Rosie O Donnell - "A Heroic Woman"

[shance]

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-overton/a-heroic-woman_b_44752.html

A Heroic Woman


"I wasn't there in New York when the 9/11 attacks happened, but if comedy has taught me a thing or two about human nature, it sure seems that the nice folks at FOX NEWS do NOT want people investigating the notion that we might've been lied to. Don't know about you guys, but nothing makes me want to look into something more than when someone tells me not to.

I proudly defend her right to draw whatever conclusion she chooses, because she has shown a kind of courage that very few people in the media have exhibited in many years and has earned my deep admiration.

(snip)

What Rosie is doing is asking for more analysis into the pivotal turning point for our nation's freedoms. Not ALL the differing stories can be authentic, but several might be. Don't throw out the entire batch without more research. Not good science. Exploring different ideas is very American. It took Edison a thousand different filaments to bring his bulb to life.

Then again, some people will still prefer to live in the dark, no matter what.

[durtee librul]

1. I watched the exchange between her and Elizabeth on the View

and I gotta tell you, I thought she was great. She didn't get nuts and go off on anyone (just a few funny faces here and there) and I think she stated the facts quite well and asked that they have a guest on who understands the physics of buildings falling down (which was hysterical as Joy said they shouldn't invite anyone from Yale as that's where * graduated)...anyhow, I thought she was great and I applaud her guts as well to go somewhere our 'esteemed professionals' fear to tread because they might have to go to the back row in the press room.

BTW, Lizzie came across as a hysterical RW'er who could only quote chapter and verse and heaven forbid Rosie ask her something not covered in her memorized talking points.

It was a great piece and anyone who has not seen it, should. I can't search on DU, so can't provide the link for you on the previous thread.

[Iwasthere]

4. Wish I would have seen it

I like Rosie. And i agree with her. These things need to be looked at, closely! Too many are closing their eyes.

[hootinholler]

14. I think it's on YouTube n/t

[shance]

7. She was terrific, wasn't she?

Calm, rational, impressive.

[mudesi]

13. VIDEO

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MiIyI6ugmUM

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. This is fantastic! She is teaching America what's happening and cutting through

the BS of our controlled media. Standing ovation for Rosie!!!!!!

[rebel with a cause]

39. I want to cry.

Instead of people calling for her to be fired, they should be calling for her to be given the medal of freedom. She was very cool and collected against the shrill of hazelnut's stupid rw talking point screaming. This is who they should be calling for the firing of: the no talent, airhead, adding nothing new to the conversation, beyond stupid, trophy wife of a quarterback - e.hazelnut. Now ask me what I really think of her. ;-)

[mod mom]

141. WOW-I've never watched that show but Rosie was great! Everyone should watch this!

Thanks for posting!

[Blue Belle]

152. She was fantastic...

She was calm, where Elizabeth was shrill and stuttering on her talking points.

[emmadoggy]

163. Holy Crap!! Rosie and Marcia Gay Harden were both great!!

I didn't see the show - thanks for the video link!

Rosie was awesome. I LOVED when she kicked in about the media and how they are all owned by four corporations "including this one", and how everyone should look outside the US for their news about what's going on in our own country!

And Elizabeth..... how pathetic. Rosie flat out asked her if she thought Iraq was connected to 911 and she blathered on about "all the evidence at the time pointed to that." Truly sad and pathetic.

Rosie has obviously been paying a lot of attention to what's been going on the last 6 years. Thank you for your courage and for speaking out for America, Rosie!!:patriot:


Edited to add: Rosie could/should be a DU'er!!

[The Doctor.]

200. Who is that blathering blonde?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

17. Much I find her irritating, I'm glad Elizabeth is on there

She provides an instructive picture of the RW worldview. She will not budge from her support of Bush, no matter what facts she is shown. Her talking points just look all the more hollow and idiotic in contrast to the others on the panel. The View has a large audience among the very crucial female voting bloc. It doesn't help matters (for her side that is) that she personifies the very image of the affluent, pampered leisure class that ordinary people loathe. She is the true face of the GOP. Her sense of privilege and entitlement positively drip off of her. So keep talkin' Elizabeth! :evilgrin:

[mudesi]

19. I wish I could agree

But past history has made it quite clear that the general population is easily influenced by right wing lies that appeal to an ignorant person's emotions rather than reason. I would rather have Hasselbeck off TV forever.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

26. I have more confidence in the general population

Don't forget that only about 25% of the actual population voted for Bush, and many of them were religious koolaid drinkers. Bush's approval ratings are in the toilet. They had to engage in all kinds of voter suppression and election machine shenanigans just to squeak a "victory" in 2004.

The View attracts a wide female audience and Elizabeth is NOT a good emissary of the Right. If she were some down-to-earth homegirl like Rosie or Joy, I'd be worried. But she comes off like a spoiled sorority girl and no one is buying her you're-all-picking-on-me victim schtick. Watch the show a few times and see how the audience reacts to her. They aren't New Yorkers for the most part either. Most of them are out-of-towners visiting and an awful lot of them come from the Midwest.

[mudesi]

34. I almost never miss the show

The real problem I have with her is that she repeats lies, just like Hannity and O'Reilly. In my opinion, Rosie and Joy are not hard enough on her, and Barbara is the biggest culprit of them all when it comes to allowing her to repeatedly spout half truths and outright falsehoods.

I once saw Joy tell a guest (I believe it was Chuck Schumer) that Ms. Hasselbeck "holds her own on the right", as if her "opinions" were at all valid, considering they are 99% of the time nothing more than complete lies.

No matter how smart you think the audience is, there are people who will fall for it, and I think you know that. Ms. O'Donnell was absolutely destroyed in the media by Donald Trump when she supposedly "lied" about his being bankrupt, but Ms. Hasselbeck consistently gets a free pass from the mainstream media for her dishonesty. I didn't see O'Reilly call Ms. Hasselbeck out for her assertion that Iraq was somehow tied to 9/11, as she says in this video, but he did spend an entire segment of his show to attack Ms. O'Donnell over Ms. O'Donnell's opinions.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. You're right about all that

But I still say she has about the same impact as Alan Colmes has on Faux Snooze. For all the indulgence and accolades she gets, she has an annoying persona that turns women off. Most of the people who watch the View probably do not watch O'Reilly so the only benefit she gets from going on his show is to reinforce the base.

[Cha]

111. Disingenuous..Joy.

hasselbeck "holds her own"..like she's auditioning for fauxnoise.

Sounds like she could give hannity, limpballs, and glen beck a run for their money. That's the kind of company she belongs in and her shame is the blood of our Soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis(who I'm sure hasselbeck cares nothing about).

[ComerPerro]

136. interesting points

[liberalla]

171. I can't stand her! Blech!!! BUT......

BUT, it's much easier to watch her now with Rosie as a balance. I record the show every day and am loving the Rosie! I couldn't watch for years (after Lisa left and Elisabeth joined)...

Joy is my favorite, and I really liked Lisa Ling. Didn't like Star Jones at all.

GO RO!!!!

[janetle]

98. I saw it!!

You characterized what happened exactly as I remember it as well. I love Rosie's willingness to challenge and state what she thinks. Frankly, at this point, I think a majority of Americans agree with her and that scares the shit out of the mainstream types.

[Kikosexy2]

198. Research Rosie...

research...connect the dots & the follow the money...and always ask "Who is benefitting financially out of this--9/11, Iraq, etc.?" Start with Bushies & the Cheneys and the Neocons and move on to Israel and so on...eventually Rosie you'll get the ugly truth...just my hunch...

[tridim]

2. We should make her an honorary "Dungeon" Master

I love that she's sticking to her guns in this matter. It has to be pissing off O'Rielly. :evilgrin:

[WiseButAngrySara]

6. LOL! "honorary "Dungeon" Master" ....n/t

[Ninja Jordan]

41. Kevin Sullivan would be proud

[Big Pappa]

129. Yes and hanging frm the tree of woe.

n/t

[Buttercup McToots]

50. Yeah!!!

I love Rosie, I always have...I wish she would make
more films...

