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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:20 PM
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Bush On Global Warming: "U.S. action is meaningless..."
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:23 PM
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1. If he means our action so far, he's right.
:grr:
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:27 PM
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6. I disagree. Our actions so far have been to the extreme
detriment of our environment. The EPA, Fish and Wildlife, Dept. of Interior have been infested with corporate insiders, trashing nearly all environmental laws and oversight. No telling just how much damage has been done by this (choke) administration.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:53 PM
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13. I thought he meant prospective curative actions...
...like what we might do to mitigate global warming. I see what you mean now.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:23 PM
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2. Dominion theocracy is what all of them secretly Believe. n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:24 PM
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3. African nations are responsible for 3%; we and EU are responsible
for 60% One guess to which is more responsible...the US of course.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:26 PM
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4. Who the hell does this jackass think he is?
Hey Little Lord Pissypants...ever heard of a thing called RULE OF LAW?

President Bush said Tuesday he planned no new action to impose caps on greenhouse gases blamed for global warming despite the Supreme Court ruling that the Environmental Protection Agency must regulate U.S. emissions.


:banghead:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:27 PM
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5. Remember when America used to be the leader of the free world?
What ever happened to THAT?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:29 PM
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7. We still are.
We lead the world in doing whatever the fuck we want regardless of consequences
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:31 PM
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9. Bush's motto is "Fuck the world. Me and my friends are gonna get ours."

Leadership is beyond his cognitive capabilities. Greed is his only motivating factor.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:30 PM
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8. fifty years from now...
when polar bears are extinct and Orlando's underwater, people are going to look back on this and the lion's share of blame is going to fall on Bush.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:32 PM
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10. The United States Supreme Court begs to differ
Supreme Court puts foot down on global warming

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court rebuked the Bush administration Monday for its inaction on global warming in a decision that could lead to more fuel-efficient cars as early as next year.

The court, in a 5-4 ruling in its first case on climate change, declared that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are air pollutants under the Clean Air Act.

The Environmental Protection Agency has the authority to regulate those emissions from new cars and trucks under the landmark environment law, and the "laundry list" of reasons it has given for declining to do so is insufficient, the court said.

"A reduction in domestic emissions would slow the pace of global emissions increases, no matter what happens elsewhere," Justice John Paul Stevens said in the majority opinion. "EPA has offered no reasoned explanation for its refusal to decide whether greenhouse gases cause or contribute to climate change."


The full article can be read at http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/310066_scotus03.html
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:35 PM
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11. Can someone please help me with *'s al jabr?
Bush has adamantly opposed mandatory caps—warning they would cripple U.S. industry’s ability to compete with companies like India and China, which have relied heavily on cheap, dirty coal supplies to power their factories.

“Unless there is an accord with China, China will produce greenhouse gases that will offset anything we do in a brief period of time,” Bush said.

Am I reading this the wrong way? Is he really saying that there's no point reducing emissions, as China will produce that amount of emissions anyway, in a given period of time? ie. x - x = x + x??
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 06:04 PM
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15. I should be used to his brand (Exxon/Mobil) of logic by now....


but it still stupefies me that he actually believes Americans, and the rest of the world are supposed to believe that it won't matter if the U.S. does nothing to stem the amount of pollutants in the atmosphere, because China pollutes so much, that any curbs on emissions on our part won't significantly reduce world pollution.

SAY WHAT?
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:41 PM
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12. Thets why it's unfair to rekwire
"boutique fuels" some of them states are makin the average Mericun to buy.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:00 PM
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14. This is one more reason to Impeach this Asshole!
GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

1. "A Crime Against Peace." Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2550 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children, is the number one war crime according to the Nuremberg Charter, a document which was largely drawn up by American lawyers after World War II.

2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. This is defined as "A Conspiracy to Commit a Crime Against Peace" in the Nuremberg Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory.

3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. Note that the Hamdan decision actually declares Bush to have violated the Third Geneva Convention on Treatment of Prisoners of War, which means the justices are in effect calling the president a war criminal. Under U.S. and international law, if prisoners have died because of such a violation--and many have died in illegal US captivity because of torture authorized by this president--the penalty is death (a point made to the president in a warning memo written by his then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, the text of which is published in full in the appendix of our book).

4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the Constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer.

5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself.

7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. (Former Florida Senator Bob Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee until his retirement at the end of 2002, has called this the president's most impeachable crime.)

8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings.

9. Abuse of power, undermining of the Constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator.

10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming.





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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 06:16 PM
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16. Given the way this guy has dealt with issues like Iraq, Katrina, and the budget
I'm actually kind of glad he isn't working on a climate change policy. We're better of waiting a couple of years.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 06:19 PM
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17. Bush is meaningless
He is irrelevant to the process, a temporary impediment at worst. At this point, when many states are about to enact their own emissions regs for CO2, and the automotive industry is begging the federal gov't to legislate something that will usefully standardize these reductions across the board, it's going to happen. Even if the change happens over his veto or after he leaves office, it will be done.

Forget Bush. We don't need his help, and we weren't expecting it in the first place.
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