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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:03 PM
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Marijuana Arrests Set New Record for Fourth Year in a Row
Marijuana Arrests Set New Record for Fourth Year in a Row
(in Top 25 Censored Stories for 2009)

For the fourth year in a row, US marijuana arrests set an all-time record, according to 2006 FBI Uniform Crime Reports. Marijuana arrests in 2006 totaled 829,627, an increase from 786,545 in 2005. At current rates, a marijuana smoker is arrested every thirty-eight seconds, with marijuana arrests comprising nearly 44 percent of all drug arrests in the United States. According to Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), over 8 million Americans have been arrested on marijuana charges during the past decade, while arrests for cocaine and heroine have declined sharply.

The number of arrests in 2006 increased more than 5.5 percent from 2005. Of the 829,627 arrests, 89 percent were for possession, not sale or manufacture. Possession arrests exceeded arrests for all violent crimes combined, as they have for years. The remaining offenders, including those growing for personal or medical use, were charged with sale and/or manufacturing.

A study of New York City marijuana arrests conducted by Queens College, released in April 2008, reports that between 1998 and 2007 the New York police arrested 374,900 people whose most serious crime was the lowest-level misdemeanor marijuana offense. That number is eight times higher than the number of arrests (45,300) from 1988 to 1997. Nearly 90 percent arrested between 1998 and 2007 were male, despite the fact that national studies show marijuana use roughly equal between men and women. And while national surveys show Whites are more likely to use marijuana than Blacks and Latinos, the New York study reported that 83 percent of those arrested were Black or Latino. Blacks accounted for 52 percent of the arrests, Latinos and other people of color accounted for 33 percent, while Whites accounted for only 15 percent.1

Over the years, roughly 30 percent of those arrested nationally have been under the age of twenty. The Midwest accounts for 57 percent of all marijuana-related arrests, while the region with the fewest arrests is the West, with 30 percent. This is possibly a result of the decriminalization of marijuana in western states, such as California, on the state and local level over the past several years.

“Enforcing marijuana prohibition . . . has led to the arrests of nearly 20 million Americans, regardless of the fact that some 94 million Americans acknowledge having used marijuana during their lives,” says St. Pierre.

In the last fifteen years, marijuana arrests have increased 188 percent, while public opinion is increasingly one of tolerance, and self-reported usage is basically unchanged. “The steady escalation of marijuana arrests is happening in direct defiance of public opinion,” according to Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, DC, “Voters in communities all over the country—from Denver to Seattle, from Eureka Springs, Arkansas to Missoula County, Montana—have passed measures saying they don’t want marijuana arrests to be priority. Yet marijuana arrests have set an all-time record for four years running . . .”

Meanwhile, enforcing marijuana laws costs between $10 and $12 billion a year.

Citation

1. Jim Dwyer, “On Arrests, Demographics, and Marijuana,” New York Times, April 30, 2008.

UPDATE BY BRUCE MIRKEN

This story was essentially a subset of a larger annual story, the FBI’s yearly Uniform Crime Reports (UCR), and the 2006 report, released in September 2007, marked the fourth year in a row that marijuana arrests set a new record. While the UCR, as usual, got wide mainstream coverage, the only major mainstream outlet to note the marijuana arrest record was the Reuters wire service. Marijuana Policy Project staffers also did two or three local radio interviews, and the story was picked up in one form or another by a handful of other outlets—most notably Bill Steigerwald’s column in the conservative Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, an article on AlterNet, and Andrew Sullivan’s blog, The Daily Dish.

This is typical of the mass media tendency to view marijuana policy through the lens of Cheech-and-Chong stereotypes—as a trivial story of minor importance, more a curiosity than serious news. But the sheer numbers suggest it deserves more attention. Nearly 830,000 marijuana arrests are made annually, about 89 percent of them for simple possession, not sales or trafficking. That’s one marijuana arrest every thirty-eight seconds, and more arrests for marijuana possession than for all violent crimes combined. Put another way, it’s the equivalent of arresting every man, woman, and child in the state of North Dakota plus every man, woman, and child in Des Moines, Iowa, in one year—and doing the same thing every year, year after year. All of this comes at a total cost to taxpayers estimated at anywhere from $14 billion to $42 billion per year.

New national arrest statistics won’t be out until about the time this book is published, but scientific data continue to emerge that demolish the intellectual underpinnings of marijuana prohibition. Studies continue to find marijuana far less toxic or addictive than such legal drugs as alcohol and tobacco, while in Britain, where most marijuana possession arrests were discontinued in January 2004, marijuana use has steadily declined since arrests stopped, according to official government surveys. Sadly, even though the British government’s scientific advisors urge continuation of the no-arrest policy, as of this writing in May 2008, Prime Minister Gordon Brown appears determined to launch a new crackdown.