She will hold on to this like
a dog with a bone...

[shance]

52. Buttercup McToots......*****

Well I think I've now witnessed the best username of all time.

So glad you dropped by the thread Buttercup!!***

I have always loved Rosie too. Who couldn't?

Heart (and mind) of gold, that one.

Thanks for posting.

:toast:

[Buttercup McToots]

197. Thanks Shance

Pleased tae meetcha:hi:

[Vidar]

227. Way too true.

[TahitiNut]

3. "some people"??

Katie? Is that you??

:rofl: :rofl:

[mzmolly]

5. I'm grateful that Rosie has catapulted this issue into our national dialoge.

I don't agree that it was an "inside job" but I do subscribe to the possibility of LIHOP.

On the other hand, perhaps the thought of the Government being somehow involved makes us feel less vulnerable? Perhaps there is a psychological need to feel "we must have known/been involved?"

/convoluted psychobabble. ;)

Regardless I applaud her courage to speak her mind. :toast:

[Iwasthere]

10. I suspect that at the very least...

They knew something was coming and went out of there way to make sure it would happen. That is quite obvious. No administration could mess up that bad, even this one. But I think that it is very possible that it wasn't happening fast enough for them. Then when it finally did happen, I find it very convenient for them that the buildings that came tumbling down housed a lot of documents that could reveal some interesting info.

[durtee librul]

20. That was one of Rosie's points is that WTC7

didn't appear to be hit by anything other than some good ole fashioned C4.

[Auggie]

22. Same thing with Pearl Harbor -- they knew it was coming but

underestimated the severity of the attack and the amount of casualties.

[mzmolly]

46. Were there documents in the buildings that could "shed a light?"

I guess I can't reconcile the implication that Bush is both a slave to Saudi Arabia and that he involved the Mossad in the planning of 911?

[CJCRANE]

188. I don't think Mossad was involved

in the planning - that isn't a generally accepted 9/11 truth position. They would have known it was going to happen - but just about every major intelligence agency in the world knew - judging by the acknowledged warnings from so many different countries.

[mzmolly]

71. Well, Katrina did smack of incompetence so I remain open to the idea?

I do lean LIHOP however.

[wildbilln864]

16. Please take time to...

watch this video and tell us what you think of it.

[OneGrassRoot]

21. OMG, I love you

I had no idea there was such an in-depth, concise, journalistic VIDEO showing all this!!!!! Can't watch now, but will be sitting down with my 14 y/o later. Thank you for bringing this to my/our attention.

[helderheid]

25. I got through about 4 minutes of it before I had to stop it.

[wildbilln864]

27. Why?

Why did you stop it?

[helderheid]

28. I was so creeped out - I restarted it though - this is amazing.

[wildbilln864]

30. I couln't find it on youtube yet...

I would like to see this posted in the political videos also but don't know how unless it's on youtube. It probably wouldn't get to stay there long anyway. :banghead:

[helderheid]

67. unless you are a "director", youtube vids are limited to 10 minutes

[tridim]

29. Too much truth I suspect.

[helderheid]

32. see post 28

[tridim]

35. Sorry, I'm a bit jumpy this morning. n/t

[helderheid]

36. 'Sokay

[helderheid]

24. WOW - this is Canadian news?

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

31. Prepare for incoming - the anti-skeptical corps will attack soon

nm

[mzmolly]

45. I watched the entire video, and much of the controversy was known by me.

However, I am confused. Is the implication that they got people to carry out the 911 agenda under the pretense of a training mission? How did we get people to fly planes into the WTC? And, why was it "necessary" to collapse the buildings?

Those are the questions I can't reconcile personally. Also, did the Bushies have time to plan this in a few months?

I respect the "theory" as a valid possibility, I'm just not quite on board personally.

Thanks for sharing the video.

[ljm2002]

60. I haven't seen the video yet...

...downloading now. So I don't know what their theory is of 9/11.

However I did want to address a couple of your issues. For one thing, you ask why it was necessary to collapse the buildings. I remember reading that the person who owned the buildings was losing money while operating them, and benefitted from the insurance payout after 9/11. Obviously someone who owns the WTC is a big wheel, therefore it is reasonable to assume they are well connected and have friends in high places.

Also, I remember something about papers in Building 7 that were destroyed, in a way that was convenient for Giuliani and others. But I could be wrong about that one.

So many things stink about 9/11 as far as us having any factual information. One thing that is very interesting is that there were many published reports that have never been debunked, yet which died in the first weeks after 9/11 as we all dealt with the enormity in front of us. These include reports about the put options on AA and UA, the warnings that Willie Brown and others received not to travel on 9/11, and others too numerous to mention. My hunch is that during that chaotic time, reporters were actually doing their jobs and reporting factual information as it came in. Then the stories that followed the chosen narrative were reinforced, while the other stories were essentially suppressed. And the next step was to relegate these stories to the conspiracy corner, where it all could be lumped together and ridiculed.

In any case, the first question to be asked is: who benefits? It does not prove guilt or complicity but is an invaluable tool in the investigator's arsenal, often providing signposts along the way to finding the truth.

If I had one wish about the 6+ year nightmare we are still living, it would be to find out the whole unvarnished and undeniable truth about 9/11. I suspect it is a lot worse than most of us are willing to imagine.

[wildbilln864]

69. Well here's my opinion...

about your queries.
"How did we get people to fly planes into the WTC? And, why was it "necessary" to collapse the buildings? "
I think they used remote control and took over the planes. Look into FTS(Flight Termination System). We know that the flight recorders were recovered according to one FBI man so why not let us have the evidence that's on them? Maybe it would show that the aircrafts were taken over by remote control?

It was necessary to colapse the buildings to attain maximum psychological effect! It was "shock and awe"! Had the buildings not collapsed then people wouldn't have been so stunned! Also to destroy the evidence hence building #7!
:hi:

[mzmolly]

70. But they have the phone calls from people to family saying that hijackers were on the planes?

:shrug:

[wildbilln864]

78. Or so they say...

snip/
System Planning Corporation has the technology and has worked with the Pentagon for 25 years. Their Flight Termination System has the capability to take over control of up to 10 flights and terminate their mission. FTS can obtain control and navigate aircraft hundreds of miles apart from a central location. On their website they describe their Flight Termination System:

And cell phones don't work at high altitudes!

[wildbilln864]

83. Consider this....

Link

[mzmolly]

94. I don't think they could simulate my hubands voice, tone

manner in a way that I'm accustomed to? But again, I don't deny the possibility of MIHOP.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

207. they didn't

[coznfx]

165. I think the hijackers actually flew the planes.

These planes can damn near fly themselves, I believe the two that hit WTC took no super skilled feat of piloting (unlike the one that allegedly hit the Pentagon but that is another thread).

My thoughts are:

Bin Ladin / Al Queda are heavily linked to Saudi Arabia. 41 & 43 & Cheney (among others) are great pals with Saudi Arabia and their various Grand Poobahs. So, when intel shows up around, say, early 1999 that Islamic terrorists are developing a plan for an airplane attack on US buildings, PNAC immediatly sees how this could work to their HUGE advantage, with only a few adjustments. So they schmooze the Saudis to schmooze the terrorists and tell them that, per word from high US gov't, if they'll hold off their attack on, oh I don't know, the WTC until PNAC gives them the high sign, the result will be much more satisfactory for their cause. The terrorists say OK.

