Nancy Pelosi was an accomplice to 'torture.'-By KARL ROVE

[kpete]

Congress and Waterboarding
Nancy Pelosi was an accomplice to 'torture.'


By KARL ROVE

Someone important appears not to be telling the truth about her knowledge of the CIA's use of enhanced interrogation techniques (EITs). That someone is Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. The political persecution of Bush administration officials she has been pushing may now ensnare her.

Here's what we know. On Sept. 4, 2002, less than a year after 9/11, the CIA briefed Rep. Porter Goss, then House Intelligence Committee chairman, and Mrs. Pelosi, then the committee's ranking Democrat, on EITs including waterboarding. They were the first members of Congress to be informed.

In December 2007, Mrs. Pelosi admitted that she attended the briefing, but she wouldn't comment for the record about precisely what she was told. At the time the Washington Post spoke with a "congressional source familiar with Pelosi's position on the matter" and summarized that person's comments this way: "The source said Pelosi recalls that techniques described by the CIA were still in the planning stage -- they had been designed and cleared with agency lawyers but not yet put in practice -- and acknowledged that Pelosi did not raise objections at the time."

When questions were raised last month about these statements, Mrs. Pelosi insisted at a news conference that "We were not -- I repeat -- were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used." Mrs. Pelosi also claimed that the CIA "did not tell us they were using that, flat out. And any, any contention to the contrary is simply not true." She had earlier said on TV, "I can say flat-out, they never told us that these enhanced interrogations were being used."

more bull:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124226863721018193.html

[mmonk]

1. No, she didn't act which is different. You though Karl are one.

[elizfeelinggreat]

2. Please see the quote in my signature

[malaise]

3. Call their bluff Nancy

Special Prosecutor time.

Leak away Karl.

[Fuzz]

4. I know you are but what am I.

If she's responsible, get rid of her too.

Easy solution.

[liberalmuse]

5. Wow, so Rove is admitting that he is guilty of torture?

Guess what? We're ALL accomplices. We DUer's knew what was going on, however, there was fat chance we were able to do anything about it, and we were in a similar boat with Pelosi. Granted, she could have spoken up, but that isn't the point, really. Many of us spoke up, but no one fucking listened. The point is, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Rove broke International law and committed crimes against humanity. I hope they can use this article to hang this piece of shit and his cohorts.

[malaise]

6. No he's admitting that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al

were the perpetrators.

Keep on talking Karl. Thanks for the heads up but we already knew.

[liberalmuse]

10. Better yet.

I couldn't read the entire article. Rove is nauseating. I'm sure when these men are prosecuted they'll rat out Rove. Should I hold my breath?

[DS1]

7. Speak for yourself. I'm not an accomplice.

[KittyWampus]

24. No, we're not all accomplices. Maybe wearing hair shirts is your thing. But most of us did our best

to protest, inform others, stop the torture and get rid of the criminals.

I'm not into blaming the victims.

[Fuzz]

8. In their fevered desire to 'get' Pelosi they are implicating themselves.

[mmonk]

11. Cornered animals do not think, they only react on their primeval instinct.

[Canuckistanian]

9. OK, Karl. Let's have a COMPLETE INVESTIGATION, then.

I'm sure that whatever Pelosi did will PALE in comparison to what YOU and YOUR BOSSES did.

[mzmolly]

62. Indeed.

:hi:

[Botany]

12. Department of "Look over there, Look over there."

Rove is trying to make a distraction from the real issue.

[Robbien]

21. Yup. Don't go after the people who ordered torture, go after all Dems who knew about it

Get everyone arguing about Dems.

It sounds like a stupid tacit, but with the idiots in DC the tacit works.

[Botany]

26. According to the NY Times Pelosi by law could not speak about ....

.... what she was told when was briefed. Besides their is a difference between ordering
the torture and knowing about it.

[Fuzz]

13. Lol, a freeper response to the same article

Clearly waterboarding is torture. Anybody authorizing this torture or doing this torture should be tried for war crimes. Nancy Pelosi seems guilty to me. She is no better than the Japanese thugs who waterboarded American POWs during World War 2.

9 posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:25:59 AM by Duke of Beaufort (Duke of Beaufort)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2250769/posts

[Johonny]

34. lol

[tridim]

55. Oops! That's a good one :)

[L. Coyote]

14. How about testifying under oath KKKarl???

Where was this puke when called to testify before Congress under oath?

[mod mom]

51. Surely you jest. That POS wouldn't think twice about lying his fat ass off under oath.

Why hasn't his sorry ass been hauled before the Judiciary yet, btw?

