extremist?

You are what you say you are, and if you are a lousy one that reflects on the whole group. Sorry, but that is the way the world works.

[Terran]

73. Lest you think I'm stupid...

I'm well aware I'm speaking of ideals and not strict reality here...although your reliance on labels only goes so far. A person who calls themselves a Christian and who, say, commits mass murder probably will lose their groupthink acceptance as a "Christian"; just as these dimwits are bordering on dubiousness by the standards of most 'real' Christians.

And given your example of the atheist, well, some Christians might well embrace such a person, much to their chagrin, as a perhaps 'unconscious' follower of Christ. The atheist wouldn't like it, no doubt, but some Christians could easily see it that way (the more liberal ones, anyway). There are broader views of behavior in the world than your little argument admits.

[Political Tiger]

45. Is Fred "God Hates Fags" Phelps a Christian? He says he is.

If someone calls himself a Christian but completely ignores the teachings of Christ he's still Christian just because he says so?

These people are Christians(?):

[SidDithers]

52. Who gets to decide which Christians are the True Christians?...

Arguing that one completely subjective interpretation is more valid than another completely subjective interpretation is kinda ridiculous. One interpretation might be "nicer" than another, but that doesn't make it any less subjective.

As far as I'm concerned, they're all Christians. Christians like Phelps and Falwell are bigoted, racist, asshole Christians. Christians like Eugene Robinson and Dr. King are wonderful, loving, principled Christians. By metaphorically "casting out" the CINOs, the implication is that Christians are good and kind. And we both know that that isn't always true. Christians are no better, and no worse, than society as a whole.

Sid

[Political Tiger]

58. I understand what you are saying

but in my opinion, and it's just my opinion, just because someone claims to be something doesn't necessarily make it true. Of course, just because I say someone is not a Christian when they claim to be (but don't act like one) doesn't mean I am right either. I mean, it's not like there's some card or something people can carry around to confirm if they are or are not really a Christian, but in my opinion, their deeds are the best indication as to their true belief in their stated faith.

IOW: Actions speak louder than words.

In the end, I think God, if there is one, will have the final say, but in the meantime, I don't see why the issue can't be debated.

[TransitJohn]

75. I always thought

that actions had very little to do with being a Christian...it's all about accepting Jesus as your salvation, right? And that's open to rapists and murderers, isn't it?

[BR_Parkway]

90. Betty Bowers - Landover Baptist

http://www.landoverbaptist.org

So it has been written

[bobthedrummer]

93. Jesus Christ, the Son of God decides that ultimately-regardless of all else, amen.

[WeDidIt]

84. Again, the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. n/t

[spoony]

66. If everything is based on self-identification

then there's no such thing as a DINO, either.

[Evoman]

74. I actually agree with you. I don't believe in "DINO"s. I think of them as asshole Democrats.

The Democratic party is not in itself good, nor is anyone who calls themselves a Democrat a good person. Although, the argument could be made that a Democratic politician actually has to be allowed to run by the party, i.e. endorsed, so in fact the politician could lie about his positions and not be a "true Democrat"....I think it's bullshit though.

[spoony]

108. That's fair enough.

I can buy into that.

[WeDidIt]

86. Agreed n/t

[roguevalley]

96. no they aren't. they are using christianity to justify their crazy.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Hey if there were other 'Christians' speaking out against these

book burning hate mongers, you might have a worthy point. Thus far, it seems to be the heathen who are standing up for the book, the author, the library and the freedom to read.
So where are the 'Faith Based' counters to the book burners? I see none, which is always the case. All the quotation marks in the world will not change the fact that when Fred Phelps stands up, he is the only Christian standing. When the book burners burn, they do so unanswered by the 'real Christians' which makes me think they are no more real that the rest. They see others slandered in the name of their faith and they post a bit on DU to say 'you guys think we are all like that' or 'those are not 'real Christians'. Lame.
The faith itself states that we can only judge the tree by the fruit it bears. The actions. Results, the harvest.

[GaYellowDawg]

32. I'm Christian, and I speak out against freaks like those every chance I get.

So there.

[Dogtown]

51. WE CAN"T HEAR YOU!

I guess they try harder, we hear them fine.

Organize.