Initiate the planting of explosives etc., etc., during 2000 & 1st half of 2001. Begin the behind the scenes work to get certain names removed from No-fly lists. Arrange for drivers licenses and flying lessons for several folk of Arabian descent. Coordinate all the details and tie up loose ends. Sometime around July 1, 2001 or so, PNAC tells the terrorists to go for it at their convenience , but inform us (PNAC) 3 or 4 weeks in advance of the actual finalized date of the deed.

Those 3 or 4 weeks are used to schedule exercises / war games / whatever to get those pesky jet fighter responders occupied elsewhere, to let PNAC card holders to dispose of their airline stocks, remove, I mean, steal the gold bars from WTC7, and so forth.

On 9/11, as long as one plane managed to hit a tower, all three buildings would be destroyed. In such a case, they'd make up some BS about how vibrations, or cracks in the bedrock from the collapse of the damaged tower, or the dying curses of the trolls & ogres who lived under the tower, weakened the structure of the remaining tower causing it and WTC 7 to fall. I mean, there's damn little they could say that would be a bigger pantload than their 'official' version of the actual events of 9/11.

End result - terrorists got what they wanted beaucoup, PNAC got their excuse to plunder Iraq and create Amerika, Silverstein (I think that's his name) got his insurance $$, various govenmental / corporate occupants of WTC got to vaporize God knows how much incriminating evidence about God know how many treasonous crimes against America. Hell, it was win - win - win for everyone!

Everyone except the 99.9% of us who aren't PNAC or Fortune500 CEO's, and 3000 unwitting pawns sacrificed for the despicable, unhuman greed and power-lust of the .1% who are.

[wildbilln864]

226. Very possible!

:hi:
We'll never know until we have a thorough investigation!

[Forkboy]

73. I'm with you for the most part,but I can answer the planning question.

If you believe that they did it,and sadly I can't rule that out about my own government x( ,they would have been planning this well before the 2000 theft.

PNAC was what,1998? They needed two things to achieve what they wanted.A puppet president*,which they got through...ah...interesting means,to be polite about it.And a catalyst to get the support they needed to start a war,which they also got through...ah...interesting means,to be polite about it.

They didn't just hatch the plan after they stole office.I'm no expert,obviously,but there's no way this could have been planned and executed in anything under than a year,at a minimum.

*I believe Bush is the perfect choice.Unlike Cheney I believe Bush truly believes he is patriotic and doing what's best for the country.He's a malleable simpleton that a three year old could manipulate effectively.How easy do you think it is for Cheney to do it?

[mzmolly]

74. That makes some sense.

sadly I can't rule that out about my own government

I'm with you on this, and I do remain 'open' to the possibility. I just need someone to connect the dots given the theory on the collapse is debated in academic circles.

Thanks FB! Long time no see. :hi: LOVE the sigline.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

105. Re: no way this could have been planned and executed in anything under than a year,at a minimum.

I could never find this on the web, believe me I tried.

I remember something said on the news (right after 9-11-01) about how the planning started in September of '00. That would mean the plan went into affect right after the 2000 RNC, when Bush was named the GOP candidate.

[Joe Chi Minh]

88. Tell me. How did you form the impression that Katrina was incompetence?

Bush was warned by ALL of the professionals concerned well in advance. Early enough to have strengthened the levee protection, early enough in terms of the meteorologial catastrophe that was threatening, and was eventually realised.

Why were all those African Americans imprisoned in those stadia, and those that escaped forcibly turned back at a state border. Why was the panoply of state not directed to evacuate those people asap, and in the meantime supplied with life-saving drinking water? Why were the requests of the physicians working "on the ground" ignored?

You seem to have a strangely tenuous and confused "take" on matters that are not arcane in the slightest, and in the case of Katrina incompetence, glaringly wrong.

[mzmolly]

104. Largely because the fallout was the beginning of the end of the Neocons.

I don't think it was a premeditated hurricane, frankly. ;) My take is not confused simply because I don't share your beliefs. I understand the consequence of Republican every man for himself-ism. Katrina is an example of what gutting an infrastructure will do to a nation. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/01/AR2005090102261.html

I really resent the fact that people can't disagree without statements like this: "You seem to have a strangely tenuous and confused "take" on matters that are not arcane in the slightest, and in the case of Katrina incompetence, glaringly wrong." :eyes:

[Joe Chi Minh]

106. Do you think that gutting the nation's infrastructure was down to incompetence then?

Or deliberate?

[mzmolly]

126. It's Republican political philosophy to give tax breaks to the wealthy, and screw over those not so.

Katrina demonstrated why their limited representation of a small section of America, doesn't work. That said, it doesn't mean that Bush co. wanted to kill people in New Orleans. Republicans are out of touch in Marie Antoinette fashion. They just don't get it. They don't understand that spending $ up front, saves us $ in the long run. Investing in the poor/middle class is not only compassionate, it's practical.

[Joe Chi Minh]

199. So you think their "limited representation of America and screwing over those

not so, is accidental? Strange. You make them sound like mindless automatons.

We know this lot are heartless, but you appear to see no connection. The Republican ethos has wound them up like a clock-work machine and put them on a set of rails, which they must follow. So they can't be considered formally culpable, as well as actually culpable, because they were only doing what clockwork machines do? Drive the vehicle that they are employed to move, on the set of rails placed under them by the history of their party? Incompetence designed into the mechanism. Doesn't sound at all plausible to me.

[mzmolly]

201. No, I don't think their policies are accidental. I think they're misguided.

We know this lot are heartless, but you appear to see no connection. Pardon me, but MY ASS I "see no connection." I realize they are heartless. I've lived in poverty in this country under Repulican rule. However, their heartless policy doesn't mean they had a premeditated notion of murdering Katrina victims. It means they are clueless. Also, I never said they aren't responsible. They are and they should be held accountable.

I'll be glad to discuss this when you're done with the numerous strawmen.

[Joe Chi Minh]

211. Good picture, but you don't seem to have grasped that they had plenty of time

to meditate before the breaching of the levees, while the experts were plying them with warnings of the inevitable consequences, if the approprate measures were not taken.

Considering the uniform advice of the experts on the inevitablility of an event occurring without remedial action, constitutes premeditation. The fact that the advice was routinely discounted doesn't mean that no thought was given to the advice or to the decsison to ignore it.

[mzmolly]

213. Don't tell me what I "grasp."

What you don't seem to grasp is that the Bushies blame the "locals" for not taking proper measures. Katrina was not premeditated murder, it was a failure of Republican Policy.

[Joe Chi Minh]

231. I don't conjecture, I KNOW what you are refusing to grasp, when it has been

painstakingly spelt out to you! None so blind...

The failure of Republican policy came about by accident, then? The ignorance and incompetence fell down out of the sky? Rather, from the nether regions.

Or perhaps The experts werent able to simplify their messages to Bushco sufficiently for their retarded intelligence, is that it? Or the latter were so retarded, they mistook the clear and detailed, technical warnings of the experts, for conjecture based on anecdotal input? Grow up. You are a dumbo. Or a shameless apologist for the utterly culpable and inexcusable.

Apart from Bush's ever-diminshing pool supporters, everyone else with an IQ above 70 saw clearly that it was not merely a matter of historical Republican policy, of incompetence, of involuntary ineptitude, but of single-mindedly deliberate and wilful neglect. Why don't you?

[mzmolly]

238. Republican policy of this nature has been policy for DECADES.

Another clue for ya, Republican policy IS neglect.

Katrina was a consequence of Republican ideals. As for your assertion that this was deliberate murder and American's with an IQ above 70 are aware of that, I'd have to say as an American I happen to know you're incorrect.

[CJCRANE]

194. It may not have been pre-meditated but

everyone in Europe and America (and probably further afield) who watches TV news knew it was on its way to NOLA nearly a week before it hit. And it was predicted to be a record-breaking Cat 5 hurricane.

So the old "no one could've imagined.."" excuse doesn't wash on this one either.

