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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:34 PM Original message |
PhonyTorture Debate-Elizabeth Holtzman: "Torture Can NEVER Be Used Because The Constitution BANS It" |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. That is the trump card in the whole torture discussion. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Anyone supporting torture is advocating for the torture of our troops |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Nicely succinct, but those doing it won't get it. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Oh Silly Liberal American. Our Conserva-dems have made what's old, new again. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. Liz Holtzman has a number of very good articles |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Yes, I like reading her articles too, n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 03:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Elizabeth Holtzman is a person I've admired since the Watergate era |
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ThirdWorldJohn (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. The Scalia 60 Minutes video where he disagrees |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
6. But I thought the loophole is that the constitution only applies to domestic citizens |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Ratified Treaties (like the Geneva Conventions) hold the same authority as our Constitution. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Ratifications and digital cameras are ruining this good nation. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
9. And you cannot conceal crimes just by labeling it classified. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. K&R |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
12. Elizabeth Holtzman is the calibre I'd like to see Obama nominating for his admin's positions. |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. Then it also follows that those who refuse to hold torturers accountable... |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
16. WIMPS and BULLIES Torture...they have no class no empathy and no clue as to what they are committing |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 05:05 AM Response to Original message |
17. It's sad that we even have to point it out, frankly. That anyone argues for |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
18. It's that simple |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
19. A very good argument. |
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