[spoony]

62. Maybe you aren't really listening.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8445654

People hear what they want to hear; what confirms their way of thinking.

[Dogtown]

89. Lets not do this , spoony

Your current pretence is typical. Those are all in-house publications. Preaching to your own flock isn't going to alter outside opinion.

I'm not interested in quarreling with you again, because you get frustrated and you'll resort to name-calling.


Enjoy the thread, if you get any takers, but don't bother addressing me again.

Please.

[glitch]

68. There are liberal Christians who speak out against these people. You won't see them on corporate

media but they put out press releases and make public denunciations. Your pretty much have to read their publications and websites to see them though, the corporate media wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.

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[Dogtown]

49. Are you familiar with the "Skinhead Movement"?

Your insults and personal attacks are very telling. *Not* particularly "Chistian"...

The Skinhead Movement began in the late 60's/early 70's on the Liverpool docks. Immigrant workers and Anglo laborers bonded over the issues concerning them; ie, labor/management relations, music, dress, and the culture of the labor-class.

They gradually assimilated certain values in attire and appearance. Most universal was their appreciation of "Ska" music. (Be patient, I'm getting there.)

"Ska", if you're unfamiliar, was a music style originating with the black immigrant workers from England's Caribbean Islands. Yes, the white working class kids were bonding with, and supporting, their immigrant brothers and sisters.

The phenomenon was eventually exported to the US.

Somewhere along the way, a shift developed. "Hammer Skins" began to claim the movement, eventually displacing the image of labor-unity. Skinhead became synonymous with xenophobia. Non-racist skinheads formed a coalition to counter the growing image of the racists.

They could not, however, stop the growth of violent groups of racists adopting the skinhead "look".

Today, "Skinheads" are universally viewed as racist homophones. When we see a man dressed in jeans, boots, and suspenders, with a cropped or shaved head, we know his beliefs.

Here's the point, if you haven't already figured it out: "the same thing is happening to the Christian image."

It's the responsibility of all "good" Christians to take back their image. If your "faith" has grown to include large numbers of loud, hateful people who are tarring your image, YOU (if you are one who identifies as a "Christian") YOU are responsible for not drowning out the "bad" Christians. Ultimately, just as the original skins, I feel you'll lose. Eventually, all non-Christians may very likely see your faith as hateful, spiteful and bigoted.

If you don't like that, do something about it. Vilifying me on a message board will *not* clean up that image. Perhaps you should look to the leaders of your sect of Christianity to speak out against the bad elements within your faith.

If I were Christian, I'd be offended at them, the "bad" Christians. Not at the outsider who only sees the hatred and political agenda of Christians. The ones who are actually harming you.

If I believed in a just and benevolent God, that would have to be the focus of my life and not a convenient Sunday morning social-club. If I believed in something as obviously important as "God", I couldn't tolerate the blasphemy that those people represent. THEY are your enemy, but you revile *me* for being shocked at the message I hear.

Make sure that the rest of the world sees them for what they are. Flinging filth at me only reinforces the message they are spewing so loudly, so universally.



How did you help your cause today?


I can't hear any Christians denouncing them. If they are, they need to put it somewhere *other* than the parrish news-letter, they need to buy up as many TV stations as the "other" Christians. They need to make LOUD media-releases decrying the "bad" elements.

There should be 100 protesters for each single Phelps protester. There should be "Operation Protection" picketers at every clinic where the anti-choice "Operation Rescue" shows up.

BUT, that doesn't happen. Instead, I get attacked for pointing out that the only message getting out there about Christians is that they hate, disrespect the dead, despise our sectarian government and our right not to be harassed by them.

IS THEIR FAITH STRONGER THAN YOURS? If not, why can't we hear your "good Christian" message?

Perhaps it's because you're so busy hating me that you haven't viewed your own reflection recently.

"Alert" on me if you think that my honest opinion should be stifled.

I'll not "alert" on your attack. You've illustrated my point with abundantly clarity, with your *angry* Christianity. Thanks for the assist.

[RaleighNCDUer]

60. Well said.

If those who stand for christian ideals actually took a stand against those who pervert them, they might have a leg to stand on.

Jim Jones war responsible for the murder of 900+ people, because the faith establishment did not condemn his excesses before the group left California.