[mzmolly]

202. I agree.

:hi:

[jbnow]

187. I think the people in NOLA

really let bush down. For instance I've read that after the big Iran earthquake that some people got angry and even violent being left without food or water for days when they saw help go by. That's a normal response!

In Nola people were abandoned, day after night after day after night, under the worst conditions. So hot and no water, no help at all.
If they had only begun to riot...he's get authority to order in the national guard. He really, really wanted that.
But curses, they didn't riot. They somehow maintained some composure under those horrible conditions.
But he wanted that power. Posse Comitatus. He talked about it then, how he should be able to call up the national guard in this kind of emergency. He talked about it other times...saying the congress had to grant him that power. It was the first thing he talked about the first time he talked about bird flu, that he might need the national guard if there was an outbreak and congress needed to grant him that power.

I kept thinking they don't, they can't they won't. Who would grant him that power now? Perhaps if he'd asked right after 9/11 when everyone was scared and his approval was so high. Not now. It gave me creeps every time he talked about it.

But...October 2006 it was slipped into the 439-page 2007 Defense Authorization Bill. He has the right now to federalize Guard troops

http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/
Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

Congress should take that away now! bush wanted that so much and he frigging has it. The first president to have it allowed him by Congress to simply declare it...and they passed it over the objection of all Over objections from all 50 governors.
Congress tweaked the 200-year-old Insurrection Act and the Posse Comitatus Act to empower this madman that already has to much power.

Sickening. Anyway that's why the long delay, he wanted to get it then under duress.
But now he got it as a gift from congress.

[shance]

47. Wow. Thank you Wildbill.

n/t

[JetCityLiberal]

Well that was a must see

Thank you for this, still hard to watch those towers for me...I hate these terrorists in this slimy administration

They lie with such ease and have no remorse for their horrible actions all over the world.

[2Design]

122. thank you n/t

[calimary]

143. Just watched it. Has David Ray Griffin in it. He's done some pretty

extensive research on this, especially the parts involving the destruction of WTC-7 and how buildings collapse and the effects of burning jet fuel and all the rest.

I saw something of his on, I think, CSPAN or some such cable outlet. It was a presentation he gave. I found it absolutely shattering. I went into it leaning toward LIHOP. By the end of it I'd moved into the MIHOP camp.

Here's a link to an article by him:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GRI20051202&articleId=1391

Thanks for posting this. Think of it as a HUGE national itch. And we just HAVE TO KEEP SCRATCHING.

[spooky3]

8. Isn't it sad when The View is more balanced than Sunday AM "news

shows"?

See Mediamatters.org for the evidence of RW bias in the guests on Meet The Press, etc.

[shance]

18. Truly.

Everything is pretty bass ackwards these days.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. Brave, I would say.

You should see the beating she's getting from middle white suburban class America.

[tridim]

15. She's getting a "beating" from O'Rielly and OTC'ers

Where can I witness this "beating from middle white suburban class America"?

I live in a mixed middle class suburb and all I see are daily vanishing Bush/Cheney 04 stickers.

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. Republican 'burb.

Yes, the "W" stickers are vanishing, but that doesn't mean that they still can't trash loud-mouth liberals. In fact, they're trained to trash them, even when the liberals are yelling at them to get off the tracks because a train is coming.

[femrap]

128. Speaking the Truth makes them

very uncomfortable...to face such Evil in our very own government is hard to swallow. Denial is a powerful psychologically.

Also, those white suburbanites don't like lesbians...and especially when they adopt children. That's half the problem that Rosie faces.

I have admired Rosie for a long time. She is doing our country a big favor!

[The Backlash Cometh]

151. Lots of bubble communities across America

That's for sure.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

228. She's always been for the underdog

I used to get her magazine, before the editors ruined it.

She promoted adoption of older children who were often ignored and left behind.

Every month she featured some orphans and kept the issue alive.

Then, she wanted to have Christopher Reeves on the cover and do a story about
him (he was still alive, she still had the magazine),

and the editors didn't want to do it, because it wasn't pretty.

Thats when Rosie quit participating in the magazine, and it finally died.

I applaud her for being brave, and for speaking up for many of us.

I think she speaks for me.

Too bad she and Trump fight, they both hate Bush.

[FourScore]

11. Great link!

K&R:kick:

[mudesi]

12. VIDEO

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MiIyI6ugmUM

[earth mom]

23. Bravo for Rosie! I'm glad to see this on Huff Post-but here's what Overton should have included:

Blindly ignoring the stand down of the US Air Force, the insider trading on airline stocks linked to the CIA, the complicit behavior of Bush on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the WTC, the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the conspiracy theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about 19 Arab hijackers somehow managing to commandeer 4 planes simultaneously and fly them around US airspace for nearly 2 hours, crashing them into important buildings, without the US intelligence services having any idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do. The huge difficulties with such a stupid story force them to invent even more preposterous stories to distract from its core silliness, and thus the tale has escalated into a mythic fantasy of truly gargantuan proportions. It's difficult to apply rational analysis to such unmitigated stupidity, but that is the task that I take on in this article. However, it should be noted that one of the curious characteristics of conspiracy theorists is that they effortlessly change their so-called evidence in response to each aspect that is debunked. As soon as one delusion is unmasked, they simply invent another to replace it, and deny that the first ever existed. Eventually, when they have turned full circle through this endlessly changing fantasy fog, they then reinvent the original delusion and deny that you ever debunked it, thus beginning the circle once more.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=153135&mesg_id=153135

[coznfx]

167. Damn straight.

[cgrindley]

40. She's an idiot

she's an offensive asshole.

[wildbilln864]

42. But she's right!

:hi:
Deal with it!

[Quantess]

81. Yes, she often is.

But this time, she was right to say what she said.

[Joe Chi Minh]

92. The perfect response!

[Puglover]

180. I'm surprized it

took so long for you to drop in and lay one of your well thought out and insightful posts on us. :sarcasm:

[cgrindley]

182. Thank you very much

1. her stance on 9/11 is insufferable and unconscionable, an insult to the living and the dead and an affront to New York, the city in which I spend most of my waking life.

2. her stance on gun control is asinine, irrational garbage.

3. ching chong

[Puglover]

185. Ok

1. Your opinion. Wrong but hey you're entitled. On edit, because you happen to live in NYC doesn't give your OPINION anymore weight then anyone else here. I lost a friend at Cantor/Fitzgerald that day and somehow Rosie doesn't offend me or my family that I love in Bay Ridge.

2. Again, wrong.

3. I honestly don't know about this one. I've put my foot in my mouth plenty of times in my life. I sincerely hope all the good things I have done haven't been negated by that fact.

[cgrindley]

232. To believe in some asinine 9/11 conspiracy

is basically to insult the dead. It's disgusting and vile. It's gross and grotesque. It actually makes me want to vomit.

[wildbilln864]

239. Well puke on then!

You believe in an asinine 9/11 conspiracy theory yourself whether you admit it or not! Your theory, 19 Arabs, just happens to support the Bush/PNAC world dominance agenda IMHO! And it's based on lies! Wake up!

[The Count]

43. On 9.11 she was fawning over W. I wish she'd shut up so I can hear voices

like Krugman, Conason, Sy Hersch, Richard Clarke, the Wilsons - you know - the ACTUAL heroes who risked something during this administration....

[seriousstan]

44. She needs some chickenwire and concrete and PROVE this.

Nobody can deny the truth when they see the chickenwire demo.

[SidDithers]

57. Hehe...

A classic. :)

Sid

[FreeMeFromInsanity]

48. Rosie and Cindy Sheehan

Have more balls then some men I know. I'm dead serious about that statement. Those of you men who might be reading this and take heart... Well all I can say is the truth hurts. But it's never to late to wake-up and stand for freedom.

The land of liberty is at stake, we don't have much time left. This is not fear mongering, it's the F'ing Truth.

