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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:36 AM
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I stumbled across something...
when engaging republicans (in this case it was over Universal health care) I made the statement, "republicans are all in favor of the people making choices... As long as it is a republican giving the choices to choose from." every one of them shut up and had no response.

I then realized the statement was universal... Abortion, voting rights, equal Marriage rights. etc.

Thoughts?
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:44 AM
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1. excellent point ---- I'd like to use that one myself....
....it's gonna be a long summer.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:56 AM
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3. I hope so
winter heating bills are killing me. Summer passive solar feels so much better.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:46 AM
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2. Yeah, they are pro-choice, for example, in the sense that...
...the choices are between adoption and keeping the child without resorting to welfare.

You nailed them, IMO.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 10:29 AM
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4. The Republicans want us to be perfectly free
to do as we're told.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 10:45 AM
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5. guiding philosophy of the rightwing
They think they were born to rule (control others)
and serve themselves.

The leftwing think that they were born to serve others
and rule (control) themselves.

Huge difference.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 11:07 AM
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6. To them, offering choices is "imposing" our beliefs.
I saw it put well in an old article... found it.

Here’s the difference: When liberals push for legal abortion, assisted suicide, and gay marriage, they are not imposing their views upon any individual; they are, in fact, encouraging every individual to make his or her own decision. Nobody has ever suggested that anyone should be forced to have an abortion, or to die because they’re ill. Nobody is pushing for same-sex marriage to be mandatory. However, when Christians push for banning abortion, or assisted suicide, or gay marriage, they are indeed imposing their views upon specific individuals, telling them how to live, making moral and ethical choices for them.

It is an indisputable and extremely significant difference. Fundamentalist Christians equate liberal advocacy with their own efforts, but a real liberal equivalent would be protesting outside churches, or demanding that religious programming be banned from the airwaves because it might infect innocent secular children. This might be a good idea, but it isn’t on anybody’s agenda.


http://www.buffalobeast.com/80/krauthammer.htm
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 11:10 AM
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7. well put.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 11:55 AM
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8. Good article, thanks
An excellent smackdown of Krauthammer.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 01:07 PM
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9. Big time.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 04:46 PM
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10. Same with "wealth redistribution." Regardless of what they say, they
are all for the redistribution, so long as it's redistributed from the middle/lower classes to the rich.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:16 PM
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14. Right . . . all wealth begins with the government - especially land distribution which
was early on steadily favorable to elites --

and elites have always controlled he wealth and natural resources of the nation.

So -- step #1, they've been redistributing the wealth and resources from the many

to the few. That's what capitalism is about.

What they don't want to see is the public take control of the wealth and resources

for the public's benefit.

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 07:11 PM
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11. There is an excellent book, "The Authoritarians", that describes the behavior and mind set of these
Right Wing Authoritarians. The book is free on the internet. Don't have the addy immediately. Also, available in softcover for cost at lulu.com.
It is worth every penny of the free charge. (sorry bad joke) It is a good book.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:03 PM
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12. Quite interested in reading that. Thank you for suggesting it. n/t
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 11:38 PM
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17. The link to the book in the message.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:57 PM
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13. Excellent discovery. K&R nt
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mackerel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 10:05 PM
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15. Replace Republicans with Christian Extremists and
you've pretty much summed up politics in America.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 10:24 PM
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16. WOW, you are smart.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:52 AM
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20. Thank You!!!
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 01:23 PM
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22. I'm surprised they didn't say,
"Democrats are all in favor of the people making choices... As long as it is a Democrat giving the choices to choose from."

but sometimes that sort of thing doesn't happen in made up stories!
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 02:06 AM
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18. Right-wingers are infantile tyrants.
That's why they can't be allowed to dominate anywhere, let alone run a country. They're not adults, they are kids posturing as über-authoritative parents, psychologically speaking.

Transactional Analysis is a branch of psychology that describes the infantile mind-set lucidly.

All actual tyrants are also profoundly infantile. Just look at Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Il and our own Chimpy-in-Chief - good grief!

Empathy appears only at a higher stage of development. So, naturally, it's the hallmark of a liberal orientation. :)

Take it from an ex-therapist: liberals really are superior beings in an evolutionary sense, heh heh heh.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 04:13 AM
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19. Excellent. k+r, n/t
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:54 AM
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21. GOP: Bi-Partisanship means Dems adopt GOP policy...PERIOD
They have a had and always will have a "my-way-or-the-highway" attitude.

Compromise implies weakness and losing and conservatives cannot stand that.
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