David Koresh took a splinter of a fundamentalist sect and turned it into an apocalyptic cult, culminating in 80+ dead, because mainstream christians would not condemn the behavior of the cult, seeing only similarities rather than perversions.

Every christian who does not counter-protest a Phelps protest, is giving defacto support to Phelps.

It is the same mechanism by which the extreme minority of backward looking Wahabbists have seized the public perception of the billion Muslims of the world - the 950 million non-Wahabbists did not disavow the actions and hatreds of the 50 million.

[Dogtown]

116. Tx for the prop, RaleighNCDUer

So telling that the apologists in this thread take this stance as an "attack" on Christianity, when all we want is for them to do some housekeeping.

[spoony]

65. Again, your bigotry is clogging your senses.

Liberal Christians do condemn these nuts. I posted links to our groups.

But that's quite aside from the fact that we don't OWE YOU ANYTHING. We are not obliged to defend our existences to you, or to prove to you that we aren't terrible people. Seriously, you sound like a fucking RWer saying that all Muslims are terrorists because THEY aren't PERSONALLY satisfied that enough Muslims have condemned terrorism. NO NUMBER would be sufficient to quash their pre-existing bigotry, and the same thing applies to you. You'd just come up with another excuse for your venomous chip on your shoulder.

[Dogtown]

80. Never said you owed me

You owe it to yourself. Understand this, I don't care if you reclaim your faith or not. I maintain that the vocal Christians have colored perception of your creed. If you're satisfied with that, then be happy. You have to understand that if we hear nothing altering the perception, you'll be judged by your silence, and the silence indicates your approval.

Whatever you're doing, it is not enough. There are no counter protests dogging Phelps. Operation Rescue speaks for Christianity with impunity.

Still you call me bigot, but I've only judged you on your (relative) silence.
Your ad hominem attack on me lack weight. You wished to be judged on what I cannot know. No more than what I know about non-radical Muslims. Yes, they suffer from the same lack of positive public relations as your faith. So, what should they do? Maintain that it's not their responsibility and let the murderous fanatics speak for them? Should they sit in complacency and name everyone 'bigot' for believing those who claim to speak for Allah, and claim He requires bloodshed?

Again, your post makes my point for me. Do you intend to let your faith get 'jacked by radical Christians, or will you agitate your leaders to speak out against the blasphemy in voices we can hear over the shots of Operation Rescue or the shrill rage of the Phelps sect?

You can continue to call me names, but you only reinforce the stereotype. I honestly don't understand where you get the idea that I have a chip on my shoulder. The saying stems from the old-timey dare to knock the chip off. I have not used any derogatory terms against you or Christianity. I haven't picked a fight. I've only "challenged" you to take the podium away from the 700 Club. I've merely pointed out that the old game of "comparing out" isn't effective. You claim that "they" (the book-burners) aren't the "real" Christians. They say the same of you, claiming you're apostate for supporting baby-killers and such. And they use the very same book of authority as you. I cannot say if they are the "real" Christians or you are.

I have to tell you that your *actually* venomous remarks about me haven't convinced me that you're any different. Your anger with me is obvious. Are all Christians this angry?

You insinuate that my beliefs are mine alone, but there are many more non-Christians in the world than there are Christians. If you are comfortable with the rest of the world judging Christianity on the Falwells et al, then you're absolutely right. You have nothing to prove to anyone, so let Fred Phelps hog the spotlight.

[spoony]

98. No, of course calling us all the same as these book-burners

isn't derogatory, not at all! :eyes: What I really enjoy is how you attack all Christians, including liberal ones, then you act shocked when they reply strongly. Then you mischaracterise them as "angry" etc. If you act like a bigot who judges an entire group negatively, you'll be called a bigot. That's simple observation, not anger.

Oh, and if calling out all liberal Christians here as equals of the nimrods in the OP ISN'T "the old-timey dare to knock the chip off" then it means you're warped enough to think that no one would object to such broad-brush treatment.

[Dogtown]

99. I've asked you, with more politness than you deserve

not to address me again.

This rudeness and your obvious rage is why. I will not indulge you in your personal squabbling.

You may post more vitriol, but I won't be responding again.



I'll be happy to respond to reasonable posters, though, so don't let snoopy stifle us.