[Vilis Veritas]

61. Whew...

At least you said some men...

Peace and Love from an old Hippie...:hippie:

[shance]

49. From Rosie's blog today. Wow. Rosie for PRESIDENT!!

"9/11 affected me deeply, as I know it did many Americans. The falling of the twin towers served to remind me that many of the assumptions Americans have about their lives are rooted in false feelings of security.

In light of this reminder, I have begun doing exactly what this country, at its best, allows for me to do: inquire. Investigate. America is great in so many ways, one of which is the freedom to speak, and indeed think, freely.

I have, of late, begun exercising the rights bestowed upon me by the democratic system I value, and the exercising of these rights has taken the form of an inquiry into what happened five years ago, an inquiry that resists the dominant explanations and that dares to entertain ideas that push me to the edge of what is bearable.

I have come to no conclusions and, given the scope of the subject, will not for some time.

If the very act of asking is so destabilizing for people, than I have to wonder whether the fabric of our democracy is indeed so raveled it is beyond salvage. My own belief is that the act of asking is itself reparative, because it brings to life the values on which our constitution rests. I am, therefore, pledging my allegiance, hand over heart, trying, as always, for a rigorous truth."

[Vilis Veritas]

65. Smedley Butler...cool sig.

Great General.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Must reading for anyone on DU.

[shance]

80. Thank ya saddle and welcome aboard!

And thanks for the great link.

Smedley's definitely da man.

;)

[helderheid]

68. EXCELLENT!!

:applause:

[Beam Me Up]

97. President's should exhibit such courage and intelligence. n/t

[libnnc]

51. Rosie is my kind of people.

She's what my late sister in law called, PLU--"People Like Us." Rosie is PLU in spades.

Since the very beginning of her TV career, I've loved Ro. Always have. Always will.

So sue me. :patriot:

[Quixote1818]

53. I have really gained a lot of respect for Rosie lately

She is a true Patriot!

[Catchawave]

54. Nice to see so many Rosie fans on DU :)

I never EVER watched The View until she joined, and Baba WaWa "knows" I'm not the only one :D

In my perfect world, she would be in the MSNBC Primetime lineup, she needs her own show! Afterall, she's not nearly as hateful as Billo or Beck, and much more intelligent in her little pinky than both those bozos put together.

I also bet she could kick some Oprah butt in Tucker's (et) time slot. Which is also Oprah time on my local station.

Rosie, you go girl !

[shance]

55. From your keyboard to God's ears!

;)

[IWantAChange]

56. Sad when one has to go to the 'View' to hear someone question the Chimp.

The young girl belongs on Faux - I dont think I heard one original thought - and of course everything is Clinton's fault.

[stirlingsliver]

58. Rosie is Like Cindy

Rosie and Cindy Sheehan are two of my heros.

They both make the powerful uncomfortable.

They both speak the TRUTH TO POWER!

WE LOVE YOU ROSIE!!

Keep on speaking TRUTH to POWER!!!

[Solo_in_MD]

59. Rosie - A legend in her own mind

I will don't apologize that I perceive her as deleterious to our long term goals. Best described as loud, abrasive, obnoxious and often wrong. She reminds me of the so called celebrities who would be on the Love Boat and Hollywood Squares just so people would see their names about once a year. Her spat with Donald Trump gave her the most media attention she has had in years. No one takes The View seriously, and rightly so.

Popular Mechanics, that dreaded right wing publication has pretty debunked her theories on Bldg 7
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/4213805.html

Put her on a pedestal if you choose to, but don't be surprised when some of us don't share your adulation and choose derision instead.

[libnnc]

63. I'm not the least bit surprised

that you choose to deride a loud mouthed woman who speaks her mind.

Doesn't surprise me one bit.

[mitchtv]

75. Me neither

[Solo_in_MD]

110. I did not bring up gender, why do you?

I don't think it has any bearing on her idiocy

[libnnc]

119. I'm sorry. I guess I missed you calling Charlie Sheen and idiot.

Would you also characterize him as loudmouthed and obnoxious?

What about James Brolin? Is he a loudmouth because of what he thinks about 9/11?

Or do your characterizations only apply to Rosie?

[Solo_in_MD]

124. The thread was about Rosie

so I kept it there.

[Paladin]

131. Your Problem Is With Rosie's Pro-Gun Control Views

n/t

[Solo_in_MD]

147. I would disagree with her on Bldg 7 regardless of her stance on gun control

Its not truth to power when its nuts. Its not in your face when its wrong.

When a high profile person goes off the deep end, what they are high profile for suffers.

[spoony]

176. Technically, she's pro(your)gun control

She's fine with the ones her people carried around her family.

[spoony]

175. Those people are obnoxious loudmouths too, yes.

Especially Charlie Sheen.

[Name removed]

72. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[TheWatcher]

173. It really doesn't surprise me.

Not a bit. Nor will I lose sleep over it.

We'll just leave it at that.

Hopefully you'll be in a better mood when the next war starts.

I know it's painful to have to wait so long for something you want so bad, and I admire the patience you have shown.

Just a little longer.....

[spoony]

177. So someone doesn't join your Rosie fan club

and you call them a warmongering freeper. Nice.

[spoony]

174. I agree, loud doesn't equal brave

She is like a shotgun pelting everything in her line of sight. The one time she says something perceived to be full of delicious 9/11 conspiracy truthiness, people rush to build her a statue.

It's pretty bloody stupid. But, so is she.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

62. Recently on the View Rosie spoke out about our MSM.

She acted as if she just HAD to speak her mind. She told us if we wanted the truth, we'd have to look for our news "outside of the United States". She held up four fingers and explained that our news media is owned by FOUR COMPANIES. ..She was wonderful.

She even included ABC.

[greyghost]

66. That was PRICELESS! n/t

[stirlingsliver]

82. I Saw That Too.

I saw that, too.

Rosie was ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL.

We need more people like Rosie -- brave enough to speak up and make the powerful feel uncomfortable.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

64. Very encouraging.

A big ass :kick: and recommend!

[OneGrassRoot]

76. I have to ask, even though I am holding my breath ...

I have rarely read much about this subject on DU, mainly because it gets moved so quickly. I have, however, read a lot elsewhere.

I was looking for specific info last week and for the first time visited the 9/11 forum here.

Oh. My. Gosh. Unfrigginbelievable.

Here's my question that I've been dying to ask since perusing that forum for a few minutes last week:

Why such vehemence? I understand having differing opinions, but my goodness....why so - I can't even think of the word. But people are brutal and intolerant of discussion and downright vicious about this subject matter. And we're all essentially on the same side!!!

What gives?

(I understand that those who don't want to be labeled as conspiracy theorists shy away from this for fear that their other beliefs won't be taken seriously, but the anger toward those who try to intelligently discuss lingering questions goes beyond this...I don't get it)

[wildbilln864]

79. I think it's their ....

assignments! I believe that if someone truly didn't believe the stuff posted in the dungeon then they'd just ignore it and not spend every day trying to debunk any questioning. But they don't they monitor it constantly. It reminds me of someone hanging out at the asylum all the time trying to tell the patients they're crazy. :shrug:

[crappyjazz]

86. I think it's like most discussions on here

you get differing points of view but there sure is a lot of venom between those that don't share "eggsactly" the same one

[femrap]

133. My guess is that it is extremely

difficult for some people to believe that their own Government could be so EVIL. These folks need to go to the library and start reading about our nation's history and what we have done to other nations. We have so much blood and misery on our hands.

People are in total denial about this...they simply can't face the Truth. It would crush them.

[HamdenRice]

212. Here's your crucial flawed premise ...

You wrote:

But people are brutal and intolerant of discussion and downright vicious about this subject matter. And we're all essentially on the same side!!!

