What EXTREMELY puzzles me about pro-lifers is their total disregard for established life .

[UndertheOcean]

As long as you are in the belly , you are sacred. Once out , fuck you . Starve , die , be bombed to smithereens , they don't care .


Why the contradiction ?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. What contradiction?

If you're a zealot, there is no contradiction.................

[Thickasabrick]

2. Well, when you come out you then become "tainted" by liberals and

such.

[valerief]

3. They kill for life. Sounds like the definition of insanity to me. nt

[Jade Fox]

4. As long as you're "in the belly"....

you can be whatever your "defender" wants you to be.

[Hepburn]

5. Because these Womb Nazis see pregnancy as a PUNISHMENT for...

...having sex and enjoying it.

JMHO

[katandmoon]

12. You are exactly right. It's all about punishing women for having sex for non-procreation purposes.

[Hepburn]

18. Yep....

...if we have sex and enjoy it and, gawd forbid, it is non-procreational sex, then automatically we are sluts who NEED to have the punishment of pregnancy visited upon us.

That is the message I am getting from the anti-choicers.

JMHO

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. Life begins at conception and ends at birth, in their world.

[Ocracoker16]

13. I always think of that line when I encounter pro-lifers

These pro-lifers have no interest in what happens after birth. These same people are against affordable healthcare for kids. They don't care that some parents are unable to pay for basic health care needs like vaccines. How can you be so committed to stopping people from having abortions when you could care less about their needs once they are born?

[miyazaki]

7. they are only 'pro birth' not pro life. fucking whacko's n/t

[MountainLaurel]

8. Original sin

Once you're born, you're tainted by Eve's sin and have to spend the rest of your life trying to overcome being evil. In the womb, you're still innocent.

[omega minimo]

9. They start by totally disregarding the "established life" that is the woman

[haele]

10. It's about "the original sin" - and it's an easy out.

According to a wingnut I am unfortunately acquainted with, the baby is Gawd's miracle, innocent of his or her mother's sin until it is born and draws first breath in this sinful world. That breath is the baby's acceptance of sin. Or so I've been told.

Personally, I think it's just an easy way out, using the fetus as a symbol to excuse a person's desire to take up a cause, yet not really have to stand for anything tangible or to answer to the subject of the cause. For most people "Pro-Life" is just another reason to take Gawd's name in vain while they're bludgeoning other people's rights to pieces because of their personal "specialness".

Haele

[DinahMoeHum]

11. "PRE"-life.

n/t

[sohndrsmith]

14. Thank you. I have never been able to square this either. n/t

[Taverner]

15. They are not anti choice because they love life - instead they feel someone needs to be punished

[anonymous171]

17. Exactly. nt

[anonymous171]

16. Because they aren't pro-anything at all. They are anti-woman. nt

[muntrv]

19. That's why I call them PRO-FETUS.

[tavalon]

27. But they aren't

The fetus is merely the means with which to punish the slut, er, mother.

[AllentownJake]

20. They are pro-poverty they are not pro-life

Lets be honest with what these stupid fucks are. Lets go down the list of what the ass clowns believe in.

Impoverished people follow their leaders.

There was an 8 year hiatus of these assholes while Bush was President. There was a reason for that.

[Sal Minella]

21. Birth: that magical transition from "precious pre-born child" to "No-Good on Welfare."

[Canuckistanian]

22. And you'll notice that they're pro-DP, too

And they cheer on whatever war is put in front of them on the TeeVee.

And they want the nuclear bomb to be dropped on <fill in enemy of current decade>.

And they vehemently proclaim their right to blow away anyone who steps on their property.

So, yeah, it's weird that they have compassion for a clump of cells.

As Thom Hartmann always said "if men could have babies, abortion would be a sacrament"

[Juche]

23. As a guess, it is probably more about controlling the woman's decisions

That is my guess. Authoritarian conservatives are strong supporters of a moral code based on reciprocation so things like taxing the rich (ie punishing people who succeed) and welfare (rewarding people who fail) are offensive to them.

Women who get abortions (in their minds at least) probably didn't plan ahead, and should be forced to endure the 'punishment' of an unwanted pregnancy. Plus the fact that it is women getting these abortions probably pisses them off too. They hate women who get out of their boxes (Hillary as an example, Nancy Pelosi as another) and become too powerful. That is my guess.

Anyway, I seriously, seriously doubt people like Tom DeLay, Newt Gingrich or Rush Limbaugh actually give a damn about fetuses. It is more about controlling the lives and decisions of the fetuses' mothers, which is probably why neocons don't give a damn about increasing medical care for expectant mothers (even though not doing so means many women will miscarry).

[SOS]

24. Racism

They don't care about fetuses or children or adults.
They care about maintaining a white majority.

This article connects the dots from the Klan to Rescue America:

http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/body/raceabrt.html

[edbermac]

25. Like George Pro-Life Bush?

How many execution orders did he sign as Governor of Texas? And how many are dead with that little spat we had with Iraq?

[tavalon]

26. Easy. You're letting them frame the discussion

You think it's about "saving" the fetus. It isn't. It's about controlling women. Think of it from that frame of reference and it quickly makes sense why the fetus is no longer important once it's served its purpose of punishing the godless whore, er, mother.

[armyowalgreens]

28. It's all about innocence for them.

As soon as someone is old enough to think for themselves, according to pro-life christian nutballs, they are sinners. Evil sinners. There life is worth less than a fetus.


What it really boils down to is intelligence and logic. They tend to attack logic and reason. And those two things tend to plague fully grown persons. But a fetus does not show that. They are "logic free". They are appealing to "God".

[Enthusiast]

29. It's all about control.

The main reason is to use abortion as a wedge issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the last 11 justices of the supreme court were appointed by GOP presidents. If they wanted to overturn Roe vs Wade it would have been done. Imagine the GOP without the right to life zealots and their donations.