[spoony]

101. Then put me on ignore.

Because I will respond to whom I want when I want. And the only reason you continue on with this paper-thin charade of "oh he's mean to me" is that you have no ability to counter what I have said. Especially when I showed you proof of liberal Christians' dedication to countering the RWers amongst us. By the way, you seem to suggest we have some history. I don't know who you are. If I've run across you before, did you run away in a cloud of deflections like you just did? Oh that's right, you won't be answering.

[crickets]

78. *Excellent* post. -nt

[Dogtown]

79. Thank you, crickets!

:hi:

[newspeak]

103. I'm glad you mentioned the skinhead movement

because my son in the eighties related to that movement. In California they started wearing different colored shoelaces in their doc martens to determine what group you were in. He was a SHARP, against racism and I guess there had been clashes with the racist SHs. But I remember laughing at the time thinking they identify themselves by shoelaces?

Your post reminded me of those days and there was quite a distinction between those groups. I guess the copycat racists are still into the eighties thing.

[Dogtown]

115. Yes, last I heard

I believe red laces signify having attacked or killed a minority person.

Less of a commitment than the teardrop tat...

[alarimer]

53. I agree.

"Christians" like these book burners are delusional.

The "good" Christians are nowhere around while the "bad" Christians are doing this sort of thing. Religion is poison.

[Dogtown]

55. I can only think

that the "other" Christians have greater faith, since the "good" ones allow the misdeeds to go unchallenged.

[Political Tiger]

59. There are more good Christians than not.

As for "you all look the same," well, I am not a follower of any religious organization. I am not a Christian although I believe in most of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

But I believe the vast majority of Christians are good people, which is why I made the distinction between them and CINOs.

[Badgerman]

64. Personally I wouldn't oppose an updated Roman Circus approach to these scum. n/t

[Seldona]

94. No, it's the 'Not A True Scottsman' fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

[sendero]

97. No...

... about 60% of the people who say they are Christians simply are not.

I can say I'm a dolphin but that doesn't make it so.

[ima_sinnic]

105. what the hell is a Christian, anyway? someone who "believes in" "Christ"?

who give a fuck whether they're "Christians" or Christians? sheesh. they're fucking MORONS, that's what they are.

[ccharles000]

2. putrid little people

[billyoc]

3. Throw them all to the lions.

[Heidi]

4. Interesting that these hate peddlers are worried about Baby-Be-Bop inciting violence,

when their own hate mongering recently led to the assassination of Dr. Tiller. Cry me a river, fundies.

[rurallib]

22. Willing to bet that Hannity, Coulter and especially O'Reilly's

book for kids are on their shelves.

[LuvNewcastle]

5. They're suing for the right to burn a library book?

Why not the whole library?

[havocmom]

40. I have heard that option mentioned in some communities

so don't give any others the idea. Some who profess to be Christians are zealots with a much different religion: they are control freaks and some are violent.

[LeftHander]

6. In Wisconsin when people go batty they go all out....

I don't know what it is is...but there are some really weird crazies in this state.

[mysuzuki2]

27. It's all the fried food.

[HillWilliam]

35. Let the south-bashing begin!

Oh, wait...

[Kalyke]

72. LOL.

:thumbsup:

[undeterred]

100. Its the Sensenbrenner effect.

This is in his district.

[Ilsa]

7. They can just go to Xtian book stores and libraries if they are that sensitive

to mainstream or secular materials.

If they don't want to be exposed to other ideas, then they better stay home or at church!

[saltpoint]

8. Centuries from now, archeologists will discover in

a routine dig near West Bend, Wisconsin a tattered copy of BABY BE-BOP stuffed away by a visionary librarian in the perilous days after far-Right Christian nutbags burned West Bend Mayor Kristine Deiss at the stake.

A religion will be born.

[shadowknows69]

13. Lol, you rock Saltpoint!

[saltpoint]

14. Hey there, shadowknows69. Good morning.

Happy summertime, too.

[shadowknows69]

18. Indeed. Summer solstice weekend and I nearly forgot due to being locked on Iran all weekend.

Bright blessings to you, no matter your belief.

Namaste.

[MissHoneychurch]

9. OMG

how much hate can there be? I thought we had those book burnings already.