[OneGrassRoot]

214. Bingo...I'm learning that very quickly LOL n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

77. Being A Wacko Does Not A Hero Make. n/t

[butterfly77]

85. Sounds like Rosie touched a nerve...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

87. For Years... One Of The Most Annoying And Psychotic Characters I've Ever Seen.

I almost wish she wasn't a liberal so I wouldn't have to feel even the slightest bit of condonation towards her.

[Lex]

89. Any particular reason you feel this way?

nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

91. Of Course.

For as far back as I can remember I've loathed her, even back to her stand up days. Her shrill psychotic voice pierces straight through my brain. She's arrogant, delusional, bitchy, nasty, stubborn, shrill, obnoxious, ignorant, unfunny, childish, rude, bitter and loud. When I see her come across the tv I can't change the channel fast enough. Only one I think I can change it faster for is Dr.Phil.

[Lex]

100. Proof that our own experiences shape our personal opinions.

I don't feel that she's any of those things.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

121. True. Experiences And Perceptions Though.

This might be more perceptual than experience based; since our exposure to her in many ways has probably been similar throughout her career; but it's more the perception of what we've seen and heard that has shaped our like/dislike for her.

But sure, experience/perception is responsible for just about every opinion someone can have, with the last component being simply based on faith/trust.

[Lex]

130. Perception is directly shaped by prior experiences.

Perception and experience aren't interchangeable, imho.

Your perception of events or people largely come about because of prior experiences, or to some degree because of what others have conveyed to you about their experiences.

[coznfx]

169. But ... millions of people

DO really like her. Her statements on The View may be exactly what it takes for tens of thousands of her fans to loosen their grip on the 'official' 9/11 pantload and start wondering about some of the things that Rosie is talking about.

[crappyjazz]

90. I think a lot of people

male and female, don't like loud, outspoken women

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

95. Outspoken? Don't Care. Woman? Don't Care.

Arrogant, delusional, bitchy, nasty, stubborn, shrill, obnoxious, ignorant, unfunny, childish, rude, bitter, loud and a voice so shrill it pierces straight through my brain? I care.

[tridim]

113. You obviously didn't watch the video in question..

Because she was none of those things.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

118. What In The World Are You Talking About?

I never said a thing about any video and I find myself perplexed that you referenced my description above as having pertained to such.

I thought it had been obvious that my utter dislike of her goes far deeper than one silly video. My opinion of her is forged from years and years of her character; not just one video.

[crappyjazz]

116. I don't see that

at all

i see funny, warm, generous, kind, honest and many other positive things

people post on her blog to tell her how much they hate her and others post how much they love her ... to each his own and the remote is somewhere in the couch to help deal with the choice :)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

120. You're Entitled To See Her As You Do.

Though I scratch my head sometimes as to how someone can like her so much as some do here, when I find her all around to be just so utterly disgusting of a person, I also realize that those that do like her probably scratch their heads equally as to how others can loathe her. So it's all good. :)

[crappyjazz]

123. Yep

my partner doesn't really enjoy her

we have two tvs :)

[sniffa]

184. .

[Codeine]

148. OH GAWD, could you just stuff that crap?!

Not liking Rosie does not, IN ANY GOD-DAMNED FASHION, make one a sexist or intolerant of outspoken women! Can I make that more clear?! :mad: Men and women are equally capable of being complete dumbfucks, and calling a woman on it doesn't make me, or MINDCRIME, or anybody else, a sexist.

Irrespective of Rosie's gender I find her to be a complete jackass, devoid of any redeeming character traits whatsoever. She's unfunny, uninteresting, and judging from this latest tripe, unversed in critical thinking. She's a loudmouthed moron, and I resent that people who dislike her are being labeled as sexist. I also dislike Condi Rice -- does that make me a RACIST sexist? :eyes:

And yes, I feel the same way about dipshit Sheen and anybody else who buys into this 9/11 conspiracy baloney.

[wildbilln864]

154. And I feel the same...

about those who believe and support the goddamned bullshit Bush/PNAC CT! :mad:

The Incredible Conspiracy Theory

[Codeine]

156. And you're free to do so.

And I won't even imply that you are a sexist for having that opinion. Of course, I'd appreciate the same in return.

[crappyjazz]

218. I said some people

maybe not you, or the other person, but some ... it was an observation and one I stick to in some circumstances, not all though

so no, I won't "stuff" that "crap", but thanks for the kind suggestion

[Puglover]

181. Wow!

Your post is SPOT on.

It describes EXACTLY how I feel about you! :hi:

[sniffa]

183. ...

:rofl:

[Colobo]

146. I'm with you MindCrime!

[crappyjazz]

84. She does have courage

and the hutzpuh to say what's on her mind, in front of a camera without fear

I've always been a fan, but since she's been speaking out on political issues, I'm even more of one

[erpowers]

93. She is Courageous

She is very courageous to be speaking up and asking questions. I do not agree with all she is saying, but at least she has the courage to ask questions and push our leaders to ask questions. I think the Iranians may be wrong in holding the British saliors and marines, but she has a right to think what she wants. From what I heard the Iranians at first admitted that the saliors and marines were a position that put them in Iraqi waters. According to Blair the coordinates that Iran put out were in Iraqi waters.

[Lilith Velkor]

96. Rosie O'Dumbass can kiss my ching-chong ding-dong

[Lex]

101. Donald, is that you?

:rofl:

[Lilith Velkor]

135. Oh right, my mistake, racial slurs are OK if they come from Rosie.

:eyes:

[Lex]

140. She explained and apologized numerous times..

Would you like to shoot her as well? :eyes:

[Codeine]

149. Apologizing makes her less of a dumbfuck? nt

[Lex]

150. You would be in a better position to answer that question. nt

[Codeine]

153. Sweet.

I express an opinion about someone's racist bilge and I get a snide insult in return. So you're okay with "ching-chong ching-chong" then?

[Lex]

158. Childish and stupid

is what she admitted to being when she said that. I agree with her about that.

[Codeine]

159. Racist and privileged is more like it.

And I see you didn't address your snide insult to me.

[Lex]

160. Not everyone agrees with that

but I can see why some would certainly think that.

[Lilith Velkor]

170. I don't care, and no.

Racist assholery is not cool, but it's no reason to shoot somebody. If you find yourself sliding into that mindset, I strongly suggest relocating to a less densely populated area, and if you already have, well, you need to relieve yourself more often or something...

[spoony]

178. If Michael Richards questions 9/11

Will people here say the same thing? Is all forgiven and forgotten once someone decides to ensconce themselves in foil and declare that they know better than engineers too?

[prolesunited]

138. So do you just want to call names

or address any relevant issues she may have raised?

[Lilith Velkor]

168. She has not raised any relevant issues

Grass is green, water is wet, the government lies about everything, and Rosie O' Donnell is an unfunny blowhard.

And a dumbfuck. An asshole, too. I really like calling her names.

Don't Hate Me Because I'm Happy! :)

[Marie26]

99. Go Rosie

I don't agree w/everything she's saying, but it's so nice to see someone actually speaking their mind. Rosie won't shut up & won't back down, and that's what really drives O'Reilly & co. crazy.

[midnight]

102. I agree with you. I have only heard/seen a few episodes of Rosie

on the View,but I was thinking that she is asking what our media should be aksing. Isn't it time for impeachment? What more has to happen. She said this, and for putting herself on the line like that-she is a heroic women.

[MasonJar]

103. Personally although I found Rosie very credible and this Liz person

idiotic, I cannot stand all that yelling. It is counterproductive.

[butterfly77]

107. Um... seems like there are a lot of trolls...

who have been posting on these boards lately, maybe they are trying to change some minds in bushy's direction and I don't mean necessarily on this topic...

[tridim]

114. It's always the same half-dozen or so..

Their goal is to ruin every 9/11 thread.

I usually just laugh at them and ignore.

