From a rightwing MUD on abortion

[Hawkeye-X]

Here's their thinking:

Samhain devs: some girl raped by her dad should be forced to have a baby?
Stakkar devs: who said that?
Samhain devs: or some should be able toa bort late cause the welfare
office said no on the expense
Samhain devs: well thats generally the issue
Stakkar devs: no it isn't
Samhain devs: its usually 100%
Samhain devs: 1 way or the other
Samhain devs: really?
Stakkar devs: laugh, no it isn't
Samhain devs: you must've checked your zealotry at the door
Stakkar devs: they always have an exception for rape/health of the mother in
the vast majority of laws
Samhain devs: ok what about when its 3rd month
Samhain devs: with no reason to have the child
Samhain devs: laugh
Samhain devs: that's an equally good reason
Stakkar devs: blackthorn was talking about the doctor who birthed a baby's
crown and then sucked its brains out and called it an abortion
Samhain devs: i guess some 500 cell organism deserves to be treated like a
human so it can later become a criminal that everyone can bitch about anyway
due to living in poverty and abuse
Samhain devs: like i said, i think its 100% situational
Samhain devs: well that part wasnt made clear
Samhain devs: but regardless
Samhain devs: how can you justify pro-life with murder
Samhain devs: seems so oxymoronic
Samhain devs: regardless of situation
dev nog, and hypocrisy
You dev: nog, and hypocrisy
> Samhain devs: i mean the guy was surely a scumbag in tha tcase
Samhain devs: and disgusting
Samhain devs: and morally reprehensible
Stakkar devs: and had it coming
dev yeah, but doesn't justify taking a life
You dev: yeah, but doesn't justify taking a life
> Samhain devs: but you cant justify a pro-life position by killing him
dev fear. did the universe just exploded. Me and Duck actually agreeing a point?
You dev: fear. did the universe just exploded. Me and Duck actually agreeing a
point?
> Samhain devs: i dont agree with you
Stakkar devs: you're in good company duck
Stakkar devs: grats
Samhain devs: youre completely wrong like bt is
Blackthorn regs: get a clue, "pro-life" means you're not in favor of killing
babies, it doesn't literally mean "in favor of all life" or something
Samhain devs: cause you both have polar points
Samhain devs: when its not a polar issue
Blackthorn regs: grats on accusing people of being hypocritical by not even
understanding the term
Samhain devs: that's my take anyway
Samhain devs: its situational entirely
Samhain devs: and late term is 1) never justified
Blackthorn regs: or put that on dev if that's where the dumbness was going down
reg but still, you have to look at the bigger picture of the term of "pro-life"
You reg: but still, you have to look at the bigger picture of the term of
"pro-life"
> Samhain devs: and midterm is not always unjsutified
Samhain devs: and early term is almost always right
Blackthorn regs: no i don't
reg congratulations, you're a conservative.
You reg: congratulations, you're a conservative.
> Samhain regs: me?
Samhain regs: i didnt read any of that so no idea what you're talking about.
Samhain regs: if that link is involved.
Stakkar regs: dudester, do you believe your parents should have aborted you
because of your disability?
Stakkar regs: because most conservatives don't
reg stakkar, believe it or not, I respected my parents' choice.
You reg: stakkar, believe it or not, I respected my parents' choice.
> Stakkar regs: but most liberals do
reg and my disability wasn't discovered until I was about 18 months old.
You reg: and my disability wasn't discovered until I was about 18 months old.
> Samhain regs: think that's wrong too
Samhain regs: and a blanket foolish statement
Stakkar regs: what if it was discovered
Samhain regs: laf
Stakkar regs: would you have aborted your deaf baby
Samhain regs: a deaf child is hardly what liberals are promoting aborting
Samhain regs: they're more on a social agenda
Stakkar regs: s/deaf/disabled
Stakkar regs: whatever
Stakkar regs: it's a fundamental part of the debate
Blackthorn devs: let's get it straight here, "pro-life" means one thing, not
killing babies. YOU are the one trying to make it apply to other things, not
the people who actually claim to be it. so basically you're arguing that
people aren't living up to their philosophy, when you're just sitting here
creating what their philosophy is on the fly, or telling them what their
philosophy is
Blackthorn devs: stop being a moron
Energy regs: where can I sign up for the forced abortion of all babies forever
