College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader

[walnutpie]

COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.

“They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, ‘Give me your wallets and cell phones,’” said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.

Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.

That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.

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[StrongBad]

1. Man bites dog. Now that's a story!

[Echo In Light]

2. Being able to keep a cool head under pressure is indeed a big +

[phantom power]

3. "One female student was shot several times during the crossfire."

Little detail they threw in at the end.

[sixmile]

6. if only she'd been carrying, too

but seriously, I like hearing about bad guys getting what's coming to 'em.

[Echo In Light]

7. "She is expected to make a full recovery."

[Stellabella]

11. Physically, at least.

Emotionally, that's another story. The term 'full recoveries' with traumatic injury is a misnomer.

[Echo In Light]

13. Oh, I agree. This entire incident is quite odd...makes me wonder if there isn't more to it?

[Stellabella]

17. I'm sure there is.

n/t

[grantcart]

18. There is more to this story

And I would bet that a commercial pharmaceutical transaction was also a part of the evenings' planned activities.

[ManiacJoe]

54. The video report adds some interesting facts.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

25. That's odd I have broken bones. torn ligaments and tendons and made a full recovery.

[Winterblues]

38. Did you receive them in a gun battle?

It is one thing to fall down and break your arm and quite another to be shot up in a gun battle. There are some real emotional scars involved in the latter while almost everyone has experienced the former in one degree or another..

[anonymous171]

39. I would rather be injured in a gun fight than die be executed by a home invader.

But, then again, I don't have an irrational fear of guns.

[Winterblues]

42. And that has exactly what to do with PTSD or emotional distress?

:shrug: Just another gun enthusiast rationalizing their love of guns or else their intense fear of all around them....

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

48. On one hand you would be dead and on the other you would be alive. Duh.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

45. Both clearly fall under trauma in medical terms as do sprained ankles, burns, etc.

Several of my injuries have come from falls from burning buildings, they were all traumatic injuries also. I have fully recovered from all of them. The simple fact is that most people fully recover from traumatic injuries. It is a subject I am familiar with as a Pre-Hospital Trauma Life Support Instructor and a Fire Officer and Paramedic in a city that runs a lot of trauma.

David

[Stellabella]

76. I'd expect that person to say that.

Ignore is your friend!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

84. I'm not familiar with Winterblues, regardless I don't use ignore.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

10. That's better than the alternative.

[phantom power]

22. What alternative is that?

Only one person in this story fired a weapon. It was the college kid who put his friend in the hospital. They shouldn't even have used the word "crossfire." Only one person was shooting.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

24. I'm sure the criminals were asking if they had enough bullets for the next job.

They were probably going to call 911 right after they shot them so they would have the best chance for survival.


David

[Indy Lurker]

35. crossfire is correct

Why did you assume only one person was shooting?

That was never stated in the article.

The linked article was simply incomplete or edited down.

Another article has more detail, and states:

"The other suspect escaped, but not before shooting the woman he tried to rape. She is recovering at Grady Hospital in Atlanta."


http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2009/05/college-park-home-invasion-lea.html

[slackmaster]

60. The unknown alternative of what the two gunmen would have done had nobody acted defensively

Which could have been just about anything, but it's a safe bet it would not have been peaceful or pleasant.

You really ought to read the story.

[LisaL]

69. Oh I see. Both articles mention the attempted rape.

I guess according to you that would have been the best alternative.
:eyes:

[quiller4]

77. According to the report I read the perp shot the girl

fired his weapon as he retreated.
WSB News

College Park Home Invasion Leads to Deadly Shootout
By Jay Black @ May 3, 2009 7:09 AM Permalink | Comments (7) | TrackBacks (0)
(WSB Radio) A home invader is dead and one person is wounded after two men try to break into a College Park Apartment Sunday morning, police said.

The College Park police department said the two men tried to break into a unit of the Southern Lakes Apartment around 4:00 a.m. Sunday. The suspects the apparently tried to rob the group and also tried to sexually assault one of the women at the party.

Authorities said one of the party-goers had a gun and fought back. He shot one of the suspects. That man was found dead in the street.

The other suspect escaped, but not before shooting the woman he tried to rape. She is recovering at Grady Hospital in Atlanta.

Police have not released the victims names.

[noiretextatique]

32. she's expected to recover fully

also in the article. at least she wasn't raped before she was shot, and probably killed.