Just a reminder ....



You know, you don't HAVE to read those books. But to decide what is in the library or not .... FUCK YOU!!!

[tanyev]

10. Oh, dear. Bless their poor little hyper-sensitive hearts.

I wonder how many times they went back looking for that book and were offended all over again when they found it. Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't just steal it or check it out and never return it. Why, it's almost as if they wanted a huge public spectacle and all the attention that comes with it.

[struggle4progress]

110. ... the CCLU .. is based in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and consists of four right-wing, fundamentalist

Christians who claim they were personally harmed because a copy of 'Baby Be-Bop' is in the West Bend library, 35 miles northwest of Milwaukee ...
Wednesday, Jun 17
Christian Group Urges Burning of Francesca Lia Block Book
http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/authors/christian_group_urges_burning_of_francesca_lia_block_book_119166.asp

[Atman]

12. Maybe if they'd actually spent time in the library's History section...

...they'd have a clue about why we don't burn books in this country just because some stupid people get offended. Fucking morans.

.

[shadowknows69]

15. Maybe they'd realize their religion was created as an amalgam of various heathen sects and myths

[glitch]

70. Shhhh! Very naughty to bring that up.

Did you read The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold by Acharya S.?

[lunatica]

16. The book just became an instant bestseller! n/t

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. I say pay 'em if they'll plug their reproductive organs

Who the hell wants more of these dopes in future generations?

[zbdent]

19. weren't these the people who demanded that "losers" of frivolous lawsuits

be charged the winners' court costs?

[raccoon]

20. GREAT POST!!!! nt

[tj2001]

21. Ginny Maziarka says her definition of pornography is "any sexual activity

that is spelled out explicitly."
http://www.jsonline.com/news/ozwash/42239872.html

[MindPilot]

38. So the Bible is exempt?

Because it has some pretty explicit naughty bits.

[struggle4progress]

109. ... Baby Be-Bop a short book, and took me a couple of hours to read. For the record,

Bit is not sexually explicit. This probably does not come as a surprise to anybody. It is, however, a beautifully written, magical-realism take on a young man coming to terms with his homosexuality and emerging from the initial confusion in one piece and with the love of his family intact ...

June 20th, 2009 by BSCreview Guest | Filed under Book, Column.
Burning Baby Be-Bop
by Sarah Zettel
http://www.bscreview.com/2009/06/things-that-dont-go-away-burning-baby-be-bop-by-sarah-zettel/

[moggie]

24. Such a grand name

"Christian Civil Liberties Union": is that a real organisation with a history of defending a range of Christian liberty cases, or just a lone homophobe who wants less freedom for some groups of people?

[struggle4progress]

111. See #110: it's four people who live in another town 35 miles away

[moggie]

114. I don't think they were formed for this case, though

Here's a blog comment which suggests that this CCLU has been around for some years:

No hoax: Robert C. Braun's CCLU has been around the Milwaukee area since at least 1990. It's an artifact of the early '90s culture wars that apparently has come back with a Democrat in the White House (kind of like assaults on abortion providers — there's nothing about Braun's CCLU in Google News from 1997-2007). If you search his name on Google News, you'll find articles from the early '90s about his petitioning to keep Christian symbols on government seals, and petitioning to have cities withdraw proclamations regard Pride Week.

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2009/06/16/open-thread-breasts-and-hair-covered-and-un/#comment-365946

Whether the other three have always been members, or whether Braun has just recruited them for this latest crusade, I don't know. The organisation doesn't appear to have a web presence.

[MagickMuffin]

26. Are they going to include the bible in their book burning?!?!?!?

There seems to be a lot of subversive material in that there bible. Perhaps they could milk some money out of their churches for the content in the bible.

I'm not familiar with Baby BeBop :shrug:

[hayu_lol]

30. Seems like others of us who do not subscribe to...

this group's collective madness ought to be suing libraries for all the Christian books/tapes/videos etc. that end up on library shelves.

Two can fight easily at this game.

Throw out or burn the LaHaye books.

[no_hypocrisy]

46. Only the Song of Solomon and the Beatitudes.

[spoony]

67. Indeed, they've never had much use for those.

Love and mercy aren't too high on their priorities.