In the US, the clearest signs of progress have come from efforts to permit medical use of marijuana. Twelve states now have medical marijuana laws, and a medical marijuana initiative on Michigan’s November 2008 ballot was ahead by nearly two to one in the only public poll released so far. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has indicated he would end the federal war on these state medical marijuana laws, and fellow Democrat Hillary Clinton has also indicated some willingness to rethink federal policy. Republican John McCain has expressed support for current federal law.

Extensive information about marijuana policy and efforts to change our current laws is available from the Marijuana Policy Project, http://www.mpp.org or (202) 462-5747. A more wide-ranging newsletter on drug policy issues is the Drug War Chronicle, at stopthedrugwar.org.

UPDATE BY PAUL ARMENTANO

Since beginning my tenure at NORML in the mid-1990s, I’ve observed the growth of the annual number of Americans arrested for minor marijuana violations from a low of 288,000 in 1991 to a record 830,000 in 2006. Yet despite this nearly 300 percent increase in minor pot busts (nearly 90 percent of all marijuana arrests are for possession offenses), mainstream media coverage of these skyrocketing arrest rates remains nominal.

The media’s disinterest in this subject is uniquely troubling, given that the arrest data is derived from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report, and that other aspects of this report (for example: has the violent crime rate risen or fallen?) traditionally generate hundreds of major news stories each year. Equally troubling is the media’s habit of improperly attributing these marijuana arrest figures to NORML rather than to the FBI, the law enforcement organization that actually tracks and reports said data.

Arguably, the most disturbing result of these rising arrests is that record numbers of Americans are now being ordered by the courts to attend ‘drug treatment’ programs for marijuana—regardless of whether they require treatment (most don’t) or not.

According to the most recent state and national statistics, up to 70 percent of all individuals in drug treatment for pot are now placed there by the criminal justice system. Of those enrolled in treatment, more than one in three hadn’t even used marijuana in the thirty days prior to their admission. Yet, disingenuously, the White House argues that these rising admission rates justify the need to continue arresting cannabis users—despite the fact that it is the policy, not the drug itself—that is actually fueling the spike in drug treatment.

Finally, it must be emphasized that criminal marijuana enforcement disproportionately impacts citizens by age—an all too often overlooked fact that has serious implications for those of us who work in drug policy reform. According to a 2005 study commissioned by the NORML Foundation, 74 percent of all Americans busted for pot are under age thirty, and one out of four are age eighteen or younger. Though these young people suffer the most under our current laws, they lack the financial means and political capital to effectively influence politicians to challenge them. Young people also lack the money to adequately fund the drug law reform movement at a level necessary to adequately represent and protect their interests. As a result, marijuana arrests continue to climb unabated, and few in the press—and even fewer lawmakers—feel any need or sufficient political pressure to address it.

(Paul Armentano is the deputy director of NORML and the NORML Foundation in Washington, DC.)

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/20-marijuana-arrests-set-new-record/
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:09 PM
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1. confusing statistics. the real story
just for the record, i am against the criminalization of mj.

with that in mind, the DOJ considers an arrest to equal a criminal citation.

iow, "arrest" does not mean placed in handcuffs and taken to jail.

it means criminal charges preferred, even if suspect is released on the scene.

practically speaking, mj is effectively decrim'd in my jurisdiction. possession of small amounts of mj can result in a criminal cite (many cops just toss it and issue a warning), but when and if it comes to court, a $50 fine is about typical.

i agree with norml mission, but the stats as presented create the false impression that every mj arrest = somebody went to jail.

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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:42 PM
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12. What is the benifit of continued criminalization? nt
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:52 PM
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14. I'm guessing the point was to trivialize/downplay
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 10:44 PM
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24. no, the point was to explain the misleading statistics
truth matters.

i am AGAINST mj criminalization, but i still think people should know the facts.

the facts are that arrest =/= handcuffs and booking
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 06:20 AM
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35. It looked like the typical response one offers when they don't like where the data leads
...and you're basing it merely on your word alone, so, while you may have a point, as I said, it certainly appeared to be one of those type of 'damage control' posts usually reserved for moderates. Apologies if that's not the case.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:41 PM
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48. no problem
i am a fierce advocate for decrim/legsalization.

my posts are consistent with that.

i have been a police officer for over 20 yrs.