[struggle4progress]

61. Great idea. We need to hear everything about which he has first-hand knowledge

Rove was in the Oval Office frequently, and if he saw Pelosi there making policy he needs to tell us about it. There's just no substitute for raising a hand to speak under penalty of pejury

[SoCalDem]

15. See what happens when dems are "compliant" ?

Republicans keep track of every "lackey" they can get to vote with them, or to look the other way, and when THEY get called on the carpet, they immediately trot out the ones from "across the aisle" who were either with-em" or who looked away while they broke the law..

This is what "bipartisanship" is really all about.. Get some Liebermans, some Pelosis, some Dodds, etc to vote a certain way in a crucial vote, and you have "cover" for later on..

Notice that THEY do NOT do it, though, they all vote NO..and bravely take their lumps, if things go poorly, but even then they rant on about "voting their conscience" , and their constituents back them up..

This shit ALWAYS ends up with dems being blamed for stuff republicans do, because they STILL control the media-agenda..

[Fuzz]

42. That's why we MUST prosecute

[cali]

16. Rove? Really? Why post Rove on this? Does anyone here

really think he's credible about anything?

[KharmaTrain]

17. More Red Meat For The Pelosi Haters...

Karl sure thinks he's got a winner here. The Harmon fiasco has opened a can of whoop ass on Pelosi...especially from those on the left who have had no love for her for putting things "on the table". He's hoping he can divide and conquer...amp up the ????? around the Speaker and hope those on the left who hate Pelosi will join in on the song and hem her on from two sides. As has been seen here on DU, there are some who relish the chance to see Pelosi go down and here's the best shot they've had. She is condemened as either an appeaser or conspirator and Karl gladly throws the red meat. Let's see if they take the bait.

[lunatica]

18. Methinks Karl knows he's going down but he's determined he's taking others with him

The stench of panic is thick

[Lilith Velkor]

39. Methinks Karl has been reading DU, and saw an angle with which to run

The stupid runs deep here, but maybe this article will snap some out of it.

[fumsm]

19. Sorry, I don't trust her either. I say..

We throw her in and raise them a Rockefeller, put the whole damned bunch in Gitmo. Fuck all these lying politician bastards.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

20. Rove and the Republicans are doing this as deflection/obfuscation

and Democrats are too chickenshit to make the correct response to this gambit, which is "We will investigate torture in open, full, public hearings and let the chips fall where they may."

By NOT doing this, Democrats have allowed the Republicans as usual to conquer with their new frame which is "Dems were involved too" and "If it's so bad, why didn't Nancy Pelosi do anything to stop it?" thus replacing the REAL issues of:

Who ordered it, who fulfilled it, who knew about it, why was it ordered, how was it carried out, how and why was it covered up, how many were tortured by how many torturers, what were the results (which might include intel, most of it bad along with deaths, homicides, etc.)

There is no way in a comprehensive investigation of torture that Nancy Pelosi's name WON'T come up, but in such a peripheral role that it will be all but lost( good for her) while it will also pinpoint the issue that there has to be a way for people who become unwilling or unwitting accomplices to illegal acts that are shrouded under the National Security blanket to have an official way in which to voice objections for the official record and possibly a way to make public their objections without opening themselves up to vengeful prosecutions for spilling the beans.

So, Dems, say "You're right! We need to investigate EVERYTHING!"

(This is a dupe of an OP that I posted in GDP)

[lpbk2713]

22. Oh that funny, funny Karl. How much time do we have?

I could be here all day enumerating what Rover and his pals are guilty of.

[madmom]

23. What we most keep saying over and over, go after the perpetrator of the

crime first,then the accomplices. Because if their were/are no perpetrators/crime there can be no accomplices.

[shraby]

25. If Rove, Cheney etal keep taunting they will get

what a lot of us want..a full investigation. Pelosi and others they have implicated are going to allow the investigation to happen in order to clear their names, and getting the documents declassified for an investigation will be the only way they can.
Declassifying will be easier because so much of the information is already public due to Cheney's big mouth on national t.v.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

29. By trying to make Nancy the scapegoat and inflaming their

dumb as rocks followers who will be shouting for Pelosi's head without realizing that in order to "get" her they would have to get a whole bunch of front line Bushies first is making for some delightful irony.

I hope that Rove continues to write about Nancy's involvement since it keeps the issue fresh instead of burying it.

[Jennicut]

27. Wow the scum sure is twisting itself in knots in order to get the public to look at them as not so

bad. Karl, my dear loser, you guys still were in charge. At the top. "Accomplice" my ass. Take some responsibility for once.

[bobthedrummer]

28. KARL ROVE will be speaking at the Milwaukee Athletic Club next Tuesday.

The public is not invited, he will be giving an anti-labor speech as part of the Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce campaign against labor.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/44900357.html

I hope that he is arrested for treason and his other crimes before then-I realize it is an unreasonable hope--but he must be held accountable for his crimes asap.