[jody]

4. When seconds count, police are only minutes away or perhaps hours. n/t

[bertman]

30. I love that one, Jody. Keep it coming.

[OhioChick]

43. Like here in Cleveland. n/t

[sendero]

66. Exactly..

... when I hear that old canard "police protect you", I know better.

Police come after the fact and if you are lucky they will secure the crime scene, gather the evidence and facilitate justice.

It is a rare case indeed when the police protect anybody.

[JVS]

5. .

:popcorn:

[NightWatcher]

8. "gun out of a backpack"? had someone been carrying at school

[Echo In Light]

9. Plenty of oddities within this story, eh?

[The Doctor.]

37. My God! With that kid carrying, it could have been another V-Tech!

When will they ever learn?!?

[slackmaster]

61. What's wrong with carrying a gun in a backpack?

:shrug:

Even if the guy with the gun didn't have a permit to carry it in public, at the time of the incident he was on private property where carrying a concealed weapon is perfectly legal in most places.

[havocmom]

70. In some states, a back pack is considered luggage

and that does not always constitute a concealed carry.

But yeah, PRIVATE property is also not a concealed carry.

[michreject]

75. So what if he was?

[konnichi wa]

12. When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

;-)

[Arctic Dave]

14. This story sounds weird. The masked burglars counted bullets,

WTH is up with that? I think some more undisclosed details will come out of this one.

[NightWatcher]

15. I imagine the seen from Dirty Harry

I bet you're asking yourself, did he fire six shots or only five? Well, are ya feeling lucky, are ya ...Punk?

[grantcart]

19. Of course

I am willing to wager $ that a commercial pharmaceutical transaction was part of the events unreported.


Discussion of how many bullets one has seems to be a particularly difficult point to believe.

[havocmom]

72. Perhaps making sure there would not be any left over witnesses?

And possibly not overly practiced at the crime thing, nor disciplined in their planning.

[Tim01]

16. Jesus. That was going to have a really bad ending.

Thank god for one brave student with a gun. How awful.
Train hard.

This makes me kind of sick to think where this was going before the good guy pulled the gun.

[Caliman73]

20. Tragic

Sad that anyone had to die and the woman was injured. I am sure more will be revealed. Fortunately the headline wasn't "Several college students dead after execution murder during home invasion".

[Fountain79]

86. Why is that tragic?

They broke into a home and appeared to be ready to rape the woman. The college student defended himelf and his friends. I say kudos....

[Caliman73]

89. Any death is tragic.

I am all for self defense up to and including lethal self defense. It is still tragic that the student had to kill someone and now has to carry that with him. It is tragic that the two men who invaded the apartment felt that a life of crime was viable and necessary. It is tragic that the woman who was almost raped and was injured has to carry that with her as well. I believe that the student made the only choice he felt he had and his actions did save the lives of his friends. I would hope that in a similar situation I would be able to have a clear enough head to act similarly to save loved ones. I do not however celebrate death.

[WI_DEM]

21. Good.

[guruant]

23. I love how...

there are some people on the board who will discredit this story just because people used firearms to defend themselves and their property.

But oh yeah I bet there were "pharmaceutical transactions" just because they were college students.

Right. Unless my sarcasm meter is broken.

[rufus dog]

27. I happen to agree that it is HIGHLY likely that a drug transaction was part of the story

May not have been that night, may have gone down earlier.

Use a bit of logic, armed gunmen go in to College students apartments in masks to rob them. (what is the logic for an armed robbery of college students, is it likely they would have a lot of cash? If yes, why would they have a lot of cash in an apartment?)

It has nothing to do with defending themselves, it has a great deal to do with being illogical.

[bertman]

31. It doesn't take having a lot of cash in an apartment to instigate a robbery/murder.

All it takes is two people who are armed and who want WHATEVER their victims have. Try credit cards, $150 in cash between those kids, how about some jewelry?

We had the President of UNC at Chapel Hill student body murdered here last year by two thugs who killed her for her fucking credit card. They got caught because their pictures were on the video at the ATM. So, you can see that they were very careful and selective in their choice of victims.

We are not dealing with rational human beings but you assume that we are. Why?

[Shell Beau]

71. My aunt was raped during a break in. The only thing the guy took

was $20. There was much more there to be taken.

[noiretextatique]

33. it's quite possible they did have money

morehouse and spelman are not cheap. rape also seems a motive.

[ecstatic]

62. There is a lot of crime in Atlanta

Nothing more, nothing less. Doesn't mean the students were drug users/sellers.