MANY of us believe that mj criminalization is stupid policy.

however...

i also understand the criminal justice system, and how stats are reported to DOJ.

arrest means "criminal charges preferred" whether by citation or custodial arrest.

if i pull somebody over, they have a suspended license (a misdemeanor) and i write them a criminal cite that counts as an ARREST.

my point is that these stats include both physical arrests AND cites.

i do know that many cops do give warnings and dump mj, especially with small amounts.

i also know that the VAST majority of personal possession of mj cases (not larger amounts, not possession w/ intent) result in a fine at worst.

NORML, as an advocate is naturally going to want to create the impression that people routinely get jail time for possessing a joint.

that is simply false.

sometimes people who are ALREADY on probation/parole may get some sort of short jail stay for such an offense, but your average joe? no
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:16 PM
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55. W/o having researched it I wouldn't know for certain, yet the sheer # involved either way is HIGH
....but kidding aside, this:

" ...many cops do give warnings and dump mj, especially with small amounts."

I experienced that myself when I was younger, and knew others who encountered it too. However, I also know people who most definitely were arrested for small amounts/no intent to deliver, so... I'm sure like so many things there could be regional differences that make the difference one way or the other.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 10:42 PM
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23. imo none
but that wasn't my point.

misleading statistics to forward a good cause doesn't mean they shouldn't be clarified.
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 05:52 AM
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33. Continued criminalization of recreational drugs helps support the Prison-Industrial Complex
It allows politicians in Government the ability to funnel money to a business that they have an interest in. The prison industry is good for public graft.

    It produces nothing
    Metrics are easy to measure
    There is no quality control on the raw materials (prisoners)
    Capitol investment in the plant tends produce income for a long time
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:09 PM
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2. Meanwhile, privatized jails and prisons are doing just fine, financially.
:grr:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:11 PM
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3. Yesterday I was talking to a US Marshall supervisor who told me that there has
been a sea change in law enforcement attitudes and that most law enforcement officers would like to see MJ legalized.

Beyond the issue of waste of time and resources, he said that law enforcement officers would rather respond to a call of a MJ smoker causing a problem than any other substance abuser, including alcohol because while alcohol, meth, cocaine, etc abusers have a good chance of becoming belligerent and a danger to a responding officer, no officer could ever remember somebody on MJ being belligerent or a danger to a responding officer.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:16 PM
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6. Bill Hicks has some funny bits re that
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 06:35 AM
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38. Here's the youtube clip of Hicks comparing weed to alcohol
Edited on Fri May-08-09 06:35 AM by Echo In Light
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFHU1X1PED4

"...now, maybe I wasn't getting good shit, but, auh..."
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Old Hob Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 02:07 AM
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27. MJ is job security for pigs. They don't want to see it legalized. nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 02:12 AM
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28. completely untrue and you missed the point that they were making

responding to a call where the person was high on MJ was considerably safer than anyother drug including alcohol. There is a very large segment of law enforcement that not only want MJ legalized, they would prefer people who use meth and alcohol switch to it, for their own personal safety.
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Old Hob Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 02:20 AM
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29. keep telling yourself that. I personally wouldn't believe a pig if he told me today was Friday.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 02:22 AM
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30. that kind of prejudice is more typical of freeper sites than it is here
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 06:25 AM
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36. Cops are legally allowed to lie in the performance of their duties..
It's a fact..

Why would you believe someone who has legal dispensation to lie.

Disclaimer: I have a family member that was a cop before he passed away, he was one of the good ones and he told me there were a great many bad cops and that police work changes a lot of people for the worse and that a lot of cops shouldn't remain cops for an extended period.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 06:27 AM
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37. My father, who has become more liberal minded in his old age, used to be more conservative....
...yet he told me long ago that the people who want to become cops are usually the ones who shouldn't
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:56 AM
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41. Your statement is misleading and off point.

Cops are allowed to lie in interrogations. They are not allowed to lie to get a search warrant, or in court or any situation.

Telling a suspect that they already have found the murder weapon in order to get the suspect to react.

In any case your point is off point from the ugly prejudice which is the point of the sub thread.

The newbie poster doesn't believe that there are good cops. He thinks your family member and all cops(including my wife's first husband who died in the line of duty and the hundreds that died in the World Trade Towers. . .) are pigs.

There are good cops and bad cops, calling all cops pigs is the same kind of mindless prejudice that has been used against others and should be opposed for the same reason. Beyond that who goes around calling cops 'pigs' today. I am betting that the poster is not a liberal but a troll trying to sound like one.
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Old Hob Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:45 PM
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49. Do you know why I call cops pigs? Bcuz, calling them cocksuckers would B disrespctful to cocksuckers
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:08 PM
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54. Eh, even "good" cops will stand by and do nothing while the bad ones do evil..
I can sympathize with the poster, after you have suffered sufficient injustice at the hands of a certain minority, particularly a self-selected one like police officers, it becomes very difficult to see any member of that minority as not being different.. That doesn't mean it's right but it's understandable.

