Do you think Obama is doing a better job than the last President?

[KillCapitalism]

Poll question: Do you think Obama is doing a better job than the last President?

In my opinion Obama's Presidency so far is just marginally better than Bush's. I see it that way for three big reasons.

1. He still supports corporate bailouts & windfalls to executives even though he claims he wants to restrict executive pay.

2. He is VERY anti-gay.

3. He's not making that much of an effort to end the war in Iraq.

The only real plus is that he seems to want to push for health care reform, but we'll see if this is another broken promise and/or a boon to big health care corporations.

[RedCappedBandit]

1. Better, if for no other reason than

his ability to speak without embarrassing himself

[old mark]

2. Better - this is a fucking joke, right? nt

[KillCapitalism]

4. Not a joke.

IMO, if he keeps the Iraq war going for the rest of his term, and continues to fail to deliver on his campaign promises, he could possibly be considered as bad as Bush by most Americans.

[old mark]

14. Outright bullshit. If it's not a joke, it's the dumbest thing I have seen

even on this forum.


mark

[Xenotime]

32. Obama is doing a wonderful job. He inherited a lot of shit from *

[redqueen]

11. You can't blame them.

With all the claims that people *here* are ready to bail on him and vote for someone else in the primary in '12?

[Merryweather]

3. He ended torture

That alone makes him a much better president than Bush. And he's already set a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq - we can't just yank the troops out tomorrow with causing more chaos in Iraq.

I agree with the gay issues thing though - he's been doing a very poor job so far on that score.

[liberal N proud]

5. This is a rhetorical question - RIGHT!

[Zynx]

6. I will address those three points in order:

1. He has made efforts to restrain the excesses of executives and has imposed so many restrictions on TARP that banks are itching to get rid of it even though it leaves their capital positions weakened going into a period of large scale commercial real estate write downs. We are getting large amounts of our money back and with interest. As far as the auto companies, the fact that Chrysler is now a union-owned company and GM will be a largely union-owned company is an impressive outcome given the alternatives. If the bondholders and right-wingers in Congress had their way the unions would have been completely broken and the bondholders, being the vultures that they are, would have sacked those companies for all that they were worth.

Obama's broader economic policies are very much to the left of George W. Bush. When you compare the stimulus bill the Democrats passed to what the Republicans proposed, they are worlds apart and our bill supports progressive initiatives such as public educations, health care for children, green energy, etc. His long term budget outline puts us on the most liberal track since the 1960s.

2. This is simply not true. His justice department is legally obligated to defend existing law. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the obligations the legal profession exists under or the obligations of DOJ specifically, but it's worth looking up so you are not so angry all of the time.

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" on the other hand, should be repealed, but I have confidence that at some point in his administration it will be.

3. How fast did you want it to end? A week? Even three months? Both of those are not reasonable. There are significant logistical concerns that have to be addressed in the process there. We are already pulling out of almost all Iraqi cities, including Mosul even though Mosul is not a "secured" city. The timeline is in place and our presence will be heavily reduced in a year.

I think you want to believe the worst, so you do.

[stray cat]

7. McCain Palin!

and W was better than Obama - we were all so much better off under the leadership of Cheney and Bush. Bush was a president with international gravitas :banghead: Actually Cheney says he is pro-gay marriage so maybe in 2012?

I guess you are in good company with the right wing GOP

[KillCapitalism]

8. Eh...

"I guess you are in good company with the right wing GOP."

I'm not, but Obama might be someday.

If only we could get Dennis Kucinich, a REAL progressive elected.

[Stinky The Clown]

22. If you possess any ability whatever to appreciate the finer points of arguments, then you have .....

...... to admit you're full of shit.

Except for a few loonie outliers, I have observed NO ONE here say they would have preferred Palin/McCain over Obama. What I see are a (rather quite) few advocates for Dean or Edwards or Kucinich, etc., or a nameless lefty over Obama.

Many others like Obama, but really, deeply dislike one or several of his policy stances.

And go ahead .... call me a "hater" ....... that's the usual mindless rebut to what I've just said.





.... you were saying ...... ??

[emilyg]

26. +1

[whistler162]

9. Well Ms. Salt I think he is doing a lot better....

NOW if you and the other instant gratificationites would calm down and not have temper tantrums every 10 milliseconds about every supposed slight it would even be better!

[Sheepshank]

10. lol......ITA n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

24. Please define "instant gratificationites"

[spanone]

12. 18%...marginally? pffffft

[lpbk2713]

13. No comparison

I don't have to see that idiot bloviating on my TeeVee any more and that makes all the difference in the world.

[MadBadger]

15. Shame on that 3%

[solstice]

16. Since he is continuing, defending, and EXPANDING so many of Bush's policies, I voted WORSE.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Unfortunately, he is a centrist politician. He ran as one and is behaving as one.

He's a politician tinkering with a corrupt political system that needs more than a few cosmetic changes. But, that's what he promised to do. Tinker.

Lofty speeches and promises do not "change" make.

[Badgerman]

18. I agree with you on this. protecting the criminals is worse than the acts! n/t

[konnichi wa]

19. Marginally better...and the margin is shrinking every day, unfortunately.

:-(

[Uzybone]

20. Too many fucking trolls on this this site now

its pathetic.

[eddieb2]

21. Is

a troll anyone who disagrees with you? Just asking.

[Uzybone]

23. anyone who says not prosecuting torturers is worse than torturing

is a fucking troll

Anyone who says Obama equals or is worse than Bush, is a fucking troll.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. Define "troll"

[Bluebear]

31. "Anybody who says anything remotely anti-Obama"

[emilyg]

27. I think people are

expressing their honest opinion.

[Deja Q]

28. Here's some milk for the oatmeal raisin cookies

(for every anti-Obama post will acquire the baby image at some point. Unless all the naysayers can scrape up enough evidence to really show we've aaaaaaaaaall been hoodwinked, blah blah blahbety blah...)

[azmouse]

29. It's bullshit like this that has chased away many good DUers

Anyone who voted that boosh was better should be immediately tombstoned. No questions asked.
They have no business being allowed to post here.

[Hippo_Tron]

30. Troops are leaving Iraq right now, they will all be out by 2012

You can accuse him of going too slow on getting the troops out but I think it's hardly reasonable to accuse him of "not making that much of an effort to end the war in Iraq".

[QueenOfCalifornia]

33. You must fucking be kidding...

Let me answer your question with pictures:

Your Poll:



Thoughtless Idiot:


Thoughtful genius:



I refused to even vote in your duimbass poll.

[lpbk2713]

35. LOL

:thumbsup: :hi: :thumbsup:


Thanks. I needed that.

[KamaAina]

34. You mean Clinton?

About the same, actually.

Remember, for the eight years in between, we only had a pResident; the P was silent. :P

[LeftishBrit]

36. From a foreigner's perspective, MUCH better

He's not perfect, but he's VERY much better, and less of a danger to the entire world, than Bush!!!

[KillCapitalism]

37. So I guess we can't strongly disagree with a lot of Obama's policies?

Wow.

This is almost getting as bad as that other place where you could never disagree with anything Bush/Cheney did. Anyway, it's not just me, many GLBT DUers have not been happy with the status quo lately, and also members who have lost friends or family in this seemingly endless Iraq war.

The main point of this thread is that we were sold a lot of empty promises. I will support someone other than Obama in 2012, but that only someone right now would be Kucinich. Here's why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hro6tyGr5N0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ-LNeLxOrE

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. What A Crock Of Shit.

Stupidity En Masse today.