[Dark]

83. College students often have laptops, video games, etc.

Those are worth some money and are easy to carry.

[Regret My New Name]

36. The story sounds funny though...

I no issues with people defending themselves, but even I thought it sounded a bit funny.... The whole thing about them talking about the bullet count sound contrived, not to mention the guy having a gun in his backpack??? Ehnnn...

[ecstatic]

64. I don't blame anyone around here for carrying a gun

If I had the will, I would too, but for now I'm armed with a taser (was a gift, lol). This can be a very dangerous town. The story doesn't sound "funny." It sounds like students holding a party were targeted for robbery and rape and that a guest turned the tables on the criminals.

[Scout]

82. and what were the armed gunmen DOING when the student

was fishing his gun out of his backpack? Was he in the other room? Did they just ignore him? Does not sound right...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

47. I'm in both camps.

I think the story smells of a drug robbery AND I'm happy the kids were able to defend themselves.

I guess I feel that way because it seems odd to invade a house with 10 people in it.

I had friends robbed in a VERY similar fashion - University of Illinois Champaign circa 1984ish.

Their situation worked out with no one hurt but it COULD have gone very badly as they too were tied up.

[L0oniX]

26. K & R for gun defense.

[nichomachus]

49. Yeah, here's another heart warming story of gun defense

People will think twice about dissing this dude in the future:

Detroit -- Seven people were injured in a shooting Friday night outside of a party at a hall on the city's west side.

The victims, whose injuries were not life-threatening, were shot about 11:30 p.m. on the 13200 block of Puritan, Detroit Police Sgt. Eren Stephens Bell said.

Investigators said a teen got into an argument with a group of people in the hall and was told to leave. When the group left, the person involved in the altercation returned and fired at them as they walked out of the hall, Stephens Bell said.

Always keep a gun handy in case someone pisses you off.

[L0oniX]

57. Ah ...another fair and balanced response. Haven't you got anything better to do...

other than cause division amount the DU members of whom over 50% own guns? If you really want to read up on some balanced gun defense use try this site --> http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html ...I doubt you will though.

[nichomachus]

65. I'm just pointing out that

what counts as a "reason to fire" varies widely among people. Some people feel justified in blasting away at a stranger standing on their front sidewalk without even knowing why they're there. Others feel free to fire when they "feel" they are in danger -- whether they are or not.

Some cases are clear-cut -- and of course the gun crowd trots those out as proof that we should have universal gun ownership. Unfortunately, there are far more cases where the reason for shooting was deficient.

[Caliman73]

74. And you have the proof to back your claim?

Media coverage of mostly illegal use of firearms not withstanding, the statistics gathered by the doj, the fbi, and other entities overwhelmingly support defensive use of firearms where victims of crime are able to deter their attackers rather than innocents being killed. I believe the statistic is something like 2.2 million defensive uses of firearms per year versus 14,000 homicides (which includes drug and gang violence). Every known shooting is investigated and if determined to be unjustified then the shooter is charged, tried, and if found guilty, punished. If you have differnt information it would be good to see it.

[michreject]

67. Sage advice

I follow it.

[Ghost in the Machine]

88. Please explain how the gun in your story was used in defense...

Thanks,

Ghost

[NutmegYankee]

28. When the home invader says he has enough bullets, you know they intended to murder the students.

This is an obvious case for self defense.

[lumberjack_jeff]

29. Not passing a smell test. I suspect this story is incomplete. n/t

[anonymous171]

34. WTF!? That man wasn't hurting anyone.

More proof that guns are dangers to society.

[Indy Lurker]

40. His criminal partner was.

He was guarding the men while his partner was trying to rape the woman who got shot.

According to the link below, the second criminal also shot the woman he was trying to rape.


http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2009/05/college-park-home-invasion-lea.html


Do you think they were going to let these 10 live after robbing and raping them?

[paulsby]

41. also note that in every jurisdiction i have worked

it is justifiable to shoot people who are committing rape, or to prevent a rape.

of course in this case, there was a lot more than that - home invasion, they were armed, etc.

but the rape aspect alone justified deadly force.

[LisaL]

68. After reading the two articles I am confused.

Which guy escaped and which guy got killed? Did the woman got shot in a cross fire, or did the suspect shoot her?

[Indy Lurker]

79. Here's my take

To answer your question first, the student shot and killed badguy #1 who was guarding the men.

badguy #2 shot and wounded the woman he was raping while he was escaping out the window, possibly being shot at by the student as well.