Samhain devs: me?
Samhain devs: im still not getting who youre talking to
Samhain devs: since i asked before
Samhain devs: and you didnt say what you meant
Blackthorn devs: Samhain devs: but you cant justify a pro-life position by
killing him
Blackthorn devs: sure you can, because the man is 60 years old, not a baby.
get a fucking clue.
Samhain devs: well thje point of pro-life is not killing human life
Samhain devs: not about babies
Samhain devs: laugh
Stakkar devs: wrong
Samhain devs: that's what it applies to
Samhain devs: obviously
Blackthorn devs: no, it isn't.
Samhain devs: but its out of respect for human life
Samhain devs: not out of respect for baby life
Samhain devs: its human life
Samhain devs: laugh
Blackthorn devs: you're wrong again and just trying to insist you're right,
telling people what they believe when it's not what they believe
Samhain devs: thats the same reason they oppose stem cell shit
Blackthorn devs: done talking to you, later
Stakkar devs: pro-choice means killing babies, not being able to vote in a
democracy
Samhain devs: its the value of life
Stakkar devs: but let's redefine that shit to confuse the issue
Samhain devs: well explain to me then laugh
Samhain devs: not trying to be obnoxious
Samhain devs: just stating it as i see it
Samhain devs: you don thave to agree
Samhain devs: but you cant be pro-1 form of human life, then cool with killing
another human just cause his politics differ from you
Samhain devs: how does that make sense?
Stakkar devs: lots of people are pro-life and pro-death penalty. pro-life
means not aborting babies
dev hey bt, since you're focusing on the narrow pov of pro-life for babies only, then how do you explain that the pro-lifers fought to keep Terri Schiavo alive?
You dev: hey bt, since you're focusing on the narrow pov of pro-life for babies
only, then how do you explain that the pro-lifers fought to keep Terri
Schiavo alive?
> dev that's what I wanted to know.
You dev: that's what I wanted to know.
> Samhain devs: well why are babiesthat arent necessarily babies yet
Blackthorn devs: it's pretty simple, the 60 year old guy had a legit reason to
be killed, because he had committed Grievous Offenses. (at least in other
people's eyes, if not yours). some baby has not committed any Offenses,
ever.
Samhain devs: deserve this special consideration
Samhain devs: i guess
Samhain devs: that's my question in a nutshell
Samhain devs: if life is the attribute that is valued
Samhain devs: which it should be, right?
Blackthorn devs: it's actually very simple, let me lay out the complete scene
for you here
Samhain devs: then why does it matter who/what it is
Samhain devs: i mean i see your point to an extent
Samhain devs: i dont agree with it but i see it bit
Samhain devs: +a
Blackthorn devs: no baby has ever committed any Offense, therefore never
deserves to be killed. if a person believes that someone has committed an
Offense, then that person may believe that that person deserves to die for it
(this applies to the abortion doctor and many others, such as death penalty
etc, however, as stated earlier, it cannot ever apply to a baby, it's
impossible). also, in the case of terry schiavo, just since you brought it
up, she also had not committed any Offenses
Samhain devs: i think if youre putting all this value on human life tho to
where you want to strip that choice from mothers, then you should probably
value all life i guess
Samhain devs: which is probably why ilump it like i do
Samhain devs: since i think to value all those 'babies' (even when they're not
even babies or remotely human)
Samhain devs: and disregard the mother or father or family
Samhain devs: is far more inhumane
Samhain devs: early term, that is
Blackthorn devs: in light of the Education i just presented above, you should
now realize that the most hypocritical people of all are the ones who oppose
the death penalty yet are also all up on killing babies
Samhain devs: like i said
Samhain devs: its not simple
Samhain devs: its incredibly situational and convoluted
Samhain devs: in my eyes
Samhain devs: i agree with that wholly
Samhain devs: but i dont think that's related
Samhain devs: it's trying to push ap olitical agenda
Blackthorn devs: no, it isn't, but I just decided to tack it on because it
amuses me
Monk enters the world.
Monk goes home.
Samhain devs: i agree with that
Samhain devs: but if you really think that's the truth tho

[BlooInBloo]

1. lol! Nice.