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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:51 AM
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Daschle Urges Obama To Drop Public Health Care Plan
The man once slated to head Barack Obama's health care system overhaul is now coming out against one of the chief components of that effort.

Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle said on Wednesday that the Obama White House would likely have to scrap a public option for health insurance coverage if it wanted to get the votes needed to pass systematic change.

"We've come too far and gained too much momentum for our efforts to fail over disagreement on one single issue," the Senator and one-time HHS Secretary nominee said, according to ABC News.

The remarks came after Dashcle, along with former Senate Majority Leaders Bob Dole and Howard Baker introduced his own proposal for health care reform that. That plan actually included a pseudo-version of a government-run option. The Daschle proposal calls for (among other things) public insurance pools to be administered by state government, not the feds.

In coming out against a public plan, Daschle adds kindling to an already roaring debate on health care reform. On Thursday morning, former Vermont Governor Howard Dean repeated the mantra that you cannot have effective legislation if it does not include a public option. At the White House on Wednesday, several state legislators who had met with current HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius argued the same point.

more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/18/daschle-urges-obama-to-dr_n_217329.html

What a dick! :mad:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:53 AM
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1. This is a losing battle.
people will continue to suffer.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:54 AM
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4. It's worse than that
Wihtout a robust public plan, what's being suggested will actually make matters worse than they already are.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:58 AM
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9. Then there is no plan.
Listen to the Republicans. Private plans can't compete with the public plan.. Leaving us to the whims' of insurance companies profits.. To hell with it all. just let it rot. When the time comes, we'll get change. But, not until insurance company CEO's have bled us dry .
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:35 PM
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34. Tom Daschle is a loser, not a leader.
Tom Daschle was a loser of a "Majority" "Leader" while in the Senate.

He is a loser corporate-shill now.

The American people will only be losers if we follow Daschle's recipe for losing (which would of course be a big win for Daschle's corporate pimps).

Tom Daschle should go suck goat balls and leave meaningful health care reform to the actual leaders calling for a single-payer public plan.

-app
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 07:16 PM
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57. You're Right!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:53 AM
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2. The ONLY choice is to OPPOSE ANY Plan without a Public Plan
Plain and simple.

It's all or nothing because nothing is better than "reform" with no robust public plan.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:18 AM
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20. I Agree -- Dean and His Allies
need to get a block of congressman and senators who will vote down any bill without a robust public option.

I don't care if it means health care is put off until next year. Better than than being put off for the next 17.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:46 PM
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38. Exactly - a bullshit "reform" proposal needs to go DOWN - better to leave things the way they are
than to do non-reform "reform".
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:54 AM
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They have the "momentum" to pass a convoluted piece of shit right now
This is truly becoming reform for the sake of reform at this point.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:54 AM
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3. oh crap, why is Obama listening to Daschle
listen to Dean and Sanders.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:55 AM
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5. Nothing is going to change, except that health care will be even more expensive.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:00 AM
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12. LOL...everything will be worse, yet many will believe the exact opposite since it's America
Count on it
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:55 AM
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6. Daschle is a neocon enabler and surrender monkey
imo...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:58 PM
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44. imo also
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:56 AM
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7. How in hell have we been beat on this one?
This is the voice of money triumphing over the public good - not one thing more or less.

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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:48 PM
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39. Time for a March of the Millions on Washington - that's probably the only thing that might help at
this point. Try to FORCE them to listen to us.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:57 AM
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8. That's quite depressing. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:59 AM
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10. Daschle is a dead pundit walking
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 11:03 AM by rocktivity
Let's not forget that Obama had to drop HIM over his not paying over $100G in back taxes.

x(
rocktitivy
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:59 AM
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11. What a slimy piece of shit you are, Tom Daschle. Not content with leading Dems to ruin under W?
Determined to rack up even more damage?
FUCK YOU.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:00 AM
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13. This is why we have to push for Medicare for all. Maybe they will compromise
and make Medicare the public plan. Otherwise, the Republicans will win and we will get something as ineffective and costly as Medicare Part D, the prescription drug non-plan.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:01 AM
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14. Ooooh! Yes, give me the healthcare of Dashcle, Dole and Baker
"Disagreement on a single issue" : the ONLY issue, the DEFINING issue. Like someone else said, I'll go with the opinion of Dean and Sanders versus these shills. How's the ED doing, Bob?
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:05 AM
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15. Gold Urges Daschle to STFU n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:06 AM
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16. More like a daschole...
:hide:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:07 AM
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17. Well, the public has to speak louder than Tom Daschle.
n/t
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:16 AM
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18. With polls showing 76% of the American people want a single payer option
I'd say that's speaking pretty loudly. If Obama and the Dem's can't hear us it's because of one reason and one reason only - money.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:03 PM
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27. But 76% in a poll doesn't mean anything if people aren't constantly vocalizing that to pols.....
.... n'est-ce pas?
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:36 PM
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35. We can vocalize all we want but until we can match the bribes
paid by the insurance companies they'll claim they never heard from us.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:44 PM
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37. I'm sick of hearing that excuse.
I just got my daily fund raising e-mail from Obama. I replied to them by telling them no more money until we get single payer health care.