Here is my THEORY, putting the pieces together.

The two criminal went to a college apartment looking to rape a woman and her roommate, then kill them and take their belongings.


I bet we will see the apartment was rented by two women. The criminals probably had seen / stalked them before.

Had theft been their goal and not rape, they wound have gone to a professor's house, and not a students.

When the criminals broke down the door, they were surprised to find 10 people inside, thus the bullet comment, “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” since the plan was to only kill 2 they had to count bullets to see if they had enough to kill 10.

When the first badguy got shot, the second badguy tried to kill the woman he was raping, to eliminated the obvious witness who could identify him. The student took at least 1 shot at him as he was jumping out the window, giving rise to the crossfire phrase in the article.

[Greyhound]

46. Are you really that deranged?

Unfuckingbelievable.:wow:

[Hassin Bin Sober]

50. It was SARCASM.

[Greyhound]

52. Ah...

Things don't always translate in writing I've done it myself, thus the smilies.

[Regret My New Name]

78. In your defense...

You never know on the internets... I wrote the person's comment off as sarcasm, but I won't be too surprised if he/she turns out to be serious.

[Shell Beau]

73. Wait. What? Wasn't hurting anybody? Really?

[nichomachus]

44. Give everyone a gun at their 12th birthday -- make this a safer America

We won't be safe until we have 50 to 100 shootouts a day.

[ManiacJoe]

53. You seem to have an odd sense of "safe".

Yes, I realize that you forgot the sarcasm tags.

[jody]

55. We would be much safer if convicted felons who use firearms serve max years for that crime and

sentences for using firearms should be served consecutively with other sentences.

Any sentence for using a firearm is ineffective if a judge lets a criminal serve it concurrently with other sentences.

[nichomachus]

56. We would be much safer if we weren't a gun obsessed society

When I'm in other countries, I feel perfectly safe walking the streets at night -- even at 3 or 4 a.m.

In most US cities, I'm cautious about where I drive -- with my doors locked -- at any time of the day or night, but definitely at night. You never know who has a weapon in their backpack and what they perceive as a justified reason for using it on you. It could be as simple as looking at them the wrong way -- or looking like someone they have a beef with -- or just being in the way while they spray the neighborhood with bullets.

[jody]

58. FBI stats show disproportionate rates of violent crime between ethnic groups like homicides seven

times greater.

We need to identify the true causes for such disparity and solve them rather than trying to pass laws that disarm law-abiding citizens while leaving criminals well armed.

[Tim01]

63. I didn't feel as safe in Spain, Sicily, Italy, or Mexico.

My daughter feels a lot safer here than she did in Canada. I just read an article written by a British guy who said much to his surprise he felt safer when he visited here.
What countries have you been to?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

85. Of course that would be illegal. Can you stop suggesting illegal activity?

[MrSlayer]

51. Sometimes you pick the wrong person to fuck with.

And you get what you deserve.

[slackmaster]

59. Tragic waste of human life and potential

The robbers made poor choices of a career and of victims.

[JonLP24]

80. This story may be 100% true and all

But why does it only take a news article on DU to convict someone? This is possible totally unrelated to this article but constantly when I see a article about someone merely charged I see proposed forms of torture, he should get life, dp, whatever when the only evidence is an article. Everyone knows how unreliable the media is but it seems on DU an article is all that is necessary to convict someone as well as some barbaric forms of punishment meanwhile we see countless threads opposing torture for terrorist suspects. I only propose to hold back, let's not try to be the prosecutor, jury, and judge all at the same time. Flame me all you want but this is why I'm scared of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. The details are incomplete at best and the evidence has yet to be challenged. I'll leave it at that as I have no further comment as well as all other articles involving someone that is charged.

[walnutpie]

81. It was the counting bullets statement that chilled me to the bone

A year or two ago here in CT, we had a home invasion that resulted in three rapes and all but one of the victims being burned alive.

It sounds barbaric because it is true, when armed intruders attempt to take control of you, whether you accept it or not, you are already involved in a fight to the death. You can throw yourself on their mercy, or fight back.

If more people were as successfully as this guy, a lot fewer criminals would attempt such crimes.

[onetwo]

87. A guy who lived almost next door was going to kill 10 neighbors in a robbery?

Not entirely believable, IMO.

Counting bullets? Something weird about that... "contrived" is definitely the word.

I guess we'll have to wait for... the rest of the story.