[Codeine]

155. Oh yeah, that's totally it!

We dislike Rosie's idiotic blather and suddenly we're BushBots! Maybe you could pull the old PAID SHILL!! card out -- make this a real old-fashioned 9/11 thread.

I'm fucking sick to death of any dissenting opinion immediately bringing up the accusations of closet Freeperism. There are rules against that at DU, BTW.

[spoony]

242. Gotcha, I'll look for anyone who disagrees with you

type up a list and send it to DU admins to take the appropriate action! :sarcasm:

[Terri S]

108. I think people throw the title 'hero' around a bit too easily

Rosie is an outspoken woman, and I applaud her for that. Heroes are .. gee, I don't know, firemen who put their lives on the line day in and day out... people who ran into the Twin Towers to get people out, a man who throws himself onto the tracks to save a man with a subway barrelling down on them.. THAT's heroic.

This is.. well, citizenship. It's free speech. In a country so awash in sheep, this seems extraordinary, and all too often it is. But heroic? Sorry... I think that demeans real heroism. But that's just me.

[wildbilln864]

112. Well said Terri, I agree...

Citizenship it is! Thank you Rosie for being a good citizen and speaking out for real heros who are as we type risking their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan over lies and 911 as a provocation! :patriot:

[Colobo]

144. Good post. Rosie is as much of a hero as Donald Trump is.

[Politicub]

109. Rosie is awesome

And listen to the audience reaction to the points she's making! It's a new day in America, and the truth is finally seeing the light of day.

[drmom]

117. As a suburban housewife, I can see Rosie's influence everyday...

...waiting to pick the kids up at school, at soccer games, etc. Many of the moms I talk to have been opened up to politics and the harm of the current administration by Rosie being on The View. I'm thrilled that she has the courage to open up these issues that everyone else seems afraid to touch. She is doing what all American's are supposed to do!

[Iceburg]

134. K&R: Rosie is bringing the truth of 911 to the masses. I applaud her /nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

229. that IS good news

so glad to hear that she is reaching people, in spite of what Orelly says.

She is a geniuine type of person.

[Seldona]

115. Really says a lot about our media.

Rosie held her own. I will give her that. But the MSM in this country resembles the sorority girl's responses more than Rosie's. I got a flashback to the interview with Brittney talking about how we should all just trust Bush and support whatever he wants to do. Umm like, whatever.

[scarletwoman]

125. It shouldn't be "heroic" to simply raise questions & offer opinions outside conventional wisdom.

The fact that the exercise of a Bill of Rights enumerated & Constitutionally protected RIGHT is considered "heroism" is a sad commentary on the state of our collective civic consciousness.

I never used to particularily like Rosie O'Donnell, but mostly I just didn't pay any attention to her. She was just another "celebrity", and I have zero interest in the whole U.S.Aian cultural obsession with "celebrities".

I thought it was cool when she came out, and I was delighted to see that she was handily returning fire and prevailing over all the bigots and critics attacking her. I began to consider that there might actually be some "there" there in her character. I've always found it to be a joyful event when a "celebrity" appears to actually have a soul and a conscience, and sufficient intelligence to communicate something about these things.

So, I respected her more, but still didn't pay much attention until I heard about her being brought on to The View. I actually used to watch The View when it first started out, mostly because I was unemployed and therefore at home and there wasn't anything else on except game shows or soap operas.

I hadn't watched The View in many years by the time Rosie joined. I had long ago stopped tuning in, even when I happened to home during its broadcast time, because it had just gotten so nauseatingly shallow and irrelevant.

My current work schedule gives me Fridays off, but it's only in the last 2-3 months that I started turning on The View (it's on at 10am weekdays in my area -- I only have broadcast TV, no cable) just to see how it was going with Rosie on board.

Kinda blew me away. I found myself REALLY liking her! Not that she didn't make me wince every once in while as well -- but who among us has NOT said some totally stupid stuff in front of other people?

Anyway, I appreciate Rosie. I want her to do well and to speak well. She is taking on a huge responsibility by being so outspoken. Someone with as visible a public platform as she has been afforded is taking alot upon herself, and therefore, it is to be devoutly hoped that she remembers that she is speaking for multitudes of us who do not have the privilege of her platform. This cannot be about her own ego.

I most sincerely wish her well.

sw

[shance]

137. Great points Scarlet. Glad to see ya.

Hoping all is well with you and thanks for posting.

[scarletwoman]

142. Hey, shance! I'm really glad you posted this! Hope all is well with you, too!

:hi:

sw

[SaveAmerica]

127. I am so glad to see this thread stay here and (for the most part)

remain a civilized discussion on the subject. This is the example that Rosie set when she made her point calmly. This is for DU :applause: :applause: (this doesn't mean that she's right or wrong, but the discussion needs to happen, and whether she's right or wrong, don't we want to know everything about what happened? If you have nothing to hide, you should have no problem with questioning (ha, ha, nice to see that one come back to bite some in the butt!!)

A special service announcements for freepers; scientists have been able to track freeper movement like the rise and fall of the tides. You are helping them when your avatars are so recognizable, your user names stand out like a sore thumb, and your signatures are hard to forget. You need to do a better job at camouflage.

[Madspirit]

132. I LOVE Rosie...n/t

[tlsmith1963]

139. They Are Slamming Her on Scarborough

But you know what? I wonder about 9/11, too. A lot of people wonder. Rosie isn't just some lone "nutjob".

[Colobo]

145. I respect her opinion, but

I don't believe in conspiracy theories.

[wildbilln864]

157. Um, yes you do!

There's no alternative.
:hi:

[HamdenRice]

191. How true. Iran-Contra in fact never happened

BCCI never happened, Watergate had nothing to do with the Committee to Re-Elect Nixon, and there was no contra-cocaine connection.

That's because there has never been a conspiracy and that's a good reason not to believe in them.

[kerstin]

161. Rosie is risking more than her career

by publicly questioning the official 9/11 myth.

As informed as she is, I'm sure she knows this.

That's a hero in my book.

[spoony]

179. Yep, just the other day I heard that Rove put a hit on Charlie Sheen.

And the 9/11 forum is rife with the obituaries of assassinated fellow truth-seekers. Lol.

[The Count]

205. Heh-heh - yet somehow Sheen is less heroic that "I love Bush - he throws balls" Rosie

Is anyone bothered of her constantly switching targets?

[ClusterFreak]

162. PNAC talked about how their objectives would be facilitated...

...by a modern day Pearl Harbor, did they not? It was along those lines anyway. Well, they got it. And now we're supposed to just move along because there's nothing to see here, folks?

Rosie can be an aggravatingly overbearing, conversation monopolizing loudmouth on The View....but she's got onions bigger than anyone else in the Fourth Estate these days.

That alone is enough reason to wildly applaud her for speaking out.

[The Count]

206. Yeah, cuz Rosie uncovered PNAC...uh, wait, that was Clark - but he's not as heroic

as poor little Rosie!

[Bluedogvoter]

164. Heroic?

She is far from deserving of that term.

[Auggie]

186. That took guts to criticize her own network. She could be fired.

[CJCRANE]

189. I can't confirm this right now

but I'm sure I read somewhere today that her contract is up for renewal for $40 million per year!

[Auggie]

190. $40 million? That's the excuse they could use not to renew her

[The Count]

210. And after roping enough of you schmucks to watch her show, it'll double too!

She read the Olberman numbers - she's going for the same (only less astute) audience.

[The Count]

209. Ya mean like Dildo Really got fired by Faux for criticizing their OJ interview?

Oh, wait, that turned out to be a Murdoch publicity stunt to hype that show. But ABC wouldn't go that low, right? RIGHT????

[mondo joe]

219. Fired? I don't think she's living paycheck to paycheck.

I don't think she's at much risk.