Obama and the Dem's know exactly what the people overwhelmingly want. If they don't give it to us I don't want to hear "People didn't call or write enough." That's total fucking bullshit!

As I sit writing this I hear Ed Schultz saying if the Dem's don't pass it, it's because "they have no backbone." That's bullshit too.

Lets not kid ourselves anymore. If we don't get a single payer option it will be because the insurance companies have bought off the Democrats. No other reason is plausible.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:17 AM
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19. Another spineless DLC sellout piece of shit who needs to crawl away and die
...and live off his wife's income as a corporate health care lobbyist. :puke:
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:38 AM
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23. Agreed!
He was never any damned good.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:17 PM
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48. same as he ever was
:mad:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:24 AM
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21. He's such a tireless fighter for the people!
He's a dick all right



Now picture it shaking in fear and with a tutu and you have Daschle

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dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:33 AM
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22. This was my WTF moment this morning.
What the hell.

This is an example of democrats that choose to roll over and accept almost any compromise, rather than fight.

I hope to hell he hasn't just given conservative "dems" in the Senate a way away from some sort of Public Plan. The public plan has to be real and robust, or the insurance companies will be able to ignore it.

Get a bill with a strong public plan, strong-arm the conservative dems, then use the Budget Reconiliation process to stop any filibuster effort.

grumble, grumble, grumble


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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:39 AM
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24. Thank GOODNESS this FUCKER decided not to pay taxes
Last I saw Sebilius was still pushing a robust public option.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:40 AM
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25. Somebody should tell him he's nobody any more.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:46 AM
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26. Remember his horrible anti-choice bill from the late 90s?
It was far worse than the Republican's anti-choice bill, far worse. Yet Bill Clinton approved it also.

Women's choice advocates need to be aware of the Daschle Abortion Bill 1997

At least he did not think women should be put in jail for having an abortion. How nice.

He was for the public option until he was against it.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:05 PM
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28. As long as we have Obama and Dean, I think we'll be okay, but
what a douche bag Daschle is. I always had my doubts about this guy, and now they were confirmed today.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:05 PM
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29. No wonder Daschle was Senate Majority Leader before the Rethugs took the Senate and before Reid...
TOTALLY FUCKING SPINELESS!!!

It's a tradition!
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:11 PM
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30. Calling all DUers who slammed those of us who said we MUST start negotiating from single payer
and then we MIGHT get a public option.

By starting from the position that a public option was the ultimate goal, we're now going to get negotiated down to a 1.87% decrease in costs amortized over 10 years.

Bank on it. We threw away our best starting negotiating position before we even started and thus will lose it all as the money grubbing congress and it's even greedier bankrollers - the healthcare industry - smell our timidity and run roughshod over us.

I am so not surprised. Angry. But not surprised.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:52 PM
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40. Second that - it was a major mistake to start from such a lame position.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:57 PM
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42. +1
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 12:58 PM by RufusTFirefly
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:14 PM
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31. This may be the only time I'll ever say something like this, but I'd like to thank the Republicans
for their hypocritical boo hooing about Daschle's tax problem. You unwittingly helped us dodge a bullet.

Good Riddance Mr. Daschle. it's time to be buried back into the obscurity of your lobbying hole.
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:25 PM
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32. With "friends" like this...
who needs, blah, blah, blah.

Sometimes I just don't know who I dislike more: fascistic Republican'ts or abject spineless Dems?

And by the way Mr. Daschle, you were an awful Senate Majority Leader who did nothing to help dispel the perception that Democrats (at least within the Beltway) are weak. Thanks for not paying your taxes in a timely fashion and staying out of the Obama cabinet (Summers and Geithner are bad enough).

I hope that lobbying money is worth it. Sellout.

:wtf:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:31 PM
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33. my suspicions about Daschle were correct
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 12:37 PM by fascisthunter
he was a phony to begin with. Another corporate private sector whore in the democratic party.