And cops lie on the stand enough that there has been a word for that phenomenon for a long time now, "testilying".

I'm of the opinion that a great many of the wrong sort of people are attracted to police work and furthermore that a great many people are psychologically damaged by being cops after a period of time. The really idealistic recruits burn out pretty fast many times I suspect and either leave the force or become much less idealistic and more cynical and manipulative.

Of those who are given great authority much should be expected in terms of responsibility and that standard is far too often not met.

Indeed, in our culture it appears that the more authority you have the less responsibility you need bear.



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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:03 PM
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51. interesting
after the Rodney King debacle i developed the theory that police work should for most be more like a limited enlistment of no more than five years. it was obvious to me that the policemen involved had sunk to street level or lower in terms of their respect for human life.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:24 PM
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57. Pot smokers have been known to covet donuts.
Just sayin'.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:13 PM
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4. America, where the law is spelled JOKE! Torturers remain free.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:15 PM
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5. It would be nice if people would quit lying about it
and face the facts about how and why it was criminalized in the first place. AND that it is NOT hemp

Hemp should be legal right fucking now there is no reason on the face of the earth that a plant should be illegal
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:28 PM
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9. Hemp, MMJ and recreational marijuana are all varieties of Cannabis.
But your point is valid regardless.

Hemp - Cannabis Sativa.
Marijuana - Cannabis Sativa, Cannabis Indica, and all hybrids inbetween.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:18 PM
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7. We seriously need to decriminalize marijunna and marijunna products
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:21 PM
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8. And here's another reason pot should be legalized.
Pot is a gateway drug. Let me explain. People looking for pot will often go to their dealer and find he's out. And so with money in hand and a desire to get high they decide to buy some coke instead. If Marijuana were legal many people would never even come in contact with the dealers of other recreational drugs. Keeping Marijuana illegal makes it a gateway drug because it brings people into contact dealers that are selling other truly harmful drugs. Legalizing Marijuana will cut the sale of other drugs because the dealer networks will likely be reduced when people don't have to search for a buzz because they can't find their drug of choice.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:29 PM
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10. That seems to simple of a conclusion but I don't doubt that is true in some cases
Me it was curiousity that led me to try a cigarette, alcohol, cannabis, coke, etc. Couldn't do the heroin, :scared: of needles. Overtime I limited my use to just cannabis and cigarettes as alcohol destroys me more then any drug I've tried. Other drugs I can still maintain myself socially and function somewhat normal. However the harder stuff is just too expensive and the coke high only lasts 15 minutes or so leaving me wanting more. Anyways I was just trying to explain my experiences and it wasn't any gateway involved, I was just curious as to what it felt like.
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:31 PM
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11. Interesting. I hadn't thought of that but it makes sense.
If one didn't have to see a "drug dealer" just to get herb, exposure to harder drugs could certainly be lowered.

To expand on the idea: I have known some entrepreneurs who sold marijuana as a means to generate cash to get into bigger and badder recreational compound sales activities. Legal weed would eliminate that revenue stream for them and quite possibly cut down on the number of people dealing in harder drugs.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 05:54 AM
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34. Yup.
Most small time dealers sell only to finance their own habit. If they suddenly lose half their customer base then they can't afford their own. Most of them would likely give it up too at that point. So reducing the customer base will in all likelihood reduce the amount of dealers selling the harder drugs.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:52 PM
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13. Another way of putting it
is that if marijuana is a criminal offense, then you've already placed yourself into a criminal culture -- and the old saying applies: "You might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb."

I don't think it's quite as simple as you suggest -- gee, they're out of MJ, maybe I'll have some coke. I'm not sure the transition is that quick or uninspired. It's more the idea that you're already a criminal and you're associating, however, briefly with people who may be pushing other things at you.