[Contrary1]

30. I doubt that anyone outside Cheney's inner circle of accomplices

were made aware of what was really going on. But, if they did know, then they too are guilty and need to be prosecuted.

Stick that logic up your ass, Karl; along with everything else you have stored up there.

[Marr]

31. This is an open appeal to political corruption. These guys just don't get it.

Rove assumes that implicating key people in the opposite party will protect him from the law. That is, he assumes the political machinery will short circuit the justice system.

He has nothing to say about the criminality of his acts-- all he can say is, 'it'll smear you, too'.

[The Magistrate]

32. Persons On The Left, Ma'am, Who Delight In Attacking Speaker Pelosi Should Take Careful Note Of This

And understand they are collaborating with Rove....

[bobthedrummer]

36. scoff, scoff...

:eyes:

[The Magistrate]

40. The Marching Orders Have Been Sent To The Rightists, Sir

Leftists who act in accordance with them act as a Fifth Column.

[yodermon]

57. so the left should take its cues on whom and what to criticize from Karl Rove?

Your post is a very disappointing instance of black & white thinking. Criticizing Pelosi does not automatically align oneself with Rove.

[The Magistrate]

63. Actually, It Does, Sir: It Simply Reinforces His Line, Which Is Active Collaboration

Whether people enjoy being faced with this statement of simple fact does not concern me.

[DU GrovelBot]

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[bullwinkle428]

35. SO...we have at least one thousand pieces of evidence to show

that Karl Rove is complete lying scum, but all of a sudden, he's a fountain of credibility on this one issue?

:wtf:

[sinkingfeeling]

37. How can this be? Karl says there was no torture and that if the Prez did it, there's no

broken laws. So how can Nancy be an accomplice to anything?

[ColbertWatcher]

38. Published in the Murdoch Street Fox!? I'm shocked. What took so long Karl? n/t

[opihimoimoi]

41. Rove knew and he didn't say shit....they bare playing Bullies Fave game..."They Knew TOO"

Rove is so High School.

When this all come clear...Nancy will be alright

[spanone]

43. i'm glad that karl is admitting that the bu$h* cabal tortured..

[Javaman]

44. That's exactly what I got out of that piece of shits comment. nt

[BuyingThyme]

45. Nancy may have finally found a good reason to put the Constitution back on the table.

Thank God.

[Atman]

46. Ensnare her in WHAT, Karl? You've said you did nothing illegal!

:shrug:

.

[Hippo_Tron]

47. NO SHE WAS NOT

She would have been breaking the law if she had disclosed the information she received to anybody outside of the "Group of 8". You can't call somebody complicit because they refused to break the law.

[Swamp Rat]

48. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... blood in the water!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Goodbye KKKarl! :hi: You just destroyed yourself.:D

[backscatter712]

49. I wouldn't be talking if I were you, Karl.

Whether Pelosi knew about it or not, the fact is that ROVE WAS AT GROUND FUCKING ZERO OF THE TORTURE SCANDAL, AND WORKING GLEEFULLY AT PERPETRATING WAR CRIMES!!!

Rove should absolutely be hung, drawn and quartered for what he did,'

[redqueen]

50. .

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[devilgrrl]

52. All Rove has done is prove that Pelosi was kept in the dark all along.

If he's saying it - it must NOT be true!

[Solly Mack]

53. Fuck Rove and his bullshit

[crimsonblue]

54. Okay, just add her to the list of defendents...

Carl, maybe you and Nancy can go in together on a lawyer!

[librechik]

56. ' I know becasue that's the way we planned it---OOOPS!!!"

The CIA are paid to lie. Why should we believe them? In fact they are committing some kind of crime in releasing this classified info, aren't they? And how come Karl is in on the whole thing? Isn't he still in contempt of court and therefore sans security clearance?

Feh--what trouble these liars can make. They make truthtellers seem so plaintive and pathetic.

[karynnj]

58. I don't even have to read this to know it is sick

Nancy Pelosi tortured NO ONE, the Bush administration that Rove was part of did. At the very worst, she knew and was constrained by rules of secrecy.

The really sick thing is that Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats likely do care about this allegation - and are likely horrified their names are invoked - the Bush people don't have a conscience between them.

[GreenTea]

59. If Karl Rove is saying it, then it's absolutely a fucking lie...same old republican tactic

try to incriminate a democrat and point their lying finger at the Dems to get the slimy republicans off the hook...

[mzmolly]

60. Being "informed" does not make one an accomplice.

As Hillary essentially said of late "consider the source."