PS - he did accept tons of cash from the private health insurance industry.
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:39 PM
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36. At least he didn't cheat on his wife.
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 12:54 PM by Bushknew
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:57 PM
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41. Wow.
Is he trying to 'get back' at Obama for not ensuring that he got the post; or does he really believe all this crap?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:58 PM
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43. Gee Tommy, aren't you some sort of lobbyist?
Let me phrase this correctly...umm...Fuck you.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:00 PM
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45. Daschle is a corporate whore.
:puke:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:03 PM
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46. Ed Schultz was just on ripping Daschle a new asshole nt
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 05:08 PM
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55. And I think Ed was EASY on Daschle, that traitor to Democrats and progress...
'nuff said.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:24 PM
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47. I guess when a group of overlords sends you anthrax...
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 01:27 PM by CoffeeCat
...and sits you down and lets you know that you'll be losing your Senate seat--you get the hint
real quick, that if you want to re-ignite your political career--this time you'll be toeing the
line for the overlords.

Daschle's words have the same effect on healthcare reform as any Republican who opposes any
change.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:22 PM
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49. I can't take this anymore. It is making me sicker.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:23 PM
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50. Thanks, Tom!
:grr:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:27 PM
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51. I just posted this reminder from Greenwald in February about the Daschles
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:37 PM
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52. Give him some more time he'll come around.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:53 PM
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53. The same ol' Vichy appeaser he was as Majority Leader. Just drop that one little detail, Tom...
I mean, fuck... a thriving public health system is only the single most critical element within the entire concept of "health care," as distinct from "medical insurance." An affordable, bureaucracy-free single-payer, universal-access health care system is considered a basic right by virtually the entire civilized world.

Here, even though we're finally starting to get a hint as to who the screwers and screwees are (which would be "them" and "us," respectively), medical coverage is still an expensive, big-ticket consumer item; a privilege reserved for those who can pay the exorbitant monthly premiums, deductibles, co-pays, "make-good" costs on the 80-20 scam, and anything else the greedy slime creatures can invent as they go along.

Part of the problem lies in separating the concept of health care from the concept of medical insurance.


What's health care? What's medical insurance?
Health care is what happens when patients and health care professionals – doctors, nurses, technicians, researchers, epidemiologists, pathology lab staff and so on -- collaborate to, in the best case, successfully diagnose, treat, alleviate and/or eliminate a patient's medical problem(s).

Insurance is the protection money you're compelled to pay the leg-breaking racketeers occupying the middle ground to enable this transaction. This isn't a health care system. It's just another corporate shake down. Premiums are protection money paid to legalized extortion syndicates, who then allow you to keep most of your stuff – house, car, pre-Columbian art, coin and stamp collections, et al -- if something serious (i.e., expensive and maybe requiring hospitalization) happens to you.

If it does, and you're without even the usual inadequate and pathetic medical coverage prevalent throughout the US, you're just about guaranteed to join the millions who file for bankruptcy each year solely because they aren't zillionaires and can't afford to pay the hospital bills.

Why would you want to give a single damn penny to some parasite who does absolutely nothing to provide health care?

Note that the two have absolutely nothing in common except in the twisted minds of Chicago School libertarian fanatics and free market pitchmen. Nobel Prize winning charlatan economist Milton Friedman comes to mind, greedy cheapskate bastard prick of the first magnitude that he was. (Keep in mind that Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize, so...)

Break that nonsensical, artificial link, dump the idea of for-profit medicine entirely, replace it with a single-payer, universal-access system and spread the risk over the entire population in the form of a modest, progressive tax.


Where the money goes
Of the 19 countries the UN classifies as "industrialized," "advanced" or "first-world," the US spends more than twice as much as any of the other 18 on running this for-profit scam, triaging by bank account balance rather than medical urgency. And what's that number? Well...

In 2006, for-profit medicine in the US was a $2.2 TRILLION business costing Americans about $7,333 each, of which various parasites and extortionists skimmed between 20 and 35 percent -- or between $400 billion and $700 billion.

Here's what the UN's World Health Organization (WHO) had to say about its landmark 2000 study comparing the health care system of 190 countries -- due to be updated next year.

"The position of the United States is one of the major surprises of the new rating system," says Christopher Murray, M.D., Ph.D., Director of WHO's Global Programme on Evidence for Health Policy. "Basically, you die earlier and spend more time disabled if you’re an American rather than a member of most other advanced countries.

"The United States rated 24th under this system, or an average of 70.0 years of healthy life for babies born in 1999. The WHO also breaks down life expectancy by sex for each country. Under this system, U.S. female babies could expect 72.6 years of healthy life, versus just 67.5 years for male babies."


What the hell? 67.5 years? That's nearly 10 years below what it was back in the 1970s and '80s. So we don't get much actual "health" for all this money. What then do we get?

How about exec compensation; shareholder return; obsessive paper pushing; outside investments in such things as real estate and hedge funds; motivational junkets to the Bahamas for execs and their girlfriends; salaries and perks for armies of actuaries and claims "adjusters" (whose job is to "adjust" claims down to zero $$$ via technicalities or, if they can't find any, just make shit up); and so much more...