[shance]

220. Mondo, have you heard of the saying "the higher you rise the harder you fall"?

I think that is why there aren't as many jumping to her side because of what they fear losing.

That is why this takes courage and conviction.

Rosie will be fine.

She's talented, she's smart and more than anything, unlike the very bullying, unstable Mr. O Reilly, she is loved by so many.

[Imagevision]

166. Anyone in DU not aware of the fact wtc7 was pulled down??

[Rosa Luxemburg]

208. who pulled it down?

Guiliani (that should knock him off 08 campaign?)

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

230. Larry Silverstein, the owner said "pull it"

he made a good amount of money on those buildings.

He recently purchased them and had only paid part of the loan.

He insured them for a ginormous amount of money and made a gigantic profit.

Building 7 had lots of impt IRS records and investigations that were not available
to other buildings or officies.

So alot of stuff was disappeared there.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

236. thats's very interesting!

I wonder how one could prove that he was involved?

[CGowen]

172. DU seems to be different

Other right leaning blogs have been hammering at O'Donnell for weeks, while most popular Democratic blogs have steered clear of the topic almost entirely


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Rosie_pledges_allegiance_to_seeking_911_0402.html

[The Count]

192. Maybe because on 9.11 she was enamored of Bush, she tends to do publicity stunts

and hurt the causes she advocates (as in her disgusting sparring with Tom Selleck where she lost points for gun control by making Selleck look like a gentleman). DU needs to be a bit more selective with their "heroes" She almost reminds me of Bev - her blowback is larger than her direct effect.
The post comparing her to Cindy Sheehan made me hit the ceiling!

[Solo_in_MD]

195. HERESY!!!!!

Actually your view point mirrors mine. We don't need to give the rest of the world any more excuses to paint us as wingnuts, and Rosie does. Her style outweighs her substance. The damage she does overwhelms what good she accomplishes.

I saw where there was a response to the controversy on Bldg 7. She posted a couple of whiny paragraphs about how dissent is not taken well in this country and she is not allowing comments.

I am beginning to think her actions are those of a formerly well known entertainer looking to regain the spotlight at any cost, but it is we who are paying the cost, not her. Publicity stunts have always been pretty craven in my book.

[CGowen]

196. I don't think she is doing a publicity stunt

She knows very well that she probably will lose her job.


In the meantime she has to hear from O'Reilly or Scarborough calls for firing her, while distorting what she says.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZGbfx6GvbQ

Two extraordinary people

"Conservative MSNBC news host Joe Scarborough was a guest on MSNBC's Imus show last Thursday, May 29. In complementing Scarborough on his sense of humor, Imus said, 'Don't be afraid to be funny, because you are funny. I asked you why you aren't in Congress. You said that you had sex with the intern and then you had to kill her.' To which Scarborough laughed, 'Yeah, ha, ha ha, well, what are you gonna do?'
http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Joe%20Scarborough

Representative Joseph Scarborough felt he had done exceptional work to place George Bush in office.<4.49> A Scarborough associate, Dennis Gilson, said that Scarborough might be rewarded with a cabinet post in the Bush Administration, suggesting that the work was exceptional indeed.<4.50> Scarborough's district included Escambia County in which voting machines in African American precincts showed astonishing rates of ballot spoilage of 10% and up - this in a county where the average rate of spoilage was 3.6%.
http://www.failureisimpossible.com/ElectionStudies/FAQ.htm

Rosie O'Donnell, currently under attack after she questioned the official story behind 9/11, has revealed that Fox News bully Bill O'Reilly threatened to "go after" her and her colleagues after they mentioned O'Reilly's sex scandal on The View.

ABC has now gagged O'Donnell from mentioning the subject on all future broadcasts.
http://digg.com/politics/O_Reilly_Mafia_Threatens_ODonnell_Over_Sex_Scandal

[The Count]

203. She won't lose her job - ratings are up. First she went on Nip/Tuck, then she

wrestled some actor on the floor, then came the Trump shameful episode - now she is trying to emulate Olberman - but in her low life style. I may have missed the horrible racial incident (Ch- chung) for which she refused to apologize initially, then she did on her blog. There was also some other incident where she outed a young actor under the guise of defending him Well, she certainly got her blog in the spotlight - and I assure you, her job is NOT in any jeopardy - Baba Wawa was gloating about the whole Trump mud wresling and is happy now too.
Please stop comparing her with Cindy Sheehan or any person who believes in what they say/do. And let's keep the world hero for self sacrifice for another rather than boosting the ratings for the View.

[drmom]

217. Please back up your statement with something...

...I've been closely following Rosie for years, and I never remember her "enamored" of Bush.

[Solo_in_MD]

193. At DU, even our own are not protected from criticism, especially when they are embarrassing

the movement. As I wrote in an earlier post on this thread...

Its not truth to power when its nuts. Its not in your face when its wrong.

When a high profile person goes off the deep end, what they are high profile for suffers.

[The Count]

204. Exactly. Code Pink was attacked - but I guess they're not as heroic as Rosie...

I had my qualms with Code Pink's timing/target - but I admire THEM, and I think Rosie is a fraud.

[Solo_in_MD]

215. The Pink Pistols are another group that does not get a lot of love

[Imagevision]

216. Just Google> WTC7 pulldown -

[Kurovski]

221. Thank you to good citizen Rosie.

:thumbsup:

[Dakini23]

222. rosie letter

My Mom sent Rosie O'Donnell an envelope today which included a letter, thanking Rosie for all that she is doing to raise awareness about the truth about 9/11. She went to the post office to mail it and she noticed that they put her envelope in a seperate pile from the other mail, different from the pile of the customer before her and the customer right after her.
The postal clerk made a comment to my mother as she was mailing it, "Oh, you're sending something to Rosie, huh?"
My mom said she got this weird feeling. She's not a paranoid person by nature, but when she got home, she asked me if I thought maybe the mail to Rosie was being closely looked at or held back?
It might just be a coincidence. I hope the letter gets to Rosie, but I kinda doubt it, now.
I hope Rosie isn't being targeted by the government, I just don't trust them anymore.

[Kurovski]

223. Was it out of state? It could have been seperated because of that.(nt)

[shance]

224. Interesting.

As someone who has had some of my mail opened, this is not surprising at all.

Yes, I'm sure Rosie is being targeted by the bullies, and that's all they are.

Paranoid, mean spirited controlling bullies.

Thank you for posting. It certainly would not be out of line for your mother to directly put the Postal worker on the spot and ask with a smile why her letter went into a different pile.

Another idea is to your yourself go to the Post office with a thank you letter to Rosie and see what they do with it. If they do something stop them directly and ask them what they are doing.

Also get another friend to send one as well, or friends. See how many letters are put in separate piles.

Lets don't let them get away with wrongdoing without confrontation and/or letting them know we know. Take their names as well. Get their postal employment number. Our instincts are there for a reason.

[wildbilln864]

225. Kick....

for Rosie!
:hi:

[cooolandrew]

233. Excellent to see this still up here. Saw that clip...

... she was outstanding. She needs all the encouragement we can give her, she's demonstrating what America is really all about. More power to her.

[shance]

235. Thanks for helping to keep it here Andrew

:toast:

[NotGivingUp]

234. Thank you, Rosie! You are great! n/t

[greyl]

237. World Trade Center Building 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 “Truth Movement” - Mark Roberts

Word doc

If you'd like to quickly learn 100 times more than Rosie apparently does about WTC 7:

JREF forum thread
NY Times
911myths.com
Debunking911.com

shance: Not ALL the differing stories can be authentic, but several might be. Don't throw out the entire batch without more research. Not good science. Exploring different ideas is very American. It took Edison a thousand different filaments to bring his bulb to life.

Then again, some people will still prefer to live in the dark, no matter what.

[wildbilln864]

240. Kick for Rosie! n/t

[DemReadingDU]

241. another kick for Rosie