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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 12:54 PM
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Scott Horton: "That Article 17 Problem"
That Article 17 Problem

By Scott Horton - April 29, 2009, 4:06PM

Today it looks like the international interest in prosecuting the Bush lawyers is heating up once again. The Spanish central criminal court has apparently decided, notwithstanding the Spanish attorney general's intervention, that it will charge forward in the case against the Bush Six. Indeed, it seems to be reading all the documents that come out of Washington as they break, because the investigating magistrate has expanded his case to take into account and he opinion reflects special attention to the OLC memoranda and to the Senate Intelligence Committee's play-by-play recounting of the steps involved in the creation of the OLC memos. At the same time, Judge Jay Bybee, who has kept quiet up to this point, has decided to answer a series of questions put to him by the New York Times. He wrote those opinions in good faith, he insists to the paper of record. He holds to the same views today.

My, Jay Bybee sounds an awful lot like his fellow memo writer, John Yoo. No apologies. Not even an "oops, I must have missed that case."

But there's a reason for all this. Jay Bybee and John Yoo are both good enough lawyers to realize that their best defense to the criminal charges that are now hurdling their way (first from Madrid, but perhaps from Washington a little later) is to argue "good faith." Namely, they must insist that the memos reflect their best effort at legal analysis and the views staked out in the memos are views they honestly reflect. And this is a point that civil debate will almost immediately concede to them.

Let me go on record. I consider this "good faith" defense to be a sure looser. Why? Neither Bybee nor Yoo is an incompetent lawyer. But these memos are legally, professionally incompetent. And there is a reason why. Bybee and Yoo strained to give their friends in the White House (and the CIA) "clean opinions," unencumbered by a real discussion of the law. So even the 1983 Reagan administration waterboarding prosecution is suppressed, not to mention the long list of earlier cases (some of them meting out capital punishment to the offenders--something you think the reader might want to know, right?) Did Bybee and Yoo just miss this? Did the Department of Justice forget to pay its Lexis bills? Were all those volumes of case reports just checked out of the library? Fat chance.

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http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/29/that_article_17_problem/
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 01:03 PM
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1. "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war
FYI ...Article 17 says, "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war,"
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 01:14 PM
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2. Was this before or after Bushco decided the 'unlawful combatants'
were NOT prisoners of war (regardless of what the Geneva conventions say)?
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 01:19 PM
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4. He can't hide behind anything, timeline shows memo's written afterwards
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 01:36 PM
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6. a minor detail...
Edited on Thu Apr-30-09 01:36 PM by mod mom
:sarcasm:

Thanks for the link to the timeline! :hi:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 01:18 PM
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3. Wasn't this the guy who said the GOP are blackmailing Obama
regarding the torture memos?

This is actually a good piece, but the ridiculous "blackmail" one makes me want to disregard most of what he writes now.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 01:33 PM
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5. The "blackmail" referred to threats to derail key nominations
Senate Republicans are now privately threatening to derail the confirmation of key Obama administration nominees for top legal positions by linking the votes to suppressing critical torture memos from the Bush era.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-05/are-republicans-blackmailing-obama/full/

Scott Horton is a highly regarded atty/journalist for Harpers, whose coverage of the Governor Don Siegelman political prosecution is top notch!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:54 PM
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7. IOW, not blackmail, but holding hostage. nt
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