None of this has anything whatsoever to do with performing the job their corporations are chartered for: paying medical claims to health care providers for their subscribers. That's their only job, and they still manage to fuck it up, refuse to do it and pervert it until it's unrecognizable.


Here in Dumbfuckistan...
...It's like the timid soul of Don Knotts fused with the brain of Homer Simpson, combined to produce a bit of primordial slime with the wimpiest and the dumbest characteristics possible, cloned itself endlessly, then slipped the clones down 300 million auditory canals, from where they slid undetected right on into the American collective consciousness. D'oh... And one result is...

The US is unique in the world in its child-like belief in corporate good citizenship and the intrinsic benevolence of a medical system even though it's based solely on making tons of money.

This is not only naive; it's clueless, since it requires expecting these soulless pigs to engage in illegal business practices. They make enough money without needing to bust a felony every day. To wit:

US corporate law and SEC regulations demand that a publicly owned, for-profit corporation must focus on achieving one single objective: maximizing shareholder equity.

In short, it's literally impossible for a US for-profit publicly held medical insurer or facility to deliver on its obligations to its subscribers and shareholders at the same time. And, as noted above, if somebody has to get screwed, by law it's going to be the peasants.

Only toddlers, nitwits and republicans (redundant?) could possibly believe this is the best way to run a local fire department, much less a system that makes critical life-and-death decisions every day.


Screw your customers and win great prizes...
The Wall St. investment community -- where virtually everything that's bad for people is considered good for business and vice versa -- puts out a flurry of "buy advisories" to reward for-profit medical insurance companies for refusing to cover essential medical procedures based on the thinnest, most ridiculous pretexts.

A quick aside: About eight years ago, I was denied coverage for a CAT Scan and MRI ordered by a fairly famous Portland-based pain management doc. He was hoping to find the source of some uncommonly sharp neck pains I had been experiencing. Keep in mind that CAT Scans and MRIs are common, non-life-threatening, non-experimental procedures that even the infamous Scrooge McDuck Happy Happy Deep Pockets Predatory Slime Creatures and Amalgamated Partners in Claims Denial R Us, LLC. would cover -- as long as Huey, Dewey and Louie were the ones afflicted.

But because I forgot to include a quick trip to the ER on my application, this particular claim was denied because the trip to the ER to reset and tape a dislocated little toe -- plus write serious pain med scrips -- was classified as a "preexisting condition."

I had sustained this so-called injury about 40 years prior and somehow failed to see any relevance to the procedure in question in the early part of the 21st century. Silly me...


Thanks a lot, Daschle, you sell-out prick.
Without a public health system -- such as the national/provincial/regional plans every single one of the other 18 so-called civilized, post-industrial countries uses to keep their populations far healthier, for far longer, than the US does...

Without that element, it's just same shit, same perps, same screwers and screwees, same

Another grand and noble victory for the bribocracy, and another 1,000 or so raised middle fingers from a smirking Congress to the people they pretend to represent.

Remember: It's all bullshit; and it's all about money..." (me, 2001)
If there's any lesson to be learned and internalized while watching this travesty of "health care reform" go straight to hell, it's that all campaigns -- from alderman to president -- must be publicly financed.

If not, we get the current system of federal, state and even local governments that serve corporate interests exclusively -- a government run of, by and for the exclusive benefit of the rich and powerful.

If we continue on this insane path of overt influence peddling and blatant corruption, we're willing participants and, worst of all, ignorant, self-destructive fools who accelerate our own economic/social/environmental races for the bottom by NOT funding political campaigns.

I know it's a Hobson's choice: I don't want to encourage the swine either.

But the current "Money = Speech;" "Corporate Personhood;" corporate "values" uber alles is clearly destroying this country. Put that way, I submit the choice gets considerably easier.


sf

Steven Franklin, the writer former known as War*e* P*as*
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 04:55 PM
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54. Dashcle, Dole, and Baker?
I'd listen to these guys like I'd listen to my 10 y/o neighbor. Yes honey, that sounds nice. Just FOAD!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 05:10 PM
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56. Daschle's entire failed career is marked by constant caving to conservatives.
You might say that he has made a living at giving conservatives what they want.

I watched him cave to Bush and the conservatives for years while he was in office- interesting that this doesnt change even when out of office either.

More "we dont have votes" cop out and zero "Here are the names of the conservative DEM senators holding this up- join me in opposing them."

If this "we dont have the votes" nonsense was not just an excuse, then DEMS would tell us EXACTLY who the "we dont have the votes" DEMS are, and what we can do to fight them.
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