[intheflow]

76. Naw, there's other stuff in Hebrew bible

that would curl your toes. Like Lot sleeping with his daughters, or Amnon raping his sister Thomar. Very explicit passages there!

[jmowreader]

29. I can be offended too

I've never been to West Bend, Wisconsin (Green Bay is the only Wisconsin city I've visited so far), but it certainly seems to me that if West Bend's Christian population can get so upset and stressed by the presence of one copy of Bay Be-Bop in the West Bend library, the following titles are causing me distress and pain, and I hereby demand the right to burn them all:

Your Best Life Now by Joel Osteen
Revelation Revealed by Jack Van Impe
How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must) by Ann Coulter
Deliver Us from Evil by Sean Hannity
The Savage Nation by Michael Savage
See, I Told You So by Rush Limbaugh
First Reader by Phyllis Schlafly (yes, THE Phyllis Schlafly wrote a book to teach reading to children)
The Supremacists by Phyllis Schlafly
Kids are Americans Too by Bill O'Reilly
Who's Looking Out For You? by Bill O'Reilly
Any book published by Regnery

Thinking out loud again: I can't really demand these books be burned. I'm a liberal! I respect and encourage freedom of speech! I'll allow these treasonous tomes to remain in the library under two conditions: (1) that all these books--including the two children's books--be shelved on a top shelf in the Adult Fiction stacks so anyone who really wants to read them will have to go out of their way to get them, and (2) twelve pizzas, trays of assorted hors d'oeuvres and crudities, a big bucket of iced sodas, West Bend Mayor Kristine Deiss and the entire West Bend city government, including the complete paid and volunteer staff of the West Bend library system, be delivered to a place of my choosing...this Christian Civil Liberties Union bullshit's probably got them stressed out so bad, I figure they need a few hours to let their hair down. As for the food bill...deliver that to the Christian Civil Liberties Union.

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. Hey, I know a book, a best seller, too, where a homeless guy who

just lost his wife gets drunk and fucks his daughters.

Let's burn THAT book.

[havocmom]

41. ::choke::

:spray:

[pleah]

69. ....

:yourock:

[HillWilliam]

42. And what's with wackogelicals and sex?

If sex is so dirty, awful, nasty, and icky, why do they seem to have so much of it? Have you ever seen a wackogelical family that didn't have eleventeen loudmouthed, ill-behaved, squalling younguns, running around and into everything? Wackogelicals breed like rabbits, yet they want to squelch on everyone else.

Look, I realize they're a miserable bunch of people, but the misery they have is the misery they bring on themselves. There's no need for them to push it on the rest of us. The biggest problem I have with the wackogelicals and their misery is that they're not satisfied until everyone around them is as miserable as they are.

I'm not dancin'.

[MindPilot]

43. I want compensatory damages from the Catholic church...

they made it difficult for me to get laid.

[Ikonoklast]

50. You blame being a bad dancer on the Catholic Church?

Even a homely Catholic kid gets laid if he has some moves.

I had White Guy Syndrome. Looked like I was having a seizure on the dance floor.

Had nothing to do with having no 'game', I'm sure of it.





That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[MindPilot]

57. Naw, just the guilt and shame.

Looking like an epileptic on meth during Born To be Wild is a whole 'nother set of issues.

[BolivarianHero]

48. Wow...

I thought this was the Onion till I saw the ALA link.

[pipi_k]

56. I demand compensatory damages for being exposed to their stupidity

in the past, and compensation for any future encounters with their idiocy.

[mtnester]

81. There is not enough money in the WORLD

to compensate you for that

[notadmblnd]

61. Did some body sit on these zealots and force them to read it?

If I remember correctly, you actually have to open the cover of a book to get to the story inside.