Years ago, someone came to a party at my house and gave me a gram of coke. I put it on the top shelf of the kitchen cupboard, where it stayed for months until I gave it to someone else. Pot wouldn't have had quite that shelf life. So, the easy availability of coke didn't have much effect on me.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:57 PM
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15. In some circles there's likely something to it, although when I was younger and ....
...being in bar bands/running in circles where many drugs were plentiful, I found that those generally known for having good weed only dealt in weed, or hash occasionally, but not much beyond that. I'm sure people's experiences on this are naturally going to vary.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. The folks I've known
over the years who dealt in pot where kind of one-item salespeople. They weren't one-stop shopping for drugs. But then, I've led a more-or-less sheltered existence.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Back in college a LOT of the pot guys also had 'cid/shrooms.
However, I don't think we ever thought of one as a substitute for the other.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 03:45 PM
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19. LSD purchases were rarely ever from the tried n true high grade weed folks
Looking back on it, anyhow. Been many yrs since I sought that out, although went about w/a headful of blotter for about three of my teenage yrs. It's sort of a self-limiting drug/experience...you get out of it what you're going to, and from there it's diminished returns.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. I'm pretty sure they don't make acid anymore, anyhow.
I haven't checked in years, but you sure don't hear much about it anymore. :shrug:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 06:41 PM
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22. May be? I dunno, although I highly doubt it's a matter of no longer being manufactured...
...but rather of, say, how it pertains to the various segments of people who wish to alter their consciousness in that manner, versus other street drugs that may currently be more common/popular ...but in some instances are what I consider to be far more unhealthy substances - for mind and spirit - than the various forms of hallucinogens. Definitely.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:37 AM
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39. Haha! I wasn't being series.
But I appreciate your response nonetheless.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 05:56 AM
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58. No prob. Couldn't read the humor in your post, so thought you were really wondering
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 05:33 AM
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32. A lot of the dealers I knew back in the 70's started out selling pot only.
They generally don't do it to make money but to pay for their own stash. Then during the Reagan years they cracked down and pot became scarce. It wasn't uncommon to call your dealer and hear him say "I'm all out of pot but I've got some coke." And when you're young and you've got a weekend coming up, you want to go to a party and you need a little something other than booze. That was how a lot of people were introduced to coke.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:14 AM
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40. Reminds me of a joke:
Listen: I DON'T DO DRUGS! I'm just looking for some pot! :smoke:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 03:21 PM
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16. Gotsa LEGALIZE IT. k/r nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 03:55 PM
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20. Insane
Meanwhile, my 15 yr. old son asked me today after school if weed will be legal by the time he's 18 and if it will be available in carton form like cigarettes.

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:35 AM
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25. K&R
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:51 AM
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26. Expect no help from Obama on this issue.
Apparently he sees no value in legalizing or even decriminalizing marijuana.

Now we have Ahhhnold the Governator wanting to discuss the possibility of legalization in CA, and he's a republican for cryin' out loud.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 02:22 AM
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31. 2007 was even higher...






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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:34 AM
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43. 326,850 under Bush 41
734,497 under Clinton
872,720 under Bush 43

It gets worse over time.

That number better drop under Obama!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:01 AM
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42. Isn't this all really about prison workers jobs and private prison company profit?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:14 PM
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44. Yes! ... although it's also mired in the ideological war the Right has waged for decades
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:41 PM
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47. I view the War Against Some Drugs in a more cynical vein.
I believe this so called war is targeted at and disproportionately affects those; least able to defend them selves, while also serving to disenfranchise them from society and participation in voting for their government.

This was the precursor to corrupting the election process via unequal voting procedures and rigged electronic counting systems.

In short I believe "The War Against Some Drugs;" is corrupt in and of it self, waged solely as a means to attain or maintain power and wealth, and not based or grounded on any legitimate ideal.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:57 PM
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50. Absolutely. They have to find a way to marginalize the "surplus" population
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:22 PM
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45. Weird. You get busted for having a roach in the ashtray...
but walk for designing a program for torturing hundreds if not thousands of people.

Who knew?



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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:26 PM
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46. That's American "reality" for ya!
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:06 PM
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52. Reminds me of a friend I had in the Army
He drove the North fort Gate at Fort Lewis and was subjected to one of those random car inspections. He had as you said a roach in the ashtray had his car impounded and put in the MP station(jail). lol, a 6 pack in the back seat would've been just fine.
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:43 PM
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53. I think this increase is primarily beacuse of
Bush and State Supreme Courts (Texas) have been fervently trying (and succeeding) in turning America into a police state. In Texas, cops can do just about anything and the ordinary American has no legal recourse against them. I think we need to start requiring high school class mates to testify to the character of cops when they were in high school. Oh, so you we're a low performing bully? Fuck off asshole, we already have enough of your kind in the force. Its shit like this that makes the youth (and other 'guilty' groups) scream FUCK THE POLICE
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:22 PM
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56. Correct me if I'm wrong (I may be) but didn't this big upturn in arrests begin w/Clinton admin?
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