What a REAL pro-lifer thinks

[SoxFan]

The goal, let us recall, is a culture of life, a culture that restrains all that de-humanizes us as a people and as individuals. (Original sin, alas, will always find a way to assert itself as a principal part of our inheritance.) And, the only way we in the pro-life movement can provide a truthful witness to the culture of life is to be apostles of love and forgiveness and peace. Someone yesterday thought they could kill in the name of God and in defense of the unborn. Everyone in the pro-life movement must look searchingly at our rhetoric and our attitudes to make sure that we do not provide fodder for such thoughts and actions. De-humanization is not just something other people do.

http://www.americamagazine.org/blog/entry.cfm?blog_id=2&id=35437826-3048-741E-3368076015078457

[Smith_3]

1. The open break between the fundies and the moderate christians is long overdue.

Seems like it is happening.

[Buzz Clik]

2. For the most part, fundamentalist Christians are Christian in name only.

They proclaim themselves as "Christian" and completely disregard the teachings of Christ.

[cliffordu]

4. Yep. Hate dressed the same way the Klan was, in robes of false piety....

[Smith_3]

5. Maybe, but they "own the brand". The media equate them with "Christians as Christians should be".

That a person like Ann Coulter can proclaim herself a Christian openly and not draw a firestorm is an example of that.

[Buzz Clik]

19. You expect the media to criticize someone for their religious claims?

I can't imagine that they would ever do it or why they would.

[Smith_3]

24. Cause the statement that Coulter is a Christian is joke by any definition I can think of.

She doesn't have a Christian bone in her body.

[SoxFan]

3. The rift has always been there

Over the last decade, a clique of ultraconservative Catholics have cut a devil's deal with the Protestant Christian Right. Meanwhile, the left-of-center Catholic social justice community has soldiered on with their work on the death penalty, poverty, health care for the poor, etc.

The divide between Sam Brownback and Martin Sheen is very wide, despite superficial agreements on abortion.

[redqueen]

6. Do REAL pro-lifers protest the death penalty and all wars?

[Recursion]

9. Some do, yes

A lot of anti-choice people and groups are also involved in the antiwar and anti death penalty movement.

[SoxFan]

10. Yes, they do

http://www.consistent-life.org/
http://www.seamless-garment.org/index.shtml

[redqueen]

11. Thanks.

Glad to hear a flat yes, and not some weasel words.

I used to be included in that group, myself.

[Selatius]

15. Most people who call themselves "pro-life" don't. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance around.

If you polled 1000 people who call themselves pro-life, what are the odds that at least half of them or more would say they support the death penalty and supported Bush's act of war against Iraq? Very low? Very high?

[redqueen]

20. Very high.

[pnwmom]

18. Not necessarily all wars. Not a so-called "just war," such as fighting against

the Nazis in World War II, or a war of self defense.

But, to give another example, the Catholic Church came out in opposition to our war on Iraq, saying it didn't meet the definition of a just war.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

7. Have you see this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/how-i-and-other-pro-life_b_209747.html

The guy is sorry now. The line that utterly killed me is this one:

"Like many writers of moral/political/religious theories my father and I would have been shocked that someone took us at our word, walked into a Lutheran Church and pulled the trigger on an abortionist."

Yeah, buddy, you're SHOCKED that someone actually LISTENED to what you said. Maybe if you'd toned down your filthy rhetoric, Dr. Tiller and others might be alive today.

He goes on and on, but I'm wondering how much of his ill-gotten financial gains he'll be willing to disgorge, to donate to NARAL or to the family of Dr. Tiller, by way of penance?

Fuck these hypocrites. Just fuck them all.....................

[omega minimo]

8. Damage Control. The "Pro Life" Movement = Operation Rescue = Homicidal Hypocrites

"Pro Life" = Operation Rescue's brand name.

[Badgerman]

12. Flowery words! no different than those used to cover all acts of terror. n/t

[SoxFan]

13. Oh, that's right. Nobody can have a legitimate difference of opinion.

My bad.

Do you even know where the quote came from? It's from America Magazine, which the far-right fringe has tried to shut down for being too left wing on a number of occasions. It's a Jesuit publication that came as close to endorsing Barack Obama as it possibly could, and which has provided extensive coverage on the issues of poverty, capital punishment, and third world development from a progressive Christian perspective.

But if you'd rather beat your chest in self-righteous indignation, by all means, proceed.

[Bluebear]

14. No - but calling this The "REAL" pro-life opinion is not accurate.

As we have seen.

[Badgerman]

16. Precisely!

[Vickers]

22. Great answer.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Buzz Clik]

21. Your hate is unmatched.

How can any thinking human being interpret this quote as being used to "cover (an) act of terror":

Someone yesterday thought they could kill in the name of God and in defense of the unborn. Everyone in the pro-life movement must look searchingly at our rhetoric and our attitudes to make sure that we do not provide fodder for such thoughts and actions.

That quote is an unflinching condemnation of yesterday's murder and an indictment of any who refuses to condemn it.

Did radical Islamists provide similar condemnation after 9/11? No, but gratefully, thinking members of the Muslim community were quick to make similar comments.

[REP]

27. You see what you want; I see "be more careful so we don't get fined or jailed"

[REP]

26. Wish I could rec

Didn't see this before I posted.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. While that might be a 'real' pro-life position

it is far from being the majority 'pro-life' position.

[GeorgeGist]

23. The original sin was nonsense.

It lost to sanity.

[REP]

25. No such thing; just pro-liars and anti-abortnoids

Forgive me if I don't give a flying fuck about some flowery internet lies. Yesterday is what they all and I mean all want.

[SoxFan]

28. My, your scintilating intellect has left me bedazzled

Docuhebag

[REP]

29. What a great comeback. I'm impressed

That you spelled it correctly.