[struggle4progress]

71. They actually didn't read it. They were traumatized by the mere display of the book.

[Joanne98]

63. I want to be compensated for being exposed to terrorists!

[starroute]

77. Amazon reviews of this offensively intolerable book

Sure sounds like there's a lot there to be traumatized by. :eyes:

http://www.amazon.com/Baby-Be-Bop-Weetzie-Francesca-Block/dp/0064471764

From Publishers Weekly
Embroidering her prose with lushly romantic imagery, Block returns to the world of Weetzie Bat for this keenly felt story. A prequel of sorts to Weetzie Bat, the novel opens while Weetzie's best friend Dirk is still a child, lying on his mat at naptime. "Dirk had known it since he could remember"-known, that is, that he is gay. Tenderly raised by Grandma Fifi, famous for her pastries and her 1955 Pontiac convertible, Dirk struggles with love and fear: "He wanted to be strong and to love someone who was strong; he wanted to meet any gaze, to laugh under the brightest sunlight and never hide." After his first heartbreak, with his closest friend (who cannot accept Dirk's love nor his own for Dirk), Dirk battles more fiercely for identity; beaten up by a gang of punks, he slumps into semiconsciousness and is visited by his ancestors, each telling a haunting, lyrical tale of love, faith and self-acceptance. What might seem didactic from lesser writers becomes a gleaming gift from Block. Her extravagantly imaginative settings and finely honed perspectives remind the reader that there is magic everywhere. Ages 12-up.

From School Library Journal
Grade 10 Up - A prequel to the popular books about Weetzie Bat and her circle of quirky friends and relatives. This novel is about her best pal, Dirk, in his pre-Weetzie days. He's in high school (in L.A., of course), living with Grandma Fifi and struggling with how to come out to his best friend and soulmate. Although Dirk never does tell Pup he's gay, Pup feels the sexual tension between them: "'I love you, Dirk,' Pup said. 'But I can't handle it.'" In reaction, Dirk takes to slam dancing in punk joints. When a gang of gay bashers beats him up, he drags himself home and passes out. While he's unconscious, long-dead relatives he's never known come to him in what seem to be dreams; when he wakes in the hospital, he realizes that his grandmother has been telling him stories. Out of her comforting words about how others in his family have insisted on being themselves, his battered brain fashions hopeful hallucinations, including one of his future lover. His visions assure him that "There was love waiting; love would come." Block writes distinctively and convincingly, interweaving the hallucination scenes smoothly. She makes the power of stories felt - and here, more purposefully than ever before, she weaves a safety net of words for readers longing to feel at home with themselves. Gay teens in particular need this book. All fans of the series will relish meeting nice-guy Dirk as the tender Baby Be-Bop.

[Sabriel]

85. I say have to pass a quiz on the book before proceeding with the suit

I'm guessing they haven't actually read the whole thing. And no Spark Notes, either!

[Stellabella]

87. There's NOTHING wussier or wimpier than a poor, poor Christian

whose delicate sensibilities have been compromised by REAL LIFE. Why can't they just grow up?

Christ, I hate those people. And I used that name deliberately.

[sakabatou]

88. When they start to burn books

Sooner or later, they may burn humans

[malaise]

91. Why don't these 'morans' start their own

Xtian library and leave the public library for people who want to read any book.

WTF is wrong with these lunatics?

[The Doctor.]

92. Just Wow.

Seriously, these people are fucking children.

Read either way.

[NeedleCast]

95. As idiotic as stuff like this is, life would be a lot more dull without their insanity

[Duer 157099]

102. That's it. I'm suing every hotel I've ever stayed in

because they had a Bible in a drawer

[newspeak]

104. maybe we could do a giant poster with a picture of the Nazis burning books

or better yet, we could do a giant poster of the witch burnings in Europe. It just seems they love fire. We could do all kinds of posters of things being burned.

[ShadowLiberal]

106. What a southern solution, if you hate the book then burn it and ban it!

Just like the south used to do to books like Uncle Tom's cabin, burn them and ban them, that's what social conservatives have to do to fight books they don't like. They can't just, you know, ignore those books when they go into the library like everyone else.

[sarcasmo]

107. Why can't the crazies just have an island for themselves?

[kenny blankenship]

113. If they can twist the word "damage" to mean seeing the cover of a book they hate

Then I can twist the meaning of the "compensation", which they are to receive, to be defined as "confinement in a closed arena with several hungry lions and bears, that have been enraged by injections of amphetamines and testosterone."

The lawsuit may then proceed.

[dorkulon]

117. Christian Civil Liberties Union?

Sounds like a fun bunch.

[queerart]

118. Just Thought I Would Share A Video....

I'm sure most have seen it....





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miULdI-